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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 12:43:50 GMT
Moffat denied the contractual obligation to use them in his column and I think RTD did at some point too though I dont remember if that was DWM or not.
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Post by bobod on Feb 23, 2018 13:06:56 GMT
Moffat denied the contractual obligation to use them in his column and I think RTD did at some point too though I dont remember if that was DWM or not. I've never heard any confirmation of there being an annual obligation. I think it's a fan assumption.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 14:11:09 GMT
Moffat denied the contractual obligation to use them in his column and I think RTD did at some point too though I dont remember if that was DWM or not. I've never heard any confirmation of there being an annual obligation. I think it's a fan assumption. This fan assumed it was the case, having heard varying comments. Interesting that it may well not be the case. Perhaps then, Series 11 might even be the first since 2005 without the Daleks. I'd be fine with that, but then I remember the days we'd have gaps for three or four years between Dalek stories.
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Post by bobod on Feb 23, 2018 15:31:46 GMT
I've never seen the problem with a Dalek story each year. It's normally just one story out of the run.
Actually there isn't a Dalek story in series six, is there? Or am I forgetting something?
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Post by bobod on Feb 23, 2018 15:37:25 GMT
Oh and I'm looking forward to seeing Jodie against some old favourites in her time. So I'm totally up for a Dalek story at some stage of her first year.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 15:42:52 GMT
I've never seen the problem with a Dalek story each year. It's normally just one story out of the run. Actually there isn't a Dalek story in series six, is there? Or am I forgetting something? It's series 6, the specials and series 10 that people cite as "proof" of the contractual agreement because the Daleks are in all 3 in tiny roles; Matt kills and takes the stalk from one to use as credentials in The Wedding Of River Song ("Hello....Dalek"), one appears at the window of a young Lindsay Duncan in Waters Of Mars and the Movellan battle from The Pilot. I think a court would deem it to be circumstantial at best .
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Post by bobod on Feb 23, 2018 16:02:32 GMT
I've never seen the problem with a Dalek story each year. It's normally just one story out of the run. Actually there isn't a Dalek story in series six, is there? Or am I forgetting something? It's series 6, the specials and series 10 that people cite as "proof" of the contractual agreement because the Daleks are in all 3 in tiny roles; Matt kills and takes the stalk from one to use as credentials in The Wedding Of River Song ("Hello....Dalek"), one appears at the window of a young Lindsay Duncan in Waters Of Mars and the Movellan battle from The Pilot. I think a court would deem it to be circumstantial at best . Indeed. Blimey.
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Post by bobod on Feb 23, 2018 16:05:41 GMT
Wasn't it the case that Russell wanted the Daleks in End of Time and checked with Moffat about if he had Dalek plans and Moffat said yes and that they were ones that needed them not to have been seen for a while. So presumably Moffat wasn't expecting the Daleks to be appearing in Specials year.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Feb 23, 2018 17:41:58 GMT
A decent story would help. Like Planet of the Daleks, you mean? Nah. More like Victory of the Daleks!
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Post by glutamodo on Feb 23, 2018 18:19:51 GMT
My thought/question is... with the Daleks and other monster voice-overs, will Briggs continue to be employed?
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Post by mrperson on Feb 23, 2018 18:45:01 GMT
They need to be portrayed along the lines of Dalek Empire. Genuinely dangerous, ruthless, etc., not something to be distracted with a pastry or mocked from inside Davros' chair....
And as has been said: they also need to win.
If Daleks are back, they are Daleks that survived the Time War; so, powerful enough to destroy the Timelords.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 19:17:34 GMT
Oh, and give them a respray. The Daleks don't need to be turned into lollipops as they were during the paradigm phase, but a few minor tweaks to their appearance would be good. I'd like to see gun-metal make a return as colour scheme. You can have too much bronze.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Feb 23, 2018 20:23:28 GMT
My thought/question is... with the Daleks and other monster voice-overs, will Briggs continue to be employed? I imagine. There aren't any other major voice artists associated with the show, and it'd be a money saver.
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Post by bobod on Feb 23, 2018 21:16:16 GMT
Oh, and give them a respray. The Daleks don't need to be turned into lollipops as they were during the paradigm phase, but a few minor tweaks to their appearance would be good. I'd like to see gun-metal make a return as colour scheme. You can have too much bronze. Silver and black pls. Death to the Daleks look take on the usual New Who props.
