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Post by mark687 on Jun 14, 2018 11:02:47 GMT
Just my opinion
The Part didn't need recasting in the 1st place, but now we've got 2, either Actor would work.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 11:03:30 GMT
I was talking about Bleach's appreciation for Molloy's performance.
We seem to be worrying a lot about Molloy and Bleach's feelings.
In the acting profession roles are recast all the time, for all sorts of reasons. More so in the theatre, less so on TV, but it happens. Molloy and Bleach are both professionals. I'm not convinced that either of them would be all that worried if BF used the other as Davros. Unless they read DWM, would they even know at all?
I'm sure they both have a lot more to think about in their personal and professional lives than whether or not BF employ them for 1 or 2 days' work as Davros.
Molloy's very fond of the role and has expressed it often in interviews. I do think he'd feel cut out if Big Finish decided to use Bleach instead.
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 14, 2018 11:08:42 GMT
If Davros is used again, it should be in a story that explores something in him, or he opens up a storyline that's has something to say. Just using Davros because he can be used or to drum up more pre-orders isn't the way to go.
Aside from a brief cameo in The Lights of Skaro, Davros hasn't been used by Big Finish since 2013 and while I didn't enjoy Daleks Among Us, it did try say explore him further with Falkus. Big Finish have always used him sparingly, so I don't really understand your criticism here. I'd imagine the first volume of the Eighth Doctor: Time War box sets went down VERY well and Doom Coalition was a nice jumping on point for a new fans that many new listeners seem to have taken to. I've never seen Big Finish resort to such cheap tactics ever, and certiantly not now.
I think the Lights of Skaro was a very rare example of BF resorting to cheap tactics. Davros was in it for about 2 lines, completely unnecessary and superfluous. Yet those lines appeared in the trailer which gave me the impression he would be featuring a lot more heavily than he did. I'm not complaining because I still enjoyed it and I would have bought it anyway, but I did feel disappointed by the blink and you'll miss it cameo and I thought Davros' appearance in the trailer was more than a bit misleading for potential buyers.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 14, 2018 11:13:01 GMT
If they put Davros in a Time War set, I think they should try to get Bleach in. Simply because New Series themed release, New Series Davros. There's actually a fairly interesting setup for such a story. The Doctor recalls trying to save him (almost ashamedly so), what could make the Doctor actively try to rescue Davros?
I guess, but where do you go from there? Recast Bleach as Davros in subsquent prior chronological stories? I think Molloy would feel put out about that and I can't see Big Finish doing that to him. I guess, there could be a plot reason for the voice change, but it feels disingenous. As I said, people get that it's a legacy role. I don't think keeping Molloy on is going to be that much of a dealbreaker.
I think for Eight, it's an act of mercy. With his people's degeneration into their darker impulses, he wants to be better. Maybe even attempt to guide Davros out of the darkness, as he's been prone to try to do agasint hope, trying to believe in something.
Why would they use Bleach in prior chronological stories? They have Molloy for the 'classic' Davros already. I don't think them using Molloy in a Time War would be a deal breaker for anyone, but since it's a New Series release it makes sense they'd approach the New Series Davros. I can't see Eight saving Davros in the midst of a temporal war zone just out of mercy, especially after what Davros did in Terror Firma. Even the fifth Doctor, the most compassionate of the Doctors, put a gun to Davros' head. Maybe eight did just do it out of hope, there's still a good story there. A glimmer of hope against the rising darkness of the Time War.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 11:19:14 GMT
Aside from a brief cameo in The Lights of Skaro, Davros hasn't been used by Big Finish since 2013 and while I didn't enjoy Daleks Among Us, it did try say explore him further with Falkus. Big Finish have always used him sparingly, so I don't really understand your criticism here. I'd imagine the first volume of the Eighth Doctor: Time War box sets went down VERY well and Doom Coalition was a nice jumping on point for a new fans that many new listeners seem to have taken to. I've never seen Big Finish resort to such cheap tactics ever, and certiantly not now.
I think the Lights of Skaro was a very rare example of BF resorting to cheap tactics. Davros was in it for about 2 lines, completely unnecessary and superfluous. Yet those lines appeared in the trailer which gave me the impression he would be featuring a lot more heavily than he did. I'm not complaining because I still enjoyed it and I would have bought it anyway, but I did feel disappointed by the blink and you'll miss it cameo and I thought Davros' appearance in the trailer was more than a bit misleading for potential buyers.
