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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 18, 2020 20:01:27 GMT
My thought on the holo-versions of the Captain is that after being betrayed by everything he holds dear, the only person the Captain felt he could trust was himself.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 19, 2020 18:57:04 GMT
Episode 9. At least stuff is happening. I have thought for several weeks now that we will see The Borg before this current series ends...and not the Borg we've already seen.
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Post by pazzer on Mar 20, 2020 5:31:10 GMT
Best episode so far. A real villain and for the first time it feels like Trek.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2020 17:02:47 GMT
Defintely a great episode . there is something truly cinematic though about Jeri Ryan she just really lights up the screen when she appears.More of her please. And the first episode that didn’t have any graphic violence in it surely or i did I miss something apart from the {Spoiler} Android eye
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 22, 2020 19:43:56 GMT
Definitely liked this. I actually did not even notice the time passing because this was just so captivating.
They are doing a great job wrapping this up and there is now a sense of dread and urgency. And we have some great villains who do not act out of evil, but because they are desperate and see no other way out.
I am very excited for next week. Although I fear not everything will be solved in the final episode but carried across to the second season. One thing for sure- the best character coming out of this series is definitely Seven. I cannot even remember her ever been this awesome in Voyager. And I definitely enjoyed Picard uttering the words "This will be a sure way of p*ssing me off." That was truly great.
And I agree with causality- the near lack of graphic violence was a real relief.
However, I fear they just saved all the multicoloured blood for next weeks gore-fest.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 26, 2020 16:31:29 GMT
At best 6 episodes worth of story spread out over 10 episodes. For everything I liked in this final episode there were several things that made me groan. I really believe this first season was a total mess. That said, Riker commanding a star ship and being just generally baddass was almost enough to salvage anything negative. Almost. I'm glad I was wrong about the Borg showing up but what the hell was with the species they were calling? Like mechanical versions of something out of Lovecraft. I had mentioned to David early on in conversation that I wondered if all this talk of a second season of Picard was some kind of fake-out and would they kill him off to close the series. I guess I was kind of right but the writing was on the wall as soon as they mentioned the golem. Rafi continues to strike me as the most underwritten and badly drawn character in all of Trek....so of course at the last second they had to also have her & Annika become lovers. My hope for season two, besides a more focused method of storytelling, is that I never hear Rafi refer to Picard as JL ever again. In summation, I walked into this wanting to love it and I'm left wondering if I will bother with season two.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 16:38:32 GMT
At best 6 episodes worth of story spread out over 10 episodes. For everything I liked in this final episode there were several things that made me groan. I really believe this first season was a total mess. That said, Riker commanding a star ship and being just generally baddass was almost enough to salvage anything negative. Almost. I'm glad I was wrong about the Borg showing up but what the hell was with the species they were calling? Like mechanical versions of something out of Lovecraft. I had mentioned to David early on in conversation that I wondered if all this talk of a second season of Picard was some kind of fake-out and would they kill him off to close the series. I guess I was kind of right but the writing was on the wall as soon as they mentioned the golem. Rafi continues to strike me as the most underwritten and badly drawn character in all of Trek....so of course at the last second they had to also have her & Annika become lovers. My hope for season two, besides a more focused method of storytelling, is that I never hear Rafi refer to Picard as JL ever again. In summation, I walked into this wanting to love it and I'm left wondering if I will bother with season two. I was kinda stunned by the ending. They appear to have created a show almost entirely built on the premise of giving Data a better "death". I'm not even gonna bother with the big review of this - it's not worth it. If they couldn't even be bothered creating different CGI ships for the fleet, something DS9 did over 20 years ago, then I'm not gonna bother wasting my time poring over the wreckage.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2020 17:10:20 GMT
At best 6 episodes worth of story spread out over 10 episodes. For everything I liked in this final episode there were several things that made me groan. I really believe this first season was a total mess. That said, Riker commanding a star ship and being just generally baddass was almost enough to salvage anything negative. Almost. I'm glad I was wrong about the Borg showing up but what the hell was with the species they were calling? Like mechanical versions of something out of Lovecraft. I had mentioned to David early on in conversation that I wondered if all this talk of a second season of Picard was some kind of fake-out and would they kill him off to close the series. I guess I was kind of right but the writing was on the wall as soon as they mentioned the golem. Rafi continues to strike me as the most underwritten and badly drawn character in all of Trek....so of course at the last second they had to also have her & Annika become lovers. My hope for season two, besides a more focused method of storytelling, is that I never hear Rafi refer to Picard as JL ever again. In summation, I walked into this wanting to love it and I'm left wondering if I will bother with season two. I was kinda stunned by the ending. They appear to have created a show almost entirely built on the premise of giving Data a better "death". I'm not even gonna bother with the big review of this - it's not worth it. If they couldn't even be bothered creating different CGI ships for the fleet, something DS9 did over 20 years ago, then I'm not gonna bother wasting my time poring over the wreckage. Thanks to both you and Audio Watchdog for the heads up - I've stayed until the bitter end with this series so I will watch the final episode in the next few days..maybe..but going on what you have both said (or more accurately not said..) I find myself wondering yet again how the writers and producers of this show could have squandered the goodwill generated, the potential for great storytelling and the legacy of TNG and Roddenberry's original vision so badly.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 26, 2020 17:38:26 GMT