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Post by SG. on Feb 23, 2018 23:19:13 GMT
I've never seen the problem with a Dalek story each year. It's normally just one story out of the run. Actually there isn't a Dalek story in series six, is there? Or am I forgetting something? I think it's because there's potential for something new and different rather than another Dalek story. They do tend to hog the spotlight more than any other part of the Doctor Who mythos (although how much of that is down to the show itself is questionable). It's not too much of an issue really, but considering we have less episodes to work within this series, it might be better to do without for now.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Feb 24, 2018 0:20:44 GMT
I'd like to see gun-metal make a return as colour scheme. I think so too, but erring on the darker end: the shiny kind like the 'Death to' Daleks could look really tacky, not to mention be a pain to light.
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Post by bobod on Feb 24, 2018 1:04:42 GMT
I've never seen the problem with a Dalek story each year. It's normally just one story out of the run. Actually there isn't a Dalek story in series six, is there? Or am I forgetting something? I think it's because there's potential for something new and different rather than another Dalek story. They do tend to hog the spotlight more than any other part of the Doctor Who mythos (although how much of that is down to the show itself is questionable). It's not too much of an issue really, but considering we have less episodes to work within this series, it might be better to do without for now. Fewer. I still think one Dalek ep still leaves nine to play in other ways.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Feb 24, 2018 1:45:34 GMT
Personally I think the Daleks need to go away for a few series. I love them, but I’m sick of seeing them in every series. There is nothing special or surprising about them appearing anymore. Give them a break and use the time to come up with a strong story direction for them.
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Post by jasonward on Feb 24, 2018 2:06:10 GMT
Personally I think the Daleks need to go away for a few series. I love them, but I’m sick of seeing them in every series. There is nothing special or surprising about them appearing anymore. Give them a break and use the time to come up with a strong story direction for them. The thing for me now with Daleks is not so much how often they've appeared, its that there needs to be some form of resolution to the Time War, such that The Daleks would no longer immediately go at it again when Timelords appear. The way I'd like to see this resolved is a Dalek civil war, brought about by genetic mutation or perhaps by a set of time travelling Daleks appearing out of the vortex after being trapped there during The Time War and for whatever reason refusing to submit to the orders of the current Dalek Emporer, perhaps because they have their own Dalek Emporer with them, or perhaps Davros puts in another appearing with has Dalek MkII with him. These two Dalek factions would immediately see each other as the primary enemy they have and in effect leave the Timelords to normalise their civilisation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 3:53:56 GMT
Disagree. Twelve's rougher around the edges persona was ALWAYS going to be a risk for the audience and there needed some familiarity for it to go over and even then, they didn't play it safe. I'm kind of okay with the Daleks appearing from series to series. Doctor Who is an event series and in a VERY different position then in the original run and there is a lot more competitive media out there for kid's attention nowadays. Lots of logic in this. And it's served the series well in the past. Power introducing the Second Doctor, Terror of the Autons reintroducing the Third, Attack of the Cybermen reintroducing the Sixth, Remembrance reintroducing Seven, Rose introducing Nine... I guess the important thing is how the Daleks are employed series-to-series. We had the Dalek run in the Monthly Range a while back which gave us Brotherhood of the Daleks, Enemy of the Daleks, Patient Zero and Plague of the Daleks in relatively short succession. They all do some very interesting and distinctive things with the biomechanical meanies. He's certainly not wrong. I think -- and like most of what I say, it's only a working theory, but I think -- that the Daleks are most effective when they have something to bounce off of. A dramatic foil. The Ptolems, Lestersons, Waterfields and Mavik Chens of these stories. They're a lot like horror film monsters in a way. Slashers are only as interesting as their victims. Part of what makes the Xenomorph in Alien so effective is the reactions of the Nostromo crew between its killings. Jubilee, for instance, is extremely effective because it's not only is it about a Dalek gaining a conscience (sort of), but it's also about this hideously grotesque society that's been warped by their presence. Maybe we need a touch more of that? Maybe Chibnall will strip them of their empire? I do love a desperate nasty Dalek. The Desperately Nasty Dalek would make a great storybook name.
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