To be fair, Big Finish were trying to keep the project under wraps and the big reveal of Random Ghosts. The New Adventures ARE the New Adventures and divisive. While I think a lot of fans tolerated Big Finish's skirmishes into the New Adventures in short bursts (Shadow of the Scourge and The Dark Flame were 'side step' releases, a twenty-five minute episode on Company of Friends, a Companion Chronicle that was apart from the Main Range) they wanted it and viewed it as seperate. I can see why it irked people, but I thought it was nice misdirect, personally and not at all cheap. I thought the twist was great, though: rexperiencing Dalek history through Benny's eyes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 11:19:20 GMT
If they put Davros in a Time War set, I think they should try to get Bleach in. Simply because New Series themed release, New Series Davros. There's actually a fairly interesting setup for such a story. The Doctor recalls trying to save him (almost ashamedly so), what could make the Doctor actively try to rescue Davros? There is definitely potential for a good story to be told here and, as we all know, BF love stories I think Davros has suffered from overuse that diminishes his impact in Genesis, but only to us long term fans who remember all his stories, and more besides through a whole Audio expanded chronology that most viewers and casual fans are probably unaware of. Most fans of the new series will not have seen much of Davros outside of his two appearances in the new series, so will not be tired of him. It will be the appearance of Bleach on any cover art that may draw in new purchases in connection with any new audio to do with the new series, such as a Time War set or indeed War Master. His inclusion may be down to a simple choice of marketing, if it were to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 11:36:27 GMT
I guess, but where do you go from there? Recast Bleach as Davros in subsquent prior chronological stories? I think Molloy would feel put out about that and I can't see Big Finish doing that to him. I guess, there could be a plot reason for the voice change, but it feels disingenous. As I said, people get that it's a legacy role. I don't think keeping Molloy on is going to be that much of a dealbreaker.
I think for Eight, it's an act of mercy. With his people's degeneration into their darker impulses, he wants to be better. Maybe even attempt to guide Davros out of the darkness, as he's been prone to try to do agasint hope, trying to believe in something.
Why would they use Bleach in prior chronological stories? They have Molloy for the 'classic' Davros already. I don't think them using Molloy in a Time War would be a deal breaker for anyone, but since it's a New Series release it makes sense they'd approach the New Series Davros. I can't see Eight saving Davros in the midst of a temporal war zone just out of mercy, especially after what Davros did in Terror Firma. Even the fifth Doctor, the most compassionate of the Doctors, put a gun to Davros' head. Maybe eight did just do it out of hope, there's still a good story there. A glimmer of hope against the rising darkness of the Time War.
Why have two different actors playing the same role in different releases? It can only lead to confusion in the long-run. I can't see Big Finish doing it.
Eh, Eight's desperate for any light and hope in a universe twisted by the Time War, to be a good force as a Time Lord - as a person - while his own people have descended into barbarism. I can see him doing it, trying to bring his people out of the darkness, holding onto the teannets of his Doctor identity. I want to see that story as well!
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Post by dannybl on Jun 14, 2018 11:40:50 GMT
I think it should be Bleach if he makes any Time War appearance and Molloy for the Classic Doctors.
Can't say fairer than that!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 11:45:53 GMT
I think it should be Bleach if he makes any Time War appearance and Molloy for the Classic Doctors. Can't say fairer than that!
I don't think Molloy would put up that, though. He's very fond of the role and he and Big Finish have a good relationship. I can't see him or Big Finish doing that.
The revival releases are going done very well and I think there are enough listeners curious about The Doctor that caught a glimpse of in The Night of The Doctor not to be bothered by it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 11:50:30 GMT
I think it should be Bleach if he makes any Time War appearance and Molloy for the Classic Doctors. Can't say fairer than that!
I don't think Molloy would put up that, though. He's very fond of the role and he and Big Finish have a good relationship. I can't see him or Big Finish doing that.
The revival releases are going done very well and I think there are enough listeners curious about The Doctor that caught a glimpse of in The Night of The Doctor not to be bothered by it.
Why wouldn’t Molloy put up with that, though? He put up with it on TV. Carole Ann Ford has put up with the First Doctor Adventures and she’s still being asked to come back for classic series releases. I don’t see any difference. Michael, I get that you must love Terry Molloy’s performance but it is okay to let somebody else have a go, especially if they’ve had the role for a decade already.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 14, 2018 11:52:59 GMT
Why would they use Bleach in prior chronological stories? They have Molloy for the 'classic' Davros already. I don't think them using Molloy in a Time War would be a deal breaker for anyone, but since it's a New Series release it makes sense they'd approach the New Series Davros. I can't see Eight saving Davros in the midst of a temporal war zone just out of mercy, especially after what Davros did in Terror Firma. Even the fifth Doctor, the most compassionate of the Doctors, put a gun to Davros' head. Maybe eight did just do it out of hope, there's still a good story there. A glimmer of hope against the rising darkness of the Time War.
Why have two different actors playing the same role in different releases? It can only lead to confusion in the long-run. I can't see Big Finish doing it.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, it's a legacy part. I don't see why it would be confusing.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 11:56:15 GMT
I don't think Molloy would put up that, though. He's very fond of the role and he and Big Finish have a good relationship. I can't see him or Big Finish doing that.
The revival releases are going done very well and I think there are enough listeners curious about The Doctor that caught a glimpse of in The Night of The Doctor not to be bothered by it.