I was kinda stunned by the ending. They appear to have created a show almost entirely built on the premise of giving Data a better "death". I'm not even gonna bother with the big review of this - it's not worth it. If they couldn't even be bothered creating different CGI ships for the fleet, something DS9 did over 20 years ago, then I'm not gonna bother wasting my time poring over the wreckage. Thanks to both you and Audio Watchdog for the heads up - I've stayed until the bitter end with this series so I will watch the final episode in the next few days..maybe..but going on what you have both said (or more accurately not said..) I find myself wondering yet again how the writers and producers of this show could have squandered the goodwill generated, the potential for great storytelling and the legacy of TNG and Roddenberry's original vision so badly. It's funny you mention Roddenberry's vision because in the end I do think the show stakes a claim to that. It's not done effectively and the storytelling really is a mess but it does end with a message of hope and tolerance and diversity.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 27, 2020 8:58:12 GMT
Oh dear. Even worse than Discovery! It may have been less awful with fewer episodes. Who on earth would want to sit through all that again? & that ending! Self-indulgent nonsense with all that Data stuff. & Picard dies. This is NOT Picard. It's basically a synthetic clone. A copy. It was pointless. They should just have found a cure for his ailment rather than the cheap emotionally manipulative fake death.
Just give us a 7 of 9 spin-off
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Post by pazzer on Mar 27, 2020 10:23:28 GMT
That was really strange and found it all quite confusing. Production was lazy. Really wanted to like Picard and there are hints of a good story there. But it's just a mess and didn't manage to get me to care about the characters.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 27, 2020 11:29:16 GMT
Oh dear. Even worse than Discovery! It may have been less awful with fewer episodes. Who on earth would want to sit through all that again? & that ending! Self-indulgent nonsense with all that Data stuff. & Picard dies. This is NOT Picard. It's basically a synthetic clone. A copy. It was pointless. They should just have found a cure for his ailment rather than the cheap emotionally manipulative fake death. Just give us a 7 of 9 spin-off Or a Riker/Troi/Daughter series. I'd take either instead of the weak tea Picard served up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 12:45:10 GMT
Oh dear. Even worse than Discovery! It may have been less awful with fewer episodes. Who on earth would want to sit through all that again? & that ending! Self-indulgent nonsense with all that Data stuff. & Picard dies. This is NOT Picard. It's basically a synthetic clone. A copy. It was pointless. They should just have found a cure for his ailment rather than the cheap emotionally manipulative fake death. Just give us a 7 of 9 spin-off Or not gave him the illness at all - it played ZERO part in the story until the cheap moment it suddenly kills him seconds after saving the day. They had to happen at the same time because...drama? And if they wanted to have the stakes higher...maybe don't announce Season 2 before the end of Season 1, posting set pics, it does rather tell you there's gonna be a cop-out. "You've got months to live.....we'll see you next year!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2020 17:03:05 GMT
..I find myself wondering yet again how the writers and producers of this show could have squandered the goodwill generated, the potential for great storytelling and the legacy of TNG and Roddenberry's original vision so badly.. Just watched the final episode. Right. Not really a lot I can add to what I said above really. Except that I am disappointed that I could not just sit back and enjoy this series from week to week without seeing the glaring plot holes and inconsistencies. The sad reality is that the Trek I remember fondly isn't the Trek that is currently offered, and as I posted here a while back - when you know you've fallen out of love with something it's simply time to stop trying. Time to move on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 18:02:37 GMT
At best 6 episodes worth of story spread out over 10 episodes. For everything I liked in this final episode there were several things that made me groan. I really believe this first season was a total mess. That said, Riker commanding a star ship and being just generally baddass was almost enough to salvage anything negative. Almost. I'm glad I was wrong about the Borg showing up but what the hell was with the species they were calling? Like mechanical versions of something out of Lovecraft. I had mentioned to David early on in conversation that I wondered if all this talk of a second season of Picard was some kind of fake-out and would they kill him off to close the series. I guess I was kind of right but the writing was on the wall as soon as they mentioned the golem. Rafi continues to strike me as the most underwritten and badly drawn character in all of Trek....so of course at the last second they had to also have her & Annika become lovers. My hope for season two, besides a more focused method of storytelling, is that I never hear Rafi refer to Picard as JL ever again. In summation, I walked into this wanting to love it and I'm left wondering if I will bother with season two. I was kinda stunned by the ending. They appear to have created a show almost entirely built on the premise of giving Data a better "death". I'm not even gonna bother with the big review of this - it's not worth it. If they couldn't even be bothered creating different CGI ships for the fleet, something DS9 did over 20 years ago, then I'm not gonna bother wasting my time poring over the wreckage. Got to agree what a disappointment apart from the episode before.I was looking at all the ships thinking exactly the same. there was so much that could have been done I mean they have decades of Trek to base it on and what worked and what didn’t work. Highlight for me was actually Jeri Ryan and even she was underwritten . i don’t need the swearing tbh either. lets hope they improve by leaps and bounds if we get a second season
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 28, 2020 18:29:13 GMT
Hmm. I just finished watching this. And I admit- I LIKED it. It actually fits very well into the established history and mood of previous stories in that timeline. It even fits well into the TNG canon.
