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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 11:44:08 GMT
UK & Europe apparently still negotiating about fish and don't forget the potatoes either...
'So that's thirteen cod and chips...' 'I want plaice. And I don't want any of your nasty, soggy chips. I want mine - crisp, und light brown.'
(Which as any 'Doctor Who' fan who knows their guest stars should know, is the from the second most famous show in which Philip Madoc played the villain! ) Wonderful! Don't tell him, Pike
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Post by number13 on Dec 24, 2020 11:58:59 GMT
UK & Europe apparently still negotiating about fish and don't forget the potatoes either...
'So that's thirteen cod and chips...' 'I want plaice. And I don't want any of your nasty, soggy chips. I want mine - crisp, und light brown.'
(Which as any 'Doctor Who' fan who knows their guest stars should know, is the from the second most famous show in which Philip Madoc played the villain! ) Wonderful! Don't tell him, Pike 'Your name will also go on the list' (of 'Dad's Army' fans! )
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 13:58:39 GMT
Oh the suspense and excitement. It's time...
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Post by number13 on Dec 24, 2020 14:51:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 15:09:51 GMT
You beat me to it by 17 minutes! Whatever one's views of Brexit, surely most would agree a deal is better than no deal. Happy Christmas.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 24, 2020 15:37:07 GMT
Oh thank god for that.
Sounds like a big old fudge around fishing. And who knows what other surprises are lurking in this 2,000 page treatise. But a deal’s a deal. Now to the hope the militant ERG don’t sink this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 15:42:54 GMT
Oh thank god for that. Sounds like a big old fudge around fishing. And who knows what other surprises are lurking in this 2,000 page treatise. But a deal’s a deal. Now to the hope the militant ERG don’t sink this. Indeed. Hopefully, the ERG's determined militancy won't make too much of a difference ...
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 24, 2020 16:35:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 16:38:14 GMT
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Post by The Brigadier on Dec 24, 2020 16:41:52 GMT
While my natural cynicism...
..makes me question the timing of this announcement for BOTH SIDES and the small amount of time it gives the parliamentary bodies on either side of the channel to scrutinise the deal..
..makes me question the timing of this announcement for a government that have waved the threat of 'no deal' in our faces and that we can "prosper mightily" on WTO terms, has by it's own low standards a spectacularly bad week (Operation Brock - the traffic management system that somehow forgot that the hauliers stranded on this side might need the basics - food, water, washing and toileting facilities to carry on operating..the five day Christmas window that turned into just one day within mere days of the 25th despite earlier warnings in the month, swathes of the country locked down in all but name for the festive season, COVID and it's variant offspring and the alarming rise in cases and deaths).. and suddenly on CHRISTMAS EVE concludes a deal..
..really, really makes me question whether we have "taken back control of our money, borders, laws, trade and fishing waters" when we have had a year of overpromises being massively underdelivered (Remember Test and Trace? That thing we pumped millions into and is now only mentioned in lowered voices in the darkest corners of the country? It was going to be "world beating". In hindsight we should have asked which end of the scale they were aiming for..)..
..I'm actually hugely relieved that a deal has been done.
But...the devil is in the details and in the days to come I suspect we'll find out exactly what those details are. If it does turn out to be a great deal that benefits England and Scotland and Wales and Northern Ireland more than EU membership did then I'll offer my congratulations, admit my cynicism was unjustified and concede the Brexiteers and Leave voters were right all along.
And if it doesn't out to be a great deal? Then sadly I'll continue to be justified in my belief that Brexit is nothing more than a massive act of self inflicted harm.
I look forward to being proved wrong.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 24, 2020 17:27:27 GMT
Labour supporting the deal should render the ERG irrelevant.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 24, 2020 18:11:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 20:46:52 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Dec 29, 2020 13:59:02 GMT
If anyone feels like some light reading, this is the bill which will likely sail through Parliament tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 10:27:35 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 13:54:23 GMT
How the mighty have fallen... We should be calling for sanctions against Erdoğan's thuggish regime not taking his hand. His treatment of the Kurds, the relationship with Putin, the treatment of the press, the blocking of swathes of the internet that speak against the Government or even mention it like Youtube and Wikipedia, the mass corruption... Funny that all of these and more have been cited as reasons why the EU refuse to go any further in considering Turkey's membership application. We had what they wanted and more...and just tossed it away. Now they're the first deal we can get. Two outsiders at opposite ends of Europe. One desperate to get in, one who spent 4 years deciding how to get out. Neither with very bright futures...
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Post by sherlock on Dec 30, 2020 14:57:40 GMT
Commons has passed the necessary bill to ratify the deal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2020 18:02:48 GMT
62nd free trade deal. Continuity agreement (as with most) in respect of existing EU-Turkey Customs Union. Because of this pre-existing Customs Union, the deal could not be signed until the Brexit Deal was finalised, hence why it is the first post deal signing. Deal with Turkey is the fifth biggest negotiated so far and trade between the two countries was worth £18.6bn in 2019. Agreement replicates that which pre-exists with the EU-Turkey, so UK is not sticking its neck out with respect to Ethics and Human Rights. EU objections were to Turkey joining EU, not trade agreements. Seems quite business-like to me and uncontroversial. I cannot see how some may deem it to be an undignified scramble for 'a deal, any deal', etc. There is no logic that such deals can be construed a failure of Brexit, or a negative point to score.
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Post by number13 on Dec 30, 2020 21:18:32 GMT
How the mighty have fallen... We should be calling for sanctions against Erdoğan's thuggish regime not taking his hand. His treatment of the Kurds, the relationship with Putin, the treatment of the press, the blocking of swathes of the internet that speak against the Government or even mention it like Youtube and Wikipedia, the mass corruption... Funny that all of these and more have been cited as reasons why the EU refuse to go any further in considering Turkey's membership application. We had what they wanted and more...and just tossed it away. Now they're the first deal we can get. Two outsiders at opposite ends of Europe. One desperate to get in, one who spent 4 years deciding how to get out. Neither with very bright futures... Davy, the UK (as an EU member state) already had a trade deal with them via the EU. This deal continues what we would otherwise have lost. Any state joining the EU in future will of course also be part of the EU-Turkey deal.
I don't disagree with anything else of what you say, but on those grounds we would trade with about 10 countries outside of Europe. And some of the countries in Europe would be highly suspect!
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Post by sherlock on Dec 30, 2020 23:30:07 GMT
All that remains is for the Queen to sign on the dotted line. And then it’s done.
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