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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2018 22:21:39 GMT
Just my opinion The Part didn't need recasting in the 1st place, but now we've got 2, either Actor would work. Regards mark687 Well Michael Wisher is dead so even if it hadn't been recast he would of course not be available now.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 14, 2018 22:25:38 GMT
Just my opinion The Part didn't need recasting in the 1st place, but now we've got 2, either Actor would work. Regards mark687 Well Michael Wisher is dead so even if it hadn't been recast he would of course not be available now. I walked into that one
I meant Terry didn't need replacing for the modern series
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Post by sherlock on Jun 14, 2018 22:34:24 GMT
Well Michael Wisher is dead so even if it hadn't been recast he would of course not be available now. I walked into that one
I meant Terry didn't need replacing for the modern series
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If I remember rightly, I remember reading somewhere that there were health reasons which meant Molloy couldn't wear the costume, so him being re-cast was kind of out of necessity. I think they did consider him at one point.
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Post by fantasticalice on Jun 15, 2018 0:00:08 GMT
Why wouldn’t Molloy put up with that, though? He put up with it on TV. Carole Ann Ford has put up with the First Doctor Adventures and she’s still being asked to come back for classic series releases. I don’t see any difference. Michael, I get that you must love Terry Molloy’s performance but it is okay to let somebody else have a go, especially if they’ve had the role for a decade already.
But that was different, that was the BBC, not Big Finish. I can't see Big Finish even considering potentially jeapoderising what appears to be a great working relationship for fifteen years for another actor. The revival releases have gone down well and I imagine there's many a revival listener who wants to know the story of the sad hopeful Doctor in the dark and his journey through the Time War, there's the behind the scene feature to address the issue for those who have come to the release fresh, etc and I can see some fans being very alienated by it as well who are part of Big Finish's wheelhouse.(Not me. I let goooooooooooooooooooooooooo) It's not about my own feelings about Molloy's performance, just given how Big Finish operates, I can't see a Bleach recast happening in any capacity, really.
More specifically why would a small company go out of their way to make a sale agreement with an actor for a role they already have cast? They have been known to spend years coordinating agreements with actors for prospective projects. Why would they do that on a role that they already have a working relationship with? Alsl the First Doctor adventures have nothing to do with the CCs or Early Adventures. Nick has been working on that since 2013. Also I might add since before several EAs were released and/or recorded. And that was for a unique concept and to do things they specifically didn't feel they could with the EAs and CCs. Why would they spend time, effort, and money to court an additional actor for a single role that they already have filled? It's not like a time lord part. It's the VOICE of Davros. A role Tery Molloy has done for 15 years to loving acclaim. Whereas Bleach has played a physical performance of Davros twice. This is a rather surreal argument to be makin about a small company like BF.
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Post by bobod on Jun 15, 2018 2:47:54 GMT
They did Travis in the Blake's 7 audios.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 9:11:06 GMT
Why would they spend time, effort, and money to court an additional actor for a single role that they already have filled? It's not like a time lord part. It's the VOICE of Davros. A role Tery Molloy has done for 15 years to loving acclaim. Whereas Bleach has played a physical performance of Davros twice. This is a rather surreal argument to be makin about a small company like BF. The only reason I can think of is so they can make a selling point of having the 'new series Davros' as opposed simply to 'another performance from Terry Molloy.' It would be a reason for some additional publicity, if nothing else.
