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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 1, 2022 21:12:24 GMT
Hm... from what I can tell, it looks like not only has Paramount decided not to sell any of the new Trek stuff digitally, they've also taken down series/seasons that used to be purchasable in order to prop up Paramount+ subscriptions. I'm really getting sick of all this streaming nonsense. Just lemme buy stuff already! Of course, remember we don’t own any streamed media, no matter what we paid for it, we lease it at thr whim of the media rights holder Which is why I have been a physical products purchaser for ever just in general for everything.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 21:40:58 GMT
I loved Disco 4. It amazes me how much better the show has been since the jump. Well, maybe it doesnt as it never felt part of the ethos of Trek of that era. So to send them to a more dark time and have them be a beacon...wonderful. Terrific to see David Cronenberg have a more important role. Love Saru and the Ambassador romance, and Tilly is just...Tilly. And Oded Fehr is so cool as the Admiral. And how classic Trek for the season baddie to be just misunderstood and not knowin it was causing destruction. Loved Book this year too, his arc is epic. And Stacy Abrams, scourge of Southern Republicans, as the President Of Earth. That is Trek nailing its colours back to the mast with PRIDE.
Now...scroll back and you will remember I hated Picard. One of my fictional mentors was turned into a passive nobody surrounded by people he wouldnt have tolerated at his pomp. The show had a million ideas and zero idea where to put them.So expectations were low. And.....I LIKE PICARD SEASON 2! OK, there are small issues. Whoopi doesnt need to look young in 2024 since she looked like Whoopi in the 1800s. All the crew of S1 bein so close when the event happens is clunky. 10...Forward St is a really crap idea. But SO much works that just didnt last year. We now have ONE story. Lots of plots inside it, but one story. Raffi and Seven hookin up seemed to come out of nowhere but I dont care now because Raffi is likeable for the first time and Seven has let her hate dissipate. Rios is COOL. Agnes...still a bit too impish for me. Not too sold that she would walk for murder in cold blood. But hey. I have a feelin either her or Picards mum will be the Queen we saw in Ep 1. And Q is in pain, and that makes him dangerous. I disliked when he became a comic character in Next Gen and Voy (he was OK in DS9) but he is badass here. "The trial never ends..." - thats my Q. And Gary Seven stuff in 2022!
So with both shows better than ever and New Worlds about to launch next month, with another Kelvin movie confirmed at last. TREK IS A-OK! For the first time in a while....it is ALL damn cool Trek.
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Post by masterdoctor on Apr 1, 2022 21:58:08 GMT
I genuinely think we are in a golden age of Trek, despite what some vocal haters might say! Disco is better than ever, Picard is excellent, New Worlds next month, Prodigy bringing in new young fans and Lower Decks being one of the funniest animated comedies currently!
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 2, 2022 9:41:43 GMT
I loved Disco 4. It amazes me how much better the show has been since the jump. Well, maybe it doesnt as it never felt part of the ethos of Trek of that era. So to send them to a more dark time and have them be a beacon...wonderful. Terrific to see David Cronenberg have a more important role. Love Saru and the Ambassador romance, and Tilly is just...Tilly. And Oded Fehr is so cool as the Admiral. And how classic Trek for the season baddie to be just misunderstood and not knowin it was causing destruction. Loved Book this year too, his arc is epic. And Stacy Abrams, scourge of Southern Republicans, as the President Of Earth. That is Trek nailing its colours back to the mast with PRIDE. Now...scroll back and you will remember I hated Picard. One of my fictional mentors was turned into a passive nobody surrounded by people he wouldnt have tolerated at his pomp. The show had a million ideas and zero idea where to put them.So expectations were low. And.....I LIKE PICARD SEASON 2! OK, there are small issues. Whoopi doesnt need to look young in 2024 since she looked like Whoopi in the 1800s. All the crew of S1 bein so close when the event happens is clunky. 10...Forward St is a really crap idea. But SO much works that just didnt last year. We now have ONE story. Lots of plots inside it, but one story. Raffi and Seven hookin up seemed to come out of nowhere but I dont care now because Raffi is likeable for the first time and Seven has let her hate dissipate. Rios is COOL. Agnes...still a bit too impish for me. Not too sold that she would walk for murder in cold blood. But hey. I have a feelin either her or Picards mum will be the Queen we saw in Ep 1. And Q is in pain, and that makes him dangerous. I disliked when he became a comic character in Next Gen and Voy (he was OK in DS9) but he is badass here. "The trial never ends..." - thats my Q. And Gary Seven stuff in 2022! So with both shows better than ever and New Worlds about to launch next month, with another Kelvin movie confirmed at last. TREK IS A-OK! For the first time in a while....it is ALL damn cool Trek. As for the "Raffi and Seven hooking up"- this is one of the happenings in the prequel audio drama. I was so happy with the first episode of Season 2 that I got the audio drama right away, even if it is on the expensive side (even compared to BF!).
