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Post by elkawho on Oct 14, 2018 17:08:59 GMT
Hmm. I need to re-listen. For me it was a 5/4/2/2, but I was having a rough week. Might have been me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 17:22:23 GMT
Hmm. I need to re-listen. For me it was a 5/4/2/2, but I was having a rough week. Might have been me. Best not vote in any elections on your rough weeks😂
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 8:11:36 GMT
Dorney, Fitton, Adams The Power Of Three, The Three Who Rule.....see what i did there?.....anyone?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 8:13:45 GMT
Hmm. I need to re-listen. For me it was a 5/4/2/2, but I was having a rough week. Might have been me. I've done that, listened to a story when i couldn't give it my full attention & not thinking it particularly great until i gave it a second listen, hopefully you'll second listen will be a more enjoyable one of the last two stories.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 8:20:43 GMT
Dorney, Fitton, Adams The Power Of Three, The Three Who Rule.....see what i did there?.....anyone? It’s early and I haven’t had my coffee yet😂
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 8:35:54 GMT
my deliciously packaged Cd set arrived...can digest it tomorrow,again.
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Post by DavidHogan on Oct 16, 2018 11:39:12 GMT
While it certainly peaked with the great middle two-parter, the other two stories were fine too.
What is it with the Eighth Doctor and great Christmas Specials, eh?
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Post by elkawho on Oct 16, 2018 13:58:29 GMT
Ok, on second listen maybe the last 2 hours were better than I first though, however that's not saying much. I admit the first part of the 2-parter was pretty good, but I have some serious issues with the second part and giving it a 2/5. I'm still not a fan of the resolution, mostly because of the random "Wish Guy." The whole story is hinged on a character that comes out of nowhere, has no real introduction or explanation and then who acts as a deus ex machina to resolve the situation he has such joy at creating for no reason at all. And as much as I hate that landlord character (who is such a 2-D, caricature), Liv absolving Maria of all responsibility by telling that her decision to wish this horrible thing on the world is not her fault and blaming it all on that said landlord really bugs me. Basically, when someone horrible treats you like crap you have every right to also do horrible things. What a bleak and awful statement to have in a Doctor Who story. I give the first part a generous 4/5 mostly due to the interactions between the 3 leads, which I didn't even get much of in the second part. I really wanted to love this, since I am such a fan of Dorney's writing and think the basic premise and the use of the Krampus could have been great. But that's the thing, I expect so much more from him.
And I give the last episode a 3/5. Not for any reason other than it just didn't grab me.
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 16, 2018 16:50:48 GMT
Ok, on second listen maybe the last 2 hours were better than I first though, however that's not saying much. I admit the first part of the 2-parter was pretty good, but I have some serious issues with the second part and giving it a 2/5. I'm still not a fan of the resolution, mostly because of the random "Wish Guy." The whole story is hinged on a character that comes out of nowhere, has no real introduction or explanation and then who acts as a deus ex machina to resolve the situation he has such joy at creating for no reason at all. And as much as I hate that landlord character (who is such a 2-D, caricature), Liv absolving Maria of all responsibility by telling that her decision to wish this horrible thing on the world is not her fault and blaming it all on that said landlord really bugs me. Basically, when someone horrible treats you like crap you have every right to also do horrible things. What a bleak and awful statement to have in a Doctor Who story. I give the first part a generous 4/5 mostly due to the interactions between the 3 leads, which I didn't even get much of in the second part. I really wanted to love this, since I am such a fan of Dorney's writing and think the basic premise and the use of the Krampus could have been great. But that's the thing, I expect so much more from him. And I give the last episode a 3/5. Not for any reason other than it just didn't grab me. I understand where you are coming from. Yes, the wish guy might not have been the best tool in the story, but I somehow have the impression we won't have seen the last of him and he will play a bigger role in the future. I hope that this will also set the resolution here into perspective. I still think it is a great Christmas story, even if the fairy tale ending is THE chliche for Christmas stories. I actually would have been disappointed if it had not ended in such a way...so I think Dorney just wrote according to expectations (which can be a good or a bad thing, depending on your expectations I guess). As for the "horrible" message in a Doctor Who story... well, it is not the first time this awful message is presented to us, just look at the Family of Blood, the removal of Harriet Jones as Prime Minister or the subconscious message that made all of humanity unknowing murderers who kill the Silence on sight.... if it was necessary to repeat this in a Christmas story is another story...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 18:50:24 GMT
I love the comments but you know what...I still love the stories.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 20:01:47 GMT
Am now listening to the cd on the stereo for first time and Seizure is great.A dying Tardis,a Female murdered timelady who hasn’t mentioned she used to be a man ( unusual) a feisty Liv against the Ravenous and a Helen who isn’t afraid to call out the Doctor for being an ass.i just enjoy the soundscape of the dying Tardis reconfiguring to protect the Doctor ,Liv and Helen.A grotesque figure skulking in the shadows and its first shuddering introduction to Liv.Its just lovely 🤪 A Tardis possibly going insane or on the edge of its sanity.Marvellous stuff,I like an audio that gives me more visuals with each listen. I must say this is an audio box set I have been constantly enjoying.But its my taste and my taste isn’t everyone else’s.