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Post by ollychops on Jun 15, 2018 11:58:47 GMT
Back in Chicago TARDIS in 2013, Terry said that Julie Gardner rang him up to let him know they were bringing Davros back, and she was surprised that he was happy to pass the baton along and he pointed out that he didn’t own the role. So, I can’t see him being that bothered if they go with Bleach for the Time War/New Series releases and keeping him as the “Classic” Davros.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 12:27:52 GMT
Back in Chicago TARDIS in 2013, Terry said that Julie Gardner rang him up to let him know they were bringing Davros back, and she was surprised that he was happy to pass the baton along and he pointed out that he didn’t own the role. So, I can’t see him being that bothered if they go with Bleach for the Time War/New Series releases and keeping him as the “Classic” Davros. Yes. Fandom is more bothered about this than Molloy! He is an actor, who has played a lot of different parts. Davros being just one of them. As with most issues like this fans are far more obsessive than the actors! For many it was just another acting job.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2018 16:25:10 GMT
Back in Chicago TARDIS in 2013, Terry said that Julie Gardner rang him up to let him know they were bringing Davros back, and she was surprised that he was happy to pass the baton along and he pointed out that he didn’t own the role. So, I can’t see him being that bothered if they go with Bleach for the Time War/New Series releases and keeping him as the “Classic” Davros. Yes. Fandom is more bothered about this than Molloy! He is an actor, who has played a lot of different parts. Davros being just one of them. As with most issues like this fans are far more obsessive than the actors! For many it was just another acting job. Agreed. I won't be the first to observe how this thread has become sidelined as to the validity of bringing back Davros (what a political campaign slogan) for reasons other than that his presence no doubt sells, towards getting in a twist as to whether one actor or the other may be a bit put out by casting decisions. Terry Malloy, like Louise Jameson & Katy Manning, has proven himself a versatile name for Big Finish who I assume from his resume, likes to tackle different projects for them and is a reliable name for listeners. He won't lose any work through potential stories connected with the revived series, I should think. There are some good ideas on this thread regards exploring Davros in the Time War, and his survival and role in resurrecting the Daleks - there would also seem to be leeway in terms of exploring how he changed to the more cybernetic incarnation we have witnessed in the new series, one who can donate his organic components as genetic material for new, pure Daleks, as was shown. Such opportunities suggest that Julian Bleach would be the casting choice. Unless of course there is room for more of Davros in the Classic series chronology, which still seems debatable.
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Post by mbt66 on Jun 16, 2018 10:17:04 GMT
Most fans of the new series will not have seen much of Davros outside of his two appearances in the new series, so will not be tired of him. It will be the appearance of Bleach on any cover art that may draw in new purchases in connection with any new audio to do with the new series, such as a Time War set or indeed War Master. His inclusion may be down to a simple choice of marketing, if it were to happen. The War Master vs Davros Yes please!! I do hope that Big Finish have plans...
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Post by mbt66 on Jun 16, 2018 10:26:31 GMT
I assume that an image of the new series Davros could be used on the cover for any Time War onwards story regardless of the actor playing the part?
It would seem odd to see (say) the Tenth Doctor on a CD cover along with Molloy as Davros from the Classic series.
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Post by constonks on Jun 16, 2018 15:35:46 GMT
Since there are two actors... wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey... The Two Davroses. Actually, the one-and-only Davros meets himself. Probably the galaxy's biggest mutual admiration society meeting ever to start with ('Am I not a genius?' 'Yes, I certainly am!') but something could go wrong with that. Even Davros must change his ideas over time.
Or has that already been done somehow with one actor, 'Mawdryn Undead' style?
A story could explain the difference between the two in some way. If you want to get crazy with the continuity (to a level that Big Finish never really does) there are three outcomes for Davros after Remembrance - War of the Daleks, Daleks Among Us & Terror Firma - and three living Davros actors (Molloy, Gooderson and Bleach). Battle of the Davroses?
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Post by kennysmith on Jun 16, 2018 16:48:55 GMT
Speaking of gap-filling there's also the small matter of how his mind recovered from the fractured state it was in in Terror Firma.
We're getting to that with Eight. I'm in no hurry personally to see Davros emerge chronologically speaking, I really want the writers of Big Finish to explore that darkness. I'm fine with no 'gap' apperance by Davros, though - I think it works better with The Doctor's onscreen development since Journey's End.
You say Eight. I took that as the Eight, from Doom Coalition. Had to go back and reread!