Is this perfect? Is this on the same level as "Best of Both Worlds" or "All good things"? No. Not by a long shot. It is more alike to "Time's Arrow" and "Descent", taken from the plotting, the less than ideal resolution and the general mood and atmosphere. Also, from promising more than it would be able to keep.
Am I disappointed? Only a little. Yes, like all of you I had expected and imagined more. However, it was a fun and enjoyable ride and it felt very very good to meet all these old faces again. I am very much looking forward to next season.
And I agree with Causality and everybody else who says that Seven was the best character in this. I am so glad she is part of the crew. Bring on the next adventures!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 18:32:58 GMT
Hmm. I just finished watching this. And I admit- I LIKED it. It actually fits very well into the established history and mood of previous stories in that timeline. It even fits well into the TNG canon. Is this perfect? Is this on the same level as "Best of Both Worlds" or "All good things"? No. Not by a long shot. It is more alike to "Time's Arrow" and "Descent", taken from the plotting, the less than ideal resolution and the general mood and atmosphere. Also, from promising more than it would be able to keep. Am I disappointed? Only a little. Yes, like all of you I had expected and imagined more. However, it was a fun and enjoyable ride and it felt very very good to meet all these old faces again. I am very much looking forward to next season. And I agree with Causality and everybody else who says that Seven was the best character in this. I am so glad she is part of the crew. Bring on the next adventures! They will need to hook me in though I went to this out of Loyalty lol...I won’t be easy prey next time lol
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 28, 2020 18:45:40 GMT
Hmm. I just finished watching this. And I admit- I LIKED it. It actually fits very well into the established history and mood of previous stories in that timeline. It even fits well into the TNG canon. Is this perfect? Is this on the same level as "Best of Both Worlds" or "All good things"? No. Not by a long shot. It is more alike to "Time's Arrow" and "Descent", taken from the plotting, the less than ideal resolution and the general mood and atmosphere. Also, from promising more than it would be able to keep. Am I disappointed? Only a little. Yes, like all of you I had expected and imagined more. However, it was a fun and enjoyable ride and it felt very very good to meet all these old faces again. I am very much looking forward to next season. And I agree with Causality and everybody else who says that Seven was the best character in this. I am so glad she is part of the crew. Bring on the next adventures! They will need to hook me in though I went to this out of Loyalty lol...I won’t be easy prey next time lol I will. I really will.
Does this make me a weak character?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2020 19:41:58 GMT
They will need to hook me in though I went to this out of Loyalty lol...I won’t be easy prey next time lol I will. I really will.
Does this make me a weak character?
Hahah NO. well look what happened to me and my Doctor ....don’t assume lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 0:00:31 GMT
Hmm. I just finished watching this. And I admit- I LIKED it. It actually fits very well into the established history and mood of previous stories in that timeline. It even fits well into the TNG canon. Is this perfect? Is this on the same level as "Best of Both Worlds" or "All good things"? No. Not by a long shot. It is more alike to "Time's Arrow" and "Descent", taken from the plotting, the less than ideal resolution and the general mood and atmosphere. Also, from promising more than it would be able to keep. Am I disappointed? Only a little. Yes, like all of you I had expected and imagined more. However, it was a fun and enjoyable ride and it felt very very good to meet all these old faces again. I am very much looking forward to next season. And I agree with Causality and everybody else who says that Seven was the best character in this. I am so glad she is part of the crew. Bring on the next adventures! While my opinion of the show has headed in the opposite direction to yourself, I am genuinely glad you found something to enjoy in Star Trek : Picard, and look forward to reading your thoughts on the second season next year. 😊
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