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Post by number13 on Oct 17, 2018 0:41:36 GMT
For me the Krampus story worked brilliantly because it is all a Doctor Who fairytale, from the Scrooge landlord to the happy ending, with characters as impossibly good/bad as those in 'A Christmas Carol', in an unreal fairytale version of an Austria which apparently has no welfare or charities to help the homeless. And it has lots of references to 'The Sound of Music', 'A Christmas Carol' and 'A Wonderful Life' - and even 'The Morecambe and Wise Christmas Show' (which for 1970s UK viewers was as essential as turkey and Christmas pudding.) And Saint Nicholas not only defeats the Krampus (because the Krampus knows he can because tradition says so) but stays for dinner!
To look at it from a more usual DW angle in which everything needs a 'scientific' explanation, I did have an idea about the 'wish granter'. He's not explained, but hinted at by the Doctor, who says there are aliens who can bend reality. I think he's a Word Lord like Nobody Noone (who was known as The Word Lord but was really not the definite article.) This Word Lord requires a wish to be spoken to give him the power to shift reality, in a similar way that the other Word Lord needed the use of his name to give him power. And he does it for the same reason - because he can.
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Post by kinghumble on Oct 17, 2018 3:51:21 GMT
Just finished - have to say, the final scene of the fourth episode? Seconds before they find the control room? When the trio has just reunited, is walking down a corridor only to suddenly be attacked by the Ravenous? I critique their performances! They said they were running, they commented that the Ravenous was closing the distance with them at speed, but none of them sounded like they were running, or like they were breathing hard, nothing! Just talking excitedly. A minor complaint, maybe, but I get the feeling that Sheridan Smith would've covered such a simple base.
Otherwise - I enjoyed this set pretty well. The Ravenous certainly remind me of the Master in The End of Time. If we had Time-Travel in real-life, I'd go back and advise Russell T Davies to throw in a throw-away line of dialogue that the Doctor was concerned the Master may have somehow been corrupted by Ravenous DNA or something
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 17, 2018 6:41:03 GMT
For me the Krampus story worked brilliantly because it is all a Doctor Who fairytale, from the Scrooge landlord to the happy ending, with characters as impossibly good/bad as those in 'A Christmas Carol', in an unreal fairytale version of an Austria which apparently has no welfare or charities to help the homeless. And it has lots of references to 'The Sound of Music', 'A Christmas Carol' and 'A Wonderful Life' - and even 'The Morecambe and Wise Christmas Show' (which for 1970s UK viewers was as essential as turkey and Christmas pudding.) And Saint Nicholas not only defeats the Krampus (because the Krampus knows he can because tradition says so) but stays for dinner!
To look at it from a more usual DW angle in which everything needs a 'scientific' explanation, I did have an idea about the 'wish granter'. He's not explained, but hinted at by the Doctor, who says there are aliens who can bend reality. I think he's a Word Lord like Nobody Noone (who was known as The Word Lord but was really not the definite article.) This Word Lord requires a wish to be spoken to give him the power to shift reality, in a similar way that the other Word Lord needed the use of his name to give him power. And he does it for the same reason - because he can.
Well, concerning Austria and the welfare... Since I am living there right now.... yes, of course this was a bit overdone and is not that extreme in real life (I think this part of the story had the US in mind). BUT to be fair, burocrazy is insane over here and I am friends with some people who are currently unemployed and have trouble with rent and landlords. Especially here in Vienna, where there is a boom in building luxury apartments and pulling old buildings down... it is not that far from reality, I am afraid.
