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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 12, 2018 17:58:16 GMT
“I gave them a hit show. So that really sticks in my gut. Yes he was the lead and the title character but that isn't something an actor ever says. And as David has pointed out, CE has worked quite a lot for the BBC and we know Moffat & CE had a meeting about the 50th and Moffat has said several times he thought CE was going to do it. I'm sorry but I think the only person who stopped Christopher Eccleston from appearing in the 50th was Christopher Eccleston.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 18:08:14 GMT
I'd care more if the War Doctor had been underwhelming casting but we got John Hurt so a real all's well that ends well. Moff was quite clear (after being rebuffed by the Beeb from considering McGann) that he knew he couldn't just cast any old actor who could be the Doctor sometime as "the mayfly Doctor" - like James Nesbitt or Ben Daniels for example. It had to be someone with enough gravitas to make you go "How did they get him?" and fit the occasion. He absolutely nailed it with John Hurt. Dare I say I was more happy to see John - one of my favourite actors ever - playing The Doctor, my hero since I was a boy, than I would have been seeing Chris back.  |
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 12, 2018 18:14:55 GMT
I'd care more if the War Doctor had been underwhelming casting but we got John Hurt so a real all's well that ends well. Moff was quite clear (after being rebuffed by the Beeb from considering McGann) that he knew he couldn't just cast any old actor who could be the Doctor sometime as "the mayfly Doctor" - like James Nesbitt or Ben Daniels for example. It had to be someone with enough gravitas to make you go "How did they get him?" and fit the occasion. He absolutely nailed it with John Hurt. Dare I say I was more happy to see John - one of my favourite actors ever - playing The Doctor, my hero since I was a boy, than I would have been seeing Chris back. I'm thrilled we got John Hurt as well. The idea of McGann becoming that Doctor has always sat a little uneasy with me, so agree. John Hurt was great. I would still be inclined to believe it was Eccleston who in the end declined doing the 50th for whatever reasons he has....although if an actor is going to take money-only jobs like G.I. Joe & Thor, well, I don't know why that same actor turns down something like the 50th of Doctor Who. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 18:30:03 GMT
I don't think anyone really knows what happened between Chris and the BBC, but neither of them have seemed to have taken steps to properly reconcile. So much so that Chris is, quite basically, currently turning down quite a lucrative pension by not trailing the convention circuit.
(I know it's not all about money, but it can't be just me who thinks he's got to have some strong resolve to ignore the waves of cash the fanbase would throw at him if the other cheek were somehow turned.)
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Post by thethirddoctor on Mar 12, 2018 18:52:17 GMT
“I gave them a hit show. So that really sticks in my gut. Yes he was the lead and the title character but that isn't something an actor ever says. And as David has pointed out, CE has worked quite a lot for the BBC and we know Moffat & CE had a meeting about the 50th and Moffat has said several times he thought CE was going to do it. I'm sorry but I think the only person who stopped Christopher Eccleston from appearing in the 50th was Christopher Eccleston. Possibly because he felt miffed at being blacklisted! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 18:53:51 GMT
I'd care more if the War Doctor had been underwhelming casting but we got John Hurt so a real all's well that ends well. Moff was quite clear (after being rebuffed by the Beeb from considering McGann) that he knew he couldn't just cast any old actor who could be the Doctor sometime as "the mayfly Doctor" - like James Nesbitt or Ben Daniels for example. It had to be someone with enough gravitas to make you go "How did they get him?" and fit the occasion. He absolutely nailed it with John Hurt. Dare I say I was more happy to see John - one of my favourite actors ever - playing The Doctor, my hero since I was a boy, than I would have been seeing Chris back. I'm thrilled we got John Hurt as well. The idea of McGann becoming that Doctor has always sat a little uneasy with me, so agree. John Hurt was great. I would still be inclined to believe it was Eccleston who in the end declined doing the 50th for whatever reasons he has....although if an actor is going to take money-only jobs like G.I. Joe & Thor, well, I don't know why that same actor turns down something like the 50th of Doctor Who. I can see why he'd view Thor and GI Joe as lesser jobs than Who though - he's of the age to know how DW really was every kid's hero. We never really got GI Joe here (Action Man FTW!) and Thor was a b-lister back when too. He was proud of being The Doctor and getting to work with RTD again so I can see why he'd consider legacy there wheras just considering the paycheque for the blockbusters. |
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 12, 2018 19:29:03 GMT
I'm thrilled we got John Hurt as well. The idea of McGann becoming that Doctor has always sat a little uneasy with me, so agree. John Hurt was great. I would still be inclined to believe it was Eccleston who in the end declined doing the 50th for whatever reasons he has....although if an actor is going to take money-only jobs like G.I. Joe & Thor, well, I don't know why that same actor turns down something like the 50th of Doctor Who. I can see why he'd view Thor and GI Joe as lesser jobs than Who though - he's of the age to know how DW really was every kid's hero. We never really got GI Joe here (Action Man FTW!) and Thor was a b-lister back when too. He was proud of being The Doctor and getting to work with RTD again so I can see why he'd consider legacy there wheras just considering the paycheque for the blockbusters. That is what I'm saying. The 50th anniversary of Doctor Who means more than a check, so if you are going to take paycheck gigs....and there is nothing wrong with that....then you don't turn away something as high profile as the anniversary as the show. Still, as you have noted, in return we got John Hurt. And I'd say that is a fair trade-off. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 19:32:16 GMT