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Post by barnabaslives on Jun 16, 2018 19:04:18 GMT
Back in Chicago TARDIS in 2013, Terry said that Julie Gardner rang him up to let him know they were bringing Davros back, and she was surprised that he was happy to pass the baton along and he pointed out that he didn’t own the role. So, I can’t see him being that bothered if they go with Bleach for the Time War/New Series releases and keeping him as the “Classic” Davros. Yes. Fandom is more bothered about this than Molloy! He is an actor, who has played a lot of different parts. Davros being just one of them. As with most issues like this fans are far more obsessive than the actors! For many it was just another acting job. I hope I'm not obsessive about it, I just prefer Davros to be Molloy for probably the same reason as I prefer the Fifth Doctor to be Peter Davison or the Second Doctor to be Frazer in absentia of Patrick, for as long as they desire these roles - mainly seniority, and immense respect for the talents that made these characters as immortal as they are, and for those who worked closely with them. With Dayna in B7, I'm happy to embrace Yasmin as Dayna as long as I can feel certain that Josette was given a proper opportunity, and things are probably similar with other ranges in the long run. I also wouldn't be opposed to Molloy's Davros appearing in Time War stories if Big Finish and Terry happened to be so inclined - I'm probably not too likely to want to insist it would some sort of temporal faux pas, given the mind-bending arsenal of time-bending weaponry that has already become part of the Time War mythos, not to mention the generous supply of TARDISes involved. I certainly don't need it to happen (it's probably a bit late for me to harbor a "Malloy-or-nobody" sort of sentiment), but I don't see why it couldn't.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jun 16, 2018 21:54:24 GMT
I don't think Molloy or Bleach really "matters." They're supposed to be the same in-universe, unlike different incarnations of a Time Lord, and I think they're both excellent actors.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 0:22:28 GMT
I don't think Molloy or Bleach really "matters." They're supposed to be the same in-universe, unlike different incarnations of a Time Lord, and I think they're both excellent actors. We basically win either way. In terms of untapped gaps, I'm very curious about the state of things prior to The Magician's Apprentice. Trying to skirt around spoilers: his plan there implies the Daleks are trying to establish a new power base of sorts, but lack the resources to do so.
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Post by xlozdob on Jun 17, 2018 1:32:59 GMT
I don't think Molloy or Bleach really "matters." They're supposed to be the same in-universe, unlike different incarnations of a Time Lord, and I think they're both excellent actors. We basically win either way. In terms of untapped gaps, I'm very curious about the state of things prior to The Magician's Apprentice. Trying to skirt around spoilers: his plan there implies the Daleks are trying to establish a new power base of sorts, but lack the resources to do so. A story with Matt Smith as the Doctor would fill both that gap and them not having met. Fingers crossed
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 2:17:30 GMT
We basically win either way. In terms of untapped gaps, I'm very curious about the state of things prior to The Magician's Apprentice. Trying to skirt around spoilers: his plan there implies the Daleks are trying to establish a new power base of sorts, but lack the resources to do so. A story with Matt Smith as the Doctor would fill both that gap and them not having met. Fingers crossed Written by Dorney and Fitton, Jamie Anderson directing (a phrase that still gives me goosebumps)? I'd buy it in a double heartbeat.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Jun 17, 2018 5:53:27 GMT
We could also do with a bridge from Terror Firma to the Time War. Unless I'm forgetting a story.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2018 6:14:07 GMT
We could also do with a bridge from Terror Firma to the Time War. Unless I'm forgetting a story. Must be the influence of the "Completely ridiculous spinoff boxset ideas", but the first thought I had in my head was " Bridge to Terror Firma -- damn, wish I'd written that." I think that's a great idea. Paul McGann's voice popped into my head: "One radiation-lit midnight, sitting within his throne of polycarbide, the Emperor woke up and discovered he was no longer mad. For the usurper, forever feared from without, came from within. He knew nothing of his kingdom, his subjects or his rulings. Only of the enemy who knew his campaigns, who knew him. Who possessed the means to control or to destroy the fabric of his entire Empire." Actually, wouldn't that be interesting: Davros needing the Doctor to keep up the sham pretence, so the Daleks don't exterminate him on the spot. Cool, this placement's got serious legs.
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