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Post by sherlock on Feb 27, 2019 15:55:30 GMT
Better Watch Out and Fairytale of Salzburg
That was quite good. A very seasonal piece (that of course is completely off season by the time I’ve got round to listening to it) with a strong plot that I will probably listen to again come December. As for the wishmaker, I can accept the lack of explanation due to the fairytale trappings of the rest of the story.
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Post by sherlock on Feb 27, 2019 16:48:19 GMT
Seizure
Thought that was quite an effective debut for the Ravenous all in all. Quite the cliffhanger as well, roll on April.
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Post by randomcomments on Apr 27, 2019 14:34:48 GMT
Rather exasperated by the Christmas 2-parter. If you're going to include the actual Saint Nick- not "it's Santa!" like the 12th Doctor stories, but the literal, actual Bishop- he should actually be saying Christian things. He's not going to insist, in the face of an apparent demon, that he is a good and charitable man. Like St. Paul, he knew he was not. Instead, he's going to talk about having been redeemed by the blood of Jesus. He's not going to just say vague things about a lord or a father or a judge. I mean, Nick's other claim to fame is slapping a heretic in the face re: Christ's divinity. He's not going to be vague here. Similarly, it might have been nice to have the difference between the Nicholas v. Krampus/good kids v. bad kids idea and the mercy for people unworthy-by-their-merits idea of Christmas actually pointed out. And that only one of those two is actually believed as a point of faith. Also, Liv's future human colony is at a point where even after some 35 Doctor Who adventures, she hasn't heard of Christ or Mass or the Christmas story or even the Christmas of even the secular tradition? She's from what, 900 years in the future? Really? *sigh* I get that there are several reasons one might not want to throw explicit Christian theology into one's Doctor Who stories, but maybe you shouldn't make your story's resolution hinge on literal Saint Nicholas confronting a demon in that case. Ah, well. I've enjoyed most of this run on its merits, and it's not enough to put me off the rest of the stories.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2020 11:26:13 GMT
Rather exasperated by the Christmas 2-parter. If you're going to include the actual Saint Nick- not "it's Santa!" like the 12th Doctor stories, but the literal, actual Bishop- he should actually be saying Christian things. He's not going to insist, in the face of an apparent demon, that he is a good and charitable man. Like St. Paul, he knew he was not. Instead, he's going to talk about having been redeemed by the blood of Jesus. He's not going to just say vague things about a lord or a father or a judge. I mean, Nick's other claim to fame is slapping a heretic in the face re: Christ's divinity. He's not going to be vague here. Similarly, it might have been nice to have the difference between the Nicholas v. Krampus/good kids v. bad kids idea and the mercy for people unworthy-by-their-merits idea of Christmas actually pointed out. And that only one of those two is actually believed as a point of faith. Also, Liv's future human colony is at a point where even after some 35 Doctor Who adventures, she hasn't heard of Christ or Mass or the Christmas story or even the Christmas of even the secular tradition? She's from what, 900 years in the future? Really? *sigh* I get that there are several reasons one might not want to throw explicit Christian theology into one's Doctor Who stories, but maybe you shouldn't make your story's resolution hinge on literal Saint Nicholas confronting a demon in that case. Ah, well. I've enjoyed most of this run on its merits, and it's not enough to put me off the rest of the stories. I think and I know where you are coming from but nowadays to even have a hint of Christmas and Christ and include it in a two parter was an actually I won’t say brave but beautiful nod to its roots.I won’t go all theological .To have A Bishop Included who isn’t an object of ridicule but an actual a man of faith,I have heard a few BFs where I remember the person of faith was an object to be scorned almost am sure it was in a Benny range. I think it’s a wonderful two parter I think it’s inspiring frightening and memorable.As for Liz and her colony never hearing of Christmas how many in previous Communist blocks had never heard of it am sure many had it eradicated from their lives,never mind being from another planet and a planet where I sense MONEy and status where the gods lol. I give it top marks for even the mention of Christmas origins and let’s be honest there will be a Time Lock on anything to do with Jesus 😉 Because Leonardo didn’t dare look Relative Dimensions
All in all it’s a true Christmas period listen just for Helen alone getting to kick some imp ass out of the Tardis and a beautifully Wonderful Life type tale and the lovely(oh my god she is in everything😉) Sian Philips totally adds more than a hint of elegance to an already elegant {Spoiler} Helen
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Post by Kestrel on Dec 12, 2020 17:01:20 GMT
Honestly it's my favorite "Christmas story" in the franchise, by leagues and leagues. I loved the whole twist with Saint Nick (when I realized where they were going with the story I started grinning, and never stopped) but I suppose I may have felt different had I been a Christian. As it is, I think it's probably a good thing that he doesn't act like a bishop from EG first millennium, as that would probably make him too inaccessible and require too much explanation to work into the story. Maybe if the story was about Saint Nick, that'd work, but it's not--he's incidental. More of a "guest star" than a yt hing else, and in that capacity i think he's utilized brilliantly.