Do we know, as in actual knowledge as opposed to speculation, what the original disagreement that led to his departure was about? He's spoken about having issues with the higher ups on Who - and plenty of anecotal evidence that he wasn't a fan of Keith Boak, or with the way his concerns were handled by Phil Collinson. And Barrowman has said Chris was withdrawn and grumpy on set while we've also heard Eccleston (I think more than fairly) thought Barrowman was out of order for exposing himself on set to get laughs. I think it was all of it in a whirlwind personally. It's an intense working schedule on DW and Chris' own intensities and very single-minded work ethic met that environment like oil and water. Tennant's a much looser actor and person, much more suited for that. Indeed, if Barrowman did that on a set these days he'd be fired pretty damn quick, and the press and social media fallout would not be kind, regardless of if he thought it was funny or not. Bet he didn't do anything of the sort on the Arrowverse shows, either. By any account, and at the very, very least, it is extremely unprofessional and something most on set would not have been comfortable with. Nor is it something people at work should be expected to accept or put up with. And according to the accounts I've heard over the years, it wasn't just that the crew were being treated poorly that got to Eccleston, it's more that when he raised concerns about it with certain people in power on the show his concerns were basically dismissed and nothing was done to address, much less fix, the issue(s) in question. As such he didn't feel like he could continue to profit from a role on a show that, in his view, didn't look after its own people, as it went against his personal principals to do so. Now there's at least two sides to any story, not to mention multiple perspectives, but the above has always seemed quite believable to me. Will we ever hear the unvarnished truth of the matter? Who knows... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 19:43:02 GMT
He’s gotten really bitter. Doesn't seem bitter at all to me. Just being open & honest. A lot more stars would if they didn't think it would have a negative impact on their careers. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 19:56:41 GMT
Indeed. It's rather a sad state of affairs when honesty, a rarity in itself, seems to be so commonly and frequently misconstrued or dismissed as bitterness.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Mar 12, 2018 21:33:34 GMT
Possibly because he felt miffed at being blacklisted! Except Paul, he was offered the gig in the 50th by Moffat and as Davy has pointed out, the BBC has regularly employed him. That doesn't sound like much of a blacklist. Nah! And, as you have said "I think the only person who stopped Christopher Eccleston from appearing in the 50th was Christopher Eccleston". To which I replied it is quite possible he turned Moffat down because he was angry at having been blacklisted. You don't appear to be reading my comments. |
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 12, 2018 21:40:40 GMT
Anything is possible Paul.
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Post by jasonward on Mar 12, 2018 21:42:57 GMT
Moderation :
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If you think there is something to report to the moderators, please report it, otherwise, as I say, please stop.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Mar 12, 2018 21:45:41 GMT
Moderation :
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Post by jasonward on Mar 12, 2018 21:48:43 GMT
Moderation :
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 12, 2018 21:53:29 GMT
When I read Ecclestone making comments about being blacklisted by the bbc and posh people in charge of the RSC etc, am I the only one who thinks he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 22:09:01 GMT
Breaking out the redspeak. That was always my practice, to clearly delineate my official speak from my personal ramblings. It doesn't come across well I'm afraid. Never seen any mod on any forum do it in such a manner. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2018 22:10:42 GMT
When I read Ecclestone making comments about being blacklisted by the bbc and posh people in charge of the RSC etc, am I the only one who thinks he has a bit of a chip on his shoulder? I think he is correct. Years ago there was a large number of working class actors. Now we have returned to the age of posh boy actors. |
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Post by masterdoctor on Mar 12, 2018 22:38:50 GMT
johnhurtdoctor, do you know why there is a 20% under your name? I genuinely have never seen that before.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 12, 2018 22:47:44 GMT
I don't think we've returned to a time of posh actors 1st we are in a age every actor must walk the socially correct line in order to keep an active career.
But back to the Ecclestone situation;
Michael Grade wanted the show pulled before it even aired, Mark Thomson went along with it, Mal Young was leaving his Production role anyway, only Jane Tranter saying that it huge waste of money to pull it stopped them. couple that with these rumoured on set tensions of course he left (with 2 series worth of salary which was in the 7 figure range apparently, that may've put him on a BBC "blacklist)
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