Why wouldn’t Molloy put up with that, though? He put up with it on TV. Carole Ann Ford has put up with the First Doctor Adventures and she’s still being asked to come back for classic series releases. I don’t see any difference. Michael, I get that you must love Terry Molloy’s performance but it is okay to let somebody else have a go, especially if they’ve had the role for a decade already.
But that was different, that was the BBC, not Big Finish. I can't see Big Finish even considering potentially jeapoderising what appears to be a great working relationship for fifteen years for another actor. The revival releases have gone down well and I imagine there's many a revival listener who wants to know the story of the sad hopeful Doctor in the dark and his journey through the Time War, there's the behind the scene feature to address the issue for those who have come to the release fresh, etc and I can see some fans being very alienated by it as well who are part of Big Finish's wheelhouse.(Not me. I let goooooooooooooooooooooooooo) It's not about my own feelings about Molloy's performance, just given how Big Finish operates, I can't see a Bleach recast happening in any capacity, really.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 12:00:01 GMT
Anyway, back on track, Davros himself in future Big Finish stories...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 12:23:34 GMT
At the end of the day im sure big finish woukd ask Molloy if they were considering using bleach out of respect. Thats the sort of company big finish are. Anyways apart from the time war i cant see mamy other gaps to use him though im sure big finish will find somewhere to use him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 12:36:41 GMT
At the end of the day im sure big finish woukd ask Molloy if they were considering using bleach out of respect. Thats the sort of company big finish are. Anyways apart from the time war i cant see mamy other gaps to use him though im sure big finish will find somewhere to use him. You could bend continuity and have him in a 10DA- after all, he does just seem to be kicking about the universe between Journey’s End and The Magician’s Apprentice. We also have no explanation as to how he survived Journey’s End, either (not that I’d want a story to cover inane ground such as that but the gap is there).
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Post by sherlock on Jun 14, 2018 12:41:20 GMT
At the end of the day im sure big finish woukd ask Molloy if they were considering using bleach out of respect. Thats the sort of company big finish are. Anyways apart from the time war i cant see mamy other gaps to use him though im sure big finish will find somewhere to use him. You could bend continuity and have him in a 10DA- after all, he does just seem to be kicking about the universe between Journey’s End and The Magician’s Apprentice. We also have no explanation as to how he survived Journey’s End, either (not that I’d want a story to cover inane ground such as that but the gap is there). Speaking of gap-filling there's also the small matter of how his mind recovered from the fractured state it was in in Terror Firma.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 12:44:23 GMT
I would like Davros to return to BF. As for which actor to cast, it seems Terry Molloy suits BF's classic Doctors, and Julian Bleach could feature alongside the Eighth Doctor and beyond. If both actors are up for it, of course. Apart from his Doctor Who appearances, Julian seems quite a private person. I'm not sure I've seen him interviewed, or make any personal Who appearances. Could be wrong, of course ...
I'd love for Davros to appear alongside the Fourth Doctor again. Apart from anything else, Tom Baker would then have acted alongside three different Davros actors. How to slot in his appearance alongside what we know of Genesis/Destiny/Resurrection of the Daleks ...any way that I can think of would seem somewhat contrived. Rescued from another prison-ship and then returned to it in time for Resurrection - that would seem a bit ham-fisted. The only other option is for them to meet up out of order - from sometime in Davros' future. Something not too specific, I think. After all, 'the story should come first', and a 4DA series finale featuring a return for the old ranter would guarantee a definite re-igniting of my interest for Doctor Who.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 12:51:55 GMT
You could bend continuity and have him in a 10DA- after all, he does just seem to be kicking about the universe between Journey’s End and The Magician’s Apprentice. We also have no explanation as to how he survived Journey’s End, either (not that I’d want a story to cover inane ground such as that but the gap is there). Speaking of gap-filling there's also the small matter of how his mind recovered from the fractured state it was in in Terror Firma.
We're getting to that with Eight. I'm in no hurry personally to see Davros emerge chronologically speaking, I really want the writers of Big Finish to explore that darkness. I'm fine with no 'gap' apperance by Davros, though - I think it works better with The Doctor's onscreen development since Journey's End.
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Post by number13 on Jun 14, 2018 16:55:27 GMT
Since there are two actors... wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey... The Two Davroses. Actually, the one-and-only Davros meets himself. Probably the galaxy's biggest mutual admiration society meeting ever to start with ('Am I not a genius?' 'Yes, I certainly am!') but something could go wrong with that. Even Davros must change his ideas over time.
Or has that already been done somehow with one actor, 'Mawdryn Undead' style?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 17:07:30 GMT
I must say, the thought of Terry Molloys' Davros turning up in the Time War would be as anachronistic as the Fifth Doctor doing Locum work in place of the War Doctor.
Difficult, amoral work to do, unworthy of the good Doctor's name? "Sorry, he's a bit busy at the moment, but don't worry, I'm here on cover today. I'm sure everything will be fine".
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