But totally agree with your Picard assessment!
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 2, 2022 20:07:20 GMT
Star Trek Picard- I hazard a guess and suspect that both the Borg Queen and Q are up to something...
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 4, 2022 7:55:25 GMT
Yeah, I need to look into BRDs. Ive never much cared about spoilers, so I've read a fair bit about the Disco seasons. Season 4 definitely sounds like a big improvement, and genuinely pretty enjoyable. I've still only seen S1 (sans the last two episodes) but am kind of anxious about having to slog through the end of the Klingon War and then a whole other season of dystopian Section 31 nonsense. Is the jump to the future enough of a soft reboot that I could just skip straight to S3, do you think? I genuinely think we are in a golden age of Trek, despite what some vocal haters might say! Disco is better than ever, Picard is excellent, New Worlds next month, Prodigy bringing in new young fans and Lower Decks being one of the funniest animated comedies currently! Don't forget that new adventure game. It has a silly title, but looks pretty fun. Really hope that if this *is* a golden age, we get some decent games out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 12:45:52 GMT
Is the jump to the future enough of a soft reboot that I could just skip straight to S3, do you think? 100%. A few sentences may assist, thats about it. From BTS interviews it seems most involved felt either liberated by the time jump or happy to have their own new corner of Trek. What I would say is that despite Disco 2 bein mostly awful...Anson is terrific as Pike and its no coincidence so many are excited for "his" Enterprise now. Ethan Peck as Spock doesnt really play Spock as we know him for pretty much the entire season so its hard to be too excited by him (not on the actor but the scripts), but if you do skip it..I would still cycle back round eventually as when Anson beams on board its like "Woah, Star Trek just showed up!" Disco 3 is a massive improvement and Disco 4 is even better than that.
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 4, 2022 16:59:03 GMT
Yeah, I need to look into BRDs. Ive never much cared about spoilers, so I've read a fair bit about the Disco seasons. Season 4 definitely sounds like a big improvement, and genuinely pretty enjoyable. I've still only seen S1 (sans the last two episodes) but am kind of anxious about having to slog through the end of the Klingon War and then a whole other season of dystopian Section 31 nonsense. Is the jump to the future enough of a soft reboot that I could just skip straight to S3, do you think? I genuinely think we are in a golden age of Trek, despite what some vocal haters might say! Disco is better than ever, Picard is excellent, New Worlds next month, Prodigy bringing in new young fans and Lower Decks being one of the funniest animated comedies currently! Don't forget that new adventure game. It has a silly title, but looks pretty fun. Really hope that if this *is* a golden age, we get some decent games out of it. I still think Star Trek Online is pretty great and they even bring out new episodes with the original actors every few months.
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Post by thewatcher on Apr 4, 2022 17:17:10 GMT
Is the jump to the future enough of a soft reboot that I could just skip straight to S3, do you think? Dont bother it rubbish show and not true star trek
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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 4, 2022 22:37:34 GMT
Is the jump to the future enough of a soft reboot that I could just skip straight to S3, do you think? Dont bother it rubbish show and not true star trek Why isn’t it “proper” Trek?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 23:21:13 GMT
Dont bother it rubbish show and not true star trek Why isn’t it “proper” Trek? Jeffrey Hunter isn't in it!