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Post by tuigirl on Dec 12, 2020 18:08:56 GMT
Honestly it's my favorite "Christmas story" in the franchise, by leagues and leagues. I loved the whole twist with Saint Nick (when I realized where they were going with the story I started grinning, and never stopped) but I suppose I may have felt different had I been a Christian. As it is, I think it's probably a good thing that he doesn't act like a bishop from EG first millennium, as that would probably make him too inaccessible and require too much explanation to work into the story. Maybe if the story was about Saint Nick, that'd work, but it's not--he's incidental. More of a "guest star" than a yt hing else, and in that capacity i think he's utilized brilliantly. I had exactly the same reaction when I first listened!
Well, for one, the real Saint Nick was quite a brawler and had a very "hands-on" approach to preaching.... (as evidenced by his skull and the healed fractures of nose and face).
He also was generous, loved to play pranks on people and he was especially kind to children (he did indeed hide little presents for kids as a surprise).
No wonder so many stories survive of his antics and of his kindness and generosity- but he also was far from a push-over.
He makes for a great and lovable early Christianity cheeky action hero.
I think he would be a really great and fun guy to meet if I ever get my hands on a time machine.
So in this story, he really should have taken charge more and been a bit more bold. But that would have taken away from the heroism of Helen, I would assume.
So in the end, we get a bit of a mish-mash of characterization.
I still enjoyed myself, even if I was slightly disappointed by the characterization of Saint Nick.
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Post by Kestrel on Dec 12, 2020 19:12:02 GMT
I get that. I think I'd be pretty down for a one-off story where the Doctor just meets Saint Nicholas, and that's it, that's the story. Maybe a good fit for the 6DAs? Or maybe the 1DAs, to make it easier to avoid the temptation of random alien monsters.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 10:14:49 GMT
If i was to choose one of The Ravenous sets as my favourite,I guess it would have to be Ravenous 2. We get a return to Kaldor and what that eventually produced in Robots Series and then we have three cracking tales.Better Watch Out/Fairytale if Salzburg and Seizure.Three Story’s that do not feature the Eleven and one that does and again.Less is More. After just recently visiting the wee Christmas Market in Glasgow (the Krampus Tales are fresh with all the food smells ,the wrapped up people,the lights curry wurst ,bratwursts and bread rolls)well its the closest i will get to Salzburg though i have fond memories of spending the day there in my teens on an Inter Rail journey through Europe (ah fun times). This still is a strong tale for me justice,retribution,some great monsters sand audio visuals and mystery. Sian Philips stands out between her and the Bishop and still I maintain the only time i have heard a man of Faith being treated with some respect .Normally the man of faith is an object of ridicule or used in the story to show how faith can fail.
All our Tardis Team are on fine form little moments add to it LIV finding out about Christmas and snow ,Mcganns narration of fairytale.For once Helen isnt the character out of place. A great set of tales and ideal holiday listening.
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Post by Kestrel on Dec 1, 2021 10:23:59 GMT
(Imagine me nodding vigorously.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 10:26:19 GMT
(Imagine me nodding vigorously.) Lol well if anything it flows for me entertains me and that’s NOt something that any listens really of Stranded have done for me at all,i feel almost guilty for not liking it but thankfully i have stories that do 😂
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Post by Kestrel on Dec 26, 2021 23:24:11 GMT
Can confirm: Fairytale is Salzberg is just as good on the relisten. Really wish we'd gotten some snow, instead of near-summer weather here, as that would've suited this story perfectly.
Though, I'll admit, I think the elf-voices are slightly more annoying the second go-round.
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Post by kennysmith on Dec 23, 2022 0:12:36 GMT
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