Charities are actually handing out SLEEPING BAGS (for sleeping outside) for the homeless in winter... it is quite dire.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 6:47:32 GMT
For me the Krampus story worked brilliantly because it is all a Doctor Who fairytale, from the Scrooge landlord to the happy ending, with characters as impossibly good/bad as those in 'A Christmas Carol', in an unreal fairytale version of an Austria which apparently has no welfare or charities to help the homeless. And it has lots of references to 'The Sound of Music', 'A Christmas Carol' and 'A Wonderful Life' - and even 'The Morecambe and Wise Christmas Show' (which for 1970s UK viewers was as essential as turkey and Christmas pudding.) And Saint Nicholas not only defeats the Krampus (because the Krampus knows he can because tradition says so) but stays for dinner!
To look at it from a more usual DW angle in which everything needs a 'scientific' explanation, I did have an idea about the 'wish granter'. He's not explained, but hinted at by the Doctor, who says there are aliens who can bend reality. I think he's a Word Lord like Nobody Noone (who was known as The Word Lord but was really not the definite article.) This Word Lord requires a wish to be spoken to give him the power to shift reality, in a similar way that the other Word Lord needed the use of his name to give him power. And he does it for the same reason - because he can.
Well, concerning Austria and the welfare... Since I am living there right now.... yes, of course this was a bit overdone and is not that extreme in real life (I think this part of the story had the US in mind). BUT to be fair, burocrazy is insane over here and I am friends with some people who are currently unemployed and have trouble with rent and landlords. Especially here in Vienna, where there is a boom in building luxury apartments and pulling old buildings down... it is not that far from reality, I am afraid.
Charities are actually handing out SLEEPING BAGS (for sleeping outside) for the homeless in winter... it is quite dire.
I think situation is dire here too my parents both work taking care of the homeless with their friends and they are all over 70 years of age. But they are helped by stores and also donations of sleeping bags especially after big outdoor concerts like T in The Park
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Post by relativetime on Oct 17, 2018 6:48:34 GMT
Just finished - have to say, the final scene of the fourth episode? Seconds before they find the control room? When the trio has just reunited, is walking down a corridor only to suddenly be attacked by the Ravenous? I critique their performances! They said they were running, they commented that the Ravenous was closing the distance with them at speed, but none of them sounded like they were running, or like they were breathing hard, nothing! Just talking excitedly. A minor complaint, maybe, but I get the feeling that Sheridan Smith would've covered such a simple base.
Otherwise - I enjoyed this set pretty well. The Ravenous certainly remind me of the Master in The End of Time. If we had Time-Travel in real-life, I'd go back and advise Russell T Davies to throw in a throw-away line of dialogue that the Doctor was concerned the Master may have somehow been corrupted by Ravenous DNA or something To be fair, if I could go back in time, I'd advise Russell to do a whole lot of things differently about Simm's Master... But, it is what it is. I'm just hopeful that when Big Finish finally get their hands on him, we'll get a whole lot more exploration of Simm's Master and why he seemed so unstable compared to the other Masters/Mistresses.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 13:22:53 GMT
Now Mr Dorney-use your charms to get Anna Chancellor and Roger Allam into Ravenous. Make my day
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Post by IndieMacUser on Oct 17, 2018 16:22:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 16:25:21 GMT
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Post by number13 on Oct 18, 2018 0:08:54 GMT
Seizure OK I knew I was taking a risk with my nerves by listening to a Guy Adams ghost/horror story late at night, with headphones, in near-darkness... and oh wow! Excellent! 5* I love ghost stories (my username IS a ghost story in case you didn't know that already) and this episode evokes the ghost/horror genre brilliantly, with a setting and a type of ghost that only 'Doctor Who' can do. A dying TARDIS for the haunted house, a matrix memory trace of her dead pilot for the ghost, eleven crazy inhabitants in one (fantastic Eleven again from Mark Bonnar) and a monster stalking the halls - what more could you ask for?
And seriously brilliant sound design and direction combining with the great performances to give me a few real jump-scares, top work all round! (And a cliff-hanger to finish... very much looking forward to 'Ravenous 3'.)
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