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Post by Star Platinum on Apr 4, 2022 23:31:10 GMT
Yeah, I need to look into BRDs. Ive never much cared about spoilers, so I've read a fair bit about the Disco seasons. Season 4 definitely sounds like a big improvement, and genuinely pretty enjoyable. I've still only seen S1 (sans the last two episodes) but am kind of anxious about having to slog through the end of the Klingon War and then a whole other season of dystopian Section 31 nonsense. Is the jump to the future enough of a soft reboot that I could just skip straight to S3, do you think? I genuinely think we are in a golden age of Trek, despite what some vocal haters might say! Disco is better than ever, Picard is excellent, New Worlds next month, Prodigy bringing in new young fans and Lower Decks being one of the funniest animated comedies currently! Don't forget that new adventure game. It has a silly title, but looks pretty fun. Really hope that if this *is* a golden age, we get some decent games out of it. I enjoyed season 2 of Discovery, Anson Mount steals the show and there are some really good episodes in there as well. 2.4 and 2.12 are particularly good. (2.12 is essential viewing for Pike). I’d argue that 2.13/2.14 are worth watching if you enjoy the ship battles. Season 3 works well as a soft reboot, there’s a ton of world building and the shake up in status quo it brings to the franchise is a breath of fresh air.
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 5, 2022 19:45:12 GMT
Thanks, sounds like I'm good to skip to S3 then. I figure SNW will probably do a fine job introducing me to Pike, so I'm not too worried about that. Re: STO... man, I really wish I could get into that game, but MMOs are just too grindy. All I wanna do is customize starships.... Dont bother it rubbish show and not true star trek Why isn’t it “proper” Trek? I mean, while yes this is a silly and nonsensical topic, I actually think it can be kind of interesting to explore, right? Star Trek is so diverse there's a ton we can talk about w/r/t defining traits. What makes Trek Trek? The dominant traits, themes, formats, approaches, aesthetics, etc. Because I think it's it's clear that there's no single, definitive authorial voice for this setting. And I'd personally argue that the Trekiest Trek is the direct result of people challenging the conventional idea of what the IP was and could be, from Family all the way to DS9.
(Which is why I feel prequels work especially poorly in this franchise: their core conceit is to avoid challenging anything and just reproduce vaguely familiar imagery). .... I think it's fair to say that an individual story can *fail* to be properly "Star Trek" but it's a bit silly to write off a whole series. Like, at that point you're just failing to engage with the material on any level.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 5, 2022 21:40:34 GMT
Picard Season 3 Teaser Trailer out already? If Real then Oh My My EDIT Seems it is Real Regards mark687
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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 5, 2022 22:42:49 GMT
Thanks, sounds like I'm good to skip to S3 then. I figure SNW will probably do a fine job introducing me to Pike, so I'm not too worried about that. Re: STO... man, I really wish I could get into that game, but MMOs are just too grindy. All I wanna do is customize starships.... Why isn’t it “proper” Trek? I mean, while yes this is a silly and nonsensical topic, I actually think it can be kind of interesting to explore, right? Star Trek is so diverse there's a ton we can talk about w/r/t defining traits. What makes Trek Trek? The dominant traits, themes, formats, approaches, aesthetics, etc. Because I think it's it's clear that there's no single, definitive authorial voice for this setting. And I'd personally argue that the Trekiest Trek is the direct result of people challenging the conventional idea of what the IP was and could be, from Family all the way to DS9.
(Which is why I feel prequels work especially poorly in this franchise: their core conceit is to avoid challenging anything and just reproduce vaguely familiar imagery). .... I think it's fair to say that an individual story can *fail* to be properly "Star Trek" but it's a bit silly to write off a whole series. Like, at that point you're just failing to engage with the material on any level. The first two seasons of Discovery are, for me at least, the rare prequel that does work. Once you get your head around the fact that this is long-form storytelling, it becomes a great yarn about what happened before Kirk. And I love that we get the nods to the events of TOS. It’s telling a different story, like DS9 was telling a different story to TNG. I wasn’t keen on the Klingons but I’m also old enough to remember people wanting to know why they’d been changed in The Motion Picture as well. It’s what Klingons do, despite Worf’s assurance that they don’t talk about it. And, frankly, once they grew their hair back, I really didn’t mind. Honestly, though, I think there’s enough Trek in the world that YOU DON’T HAVE TO LIKE IT ALL. It’s the same with Who; it’s getting to be the same with Star Wars (although I haven’t really cared too much about Star Wars since I got too old to play with my action figures). And it’s definitely the same with superhero films. And I know that a lot of people can’t cope with it, but perhaps what people really don’t like about new Trek is that some of it hasn’t been made with them as the target audience. And it seems, in my experience at least, that when some fans can’t “see themselves” as the main character then they lose any kind of perspective about the material so that minor faults or quirks get blown waaaay out of proportion. I mean, I love TOS, but it’s got a much higher proportion of dud episodes than any other Trek series. It’s the same with Who: the duds in the revived series are much fewer in number than in the Classic series. I know a lot of what folks love about Art is entirely subjective but it really doesn’t help when people are openly hostile to things they don’t enjoy as much as others do. And I’m really excited about Picard Series 3, too.
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 5, 2022 23:18:30 GMT
I think the whole, "You have to like everything," thing feels like a symptom of what is probably the single greatest problem plaguing geek culture these days (and maybe it was always an issue?): fans who turn their affection for any given work of media into an identity.
Like, not only can you not like everything--I'd say you probably shouldn't like everything. That'd be a pretty problematic mentality, right?
As many problems as our broader community has, I think in general Doctor Who fans are a bit better in this regard: there's simply so much media that even being aware of everything, let alone seeing everything, let alone liking everything, is basically unheard of.
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Re: prequels, I don't really care much about discontinuity, so things like the Klingons don't bother me (aside from the fact that the actors can't emote or enunciate as well through the prostheses), it's more that by placing it where they did, we're stuck exploring the storytelling potential in a space that's already charted. I feel Star Trek, at a fundamental level, ought to be about going to new places. Physically, metaphorically, thematically.
And even ignoring the temporal overlap, we've also already had Trek tell us war stories and mirror universe stories (and for S2 spy stories and rogue AI stories), so it felt a lot like a rehash of ideas we'd already seen. Which isn't to say rehashes are innately bad (they're not) but when you're only going to do 1-2 plots in an entire season, there's a helluva lot more pressure to do something new and interesting.
'Cause that's really the thing: if you dislike 5 or 6 stories of TNG, that's a drop in the bucket. 5 or 6 stories of a serialized program like DIS and that's the whole series.
(Which is the principle reason to be hyped as hell for SNW.)
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Post by Digi on Apr 6, 2022 0:52:39 GMT
Loved to bits: Discovery season 2 Lower Decks season 1
Liked: Discovery season 1 Discovery season 3
Meh: Discovery season 4 Picard season 1
Hated: Lower Decks season 2
So far Picard S2 is hovering comfortably in the Liked tier, and halfway through Prodigy's first season, it's hovering somewhere between Like and Love.
The news about Picard S3 today is very exciting though. I can only imagine how torturous it was for the actors to have to sit on it--even if contracts were only signed in the last year (year!!), the broad strokes of the series were sketched out before a single episode had aired.
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 8, 2022 12:14:14 GMT
Loved to bits: Discovery season 2 Lower Decks season 1 Liked: Discovery season 1 Discovery season 3 Meh: Discovery season 4 Picard season 1 Hated: Lower Decks season 2 So far Picard S2 is hovering comfortably in the Liked tier, and halfway through Prodigy's first season, it's hovering somewhere between Like and Love. The news about Picard S3 today is very exciting though. I can only imagine how torturous it was for the actors to have to sit on it--even if contracts were only signed in the last year (year!!), the broad strokes of the series were sketched out before a single episode had aired. Oh, crickey. I loved Lower Decks S1! What the heck happens in S2?
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Post by tuigirl on Apr 9, 2022 13:39:45 GMT
Loved to bits: Discovery season 2 Lower Decks season 1 Liked: Discovery season 1 Discovery season 3 Meh: Discovery season 4 Picard season 1 Hated: Lower Decks season 2 So far Picard S2 is hovering comfortably in the Liked tier, and halfway through Prodigy's first season, it's hovering somewhere between Like and Love. The news about Picard S3 today is very exciting though. I can only imagine how torturous it was for the actors to have to sit on it--even if contracts were only signed in the last year (year!!), the broad strokes of the series were sketched out before a single episode had aired. Oh, crickey. I loved Lower Decks S1! What the heck happens in S2? I personally liked season 2 of Lower Decks..... I am curious, too!
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Post by Star Platinum on Apr 9, 2022 17:42:04 GMT
Oh, crickey. I loved Lower Decks S1! What the heck happens in S2? I personally liked season 2 of Lower Decks..... I am curious, too! I can only think of like one scene in LD which I felt was in poor taste, otherwise season 2 was amazing!
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