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Post by thethirddoctor on Jul 16, 2018 16:11:07 GMT
Only 8 million watched the World Cup Final on BBC. Average viewers were 8.57, with a peak of 10.26 million. So it is just slightly higher than you say. But it is interesting that you seem to be putting a negative spin on the amount of people who will have seen the Doctor Who trailer, which of course you didn't like.
I'm a little confused - you don't appear to listen to Big Finish, and you haven't liked Doctor Who for some years. I'm sure you're absolutely right in everything you say, but why keep coming back to a forum dedicated to Big Finish and Doctor Who?
My figures were from Overnights.com. They only gave ONE number. We don't know how many watched the teaser. You mean I'm not allowed to enjoy Classic Who?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 16, 2018 16:44:50 GMT
Average viewers were 8.57, with a peak of 10.26 million. So it is just slightly higher than you say. But it is interesting that you seem to be putting a negative spin on the amount of people who will have seen the Doctor Who trailer, which of course you didn't like.
I'm a little confused - you don't appear to listen to Big Finish, and you haven't liked Doctor Who for some years. I'm sure you're absolutely right in everything you say, but why keep coming back to a forum dedicated to Big Finish and Doctor Who?
My figures were from Overnights.com. They only gave ONE number. We don't know how many watched the teaser. You mean I'm not allowed to enjoy Classic Who? Then A) Your data was wrong and B) Nobody said you can't. You know full well what he means.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Jul 16, 2018 18:43:35 GMT
You mean I'm not allowed to enjoy Classic Who? No one has ever said that and please stop playing the victim card. In fact, I don't think I'm alone in saying we would love to see you writing about stuff you actually do enjoy. As opposed to almost exclusively telling us what you don't like. Over and over again.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jul 16, 2018 19:14:19 GMT
You mean I'm not allowed to enjoy Classic Who? No one has ever said that and please stop playing the victim card. In fact, I don't think I'm alone in saying we would love to see you writing about stuff you actually do enjoy. As opposed to almost exclusively telling us what you don't like. Over and over again. Once a classic episode is found and released on DVD, I'll scream it to the roof tops.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jul 16, 2018 19:15:18 GMT
My figures were from Overnights.com. They only gave ONE number. We don't know how many watched the teaser. You mean I'm not allowed to enjoy Classic Who? Then A) Your data was wrong and B) Nobody said you can't. You know full well what he means. A) It wasn't wrong. They only released that information on their twitter account. Where did you get your information?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 20:02:13 GMT
I am mindful of the latest post from the Moderators - re: Stop It seems irrational to come here and do ones dammnest to fall out with others just because they hold a different candle to the series. I can fully appreciate both sentiments as much of the criticism is echoed by casual viewers, but like many others here, cannot see why it should always come back to a bunfight for one or two. Live and let live guys. How about a conciliatory group watch through/listen of the likes of The Twin Dilemma, The Space Pirates et al to remind ourselves that there is pleasure to be had wherever others (casual fans) dare to be critical or dismissive? As they are classic Who the revived series is off limits. It would be more entertaining than the dead end of the current discussion. Edit: Five things we learned from the trailer. Just found this BBC news item.
The BBC show that there was much that passed over our heads when watching the trailer. Deep stuff. BBC News
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jul 16, 2018 20:44:47 GMT
I am mindful of the latest post from the Moderators - re: Stop It seems irrational to come here and do ones dammnest to fall out with others just because they hold a different candle to the series. I can fully appreciate both sentiments as much of the criticism is echoed by casual viewers, but like many others here, cannot see why it should always come back to a bunfight for one or two. Live and let live guys. How about a conciliatory group watch through/listen of the likes of The Twin Dilemma, The Space Pirates et al to remind ourselves that there is pleasure to be had wherever others (casual fans) dare to be critical or dismissive? As they are classic Who the revived series is off limits. It would be more entertaining than the dead end of the current discussion. Edit: Five things we learned from the trailer. Just found this BBC news item.
The BBC show that there was much that passed over our heads when watching the trailer. Deep stuff. BBC NewsI certainly sympathise with the frustration, and certainly said as much myself before, but alas, that's the nature of discussion sometimes. I forget who on here said it, but they said it's like a river, and trying to stop it or divert is a tough thing.
Honestly, it doesn't matter much anyway: Radio Times tomorrow, and SDCC shortly after. We'll all be forgetting this discussion soon anyway, so just kick back, grab a pint with Shaun's mum and wait till it blows over.
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Post by Whovitt on Jul 16, 2018 22:29:41 GMT
I found this fab trailer on the 'Doctor Who' site - odd place to put it but I loved it! ... The BBC's new food show looks great!! Full English brekkie, pizza, fish 'n chips : Tasty Artery-Restricting Dishes In Sequence.
(I believe there's a 'Doctor Who' trailer around somewhere too, anyone got a link? Oh well, I'm happy to wait for October. ) Welcome back! I don't think I've seen you around here for a few weeks now and was beginning to worry you'd left us.
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Post by analex on Jul 17, 2018 7:45:40 GMT
Honestly, I feel the comparsion to the Trip of a Lifetime trailer and the first Matt Smith trailer are a bit unfair. Trip of a Lifetime goal was to entice kids to Doctor Who - this exciting new program - and to entice parents who had grown up of Who but had grown wary given Who's reputation over the years or those who flat out didn't like it. It had to be bold and direct.The first Matt Smith promo had to sell the new leading man to an audience who had for the most part only experienced the show with David Teannet or hadn't experienced the change in Doctor directly for a long time. Rewatch that trailer now and notice how smaller and quieter it is by contrast, reassuring audiences that it's the same show, while exploring, teasing and celeberating the audacity of the difference, the all-new direction the show was moving in at the time to an audience both excited, fearful and wary of the difference.
It's 2018 and this the most radical shakeup the show has ever had and you can't pull the rabbit out of the hat the same way again. We've got an audience that has experienced three regenerations now with The Doctor(s) they've gone a journey with War (War was an exciting character and insight into The Doctor's past, but the audience didn't go on a long-term journey with him). In the UK, the show's mainstream audience didn't connect with the Calpadi years in the same they did, and for many, the change in gender is a BIG deal. Showcasing that The Doctor is still The Doctor as they've known them (and I have feeling Chibnall is going to subvert that and go with Classic Doctor, New Series 2.0. down the line in Thirteen's journey) and that the show is returning to it's brighter, more optimistic roots (which has always been part of the show since the beginning, it's an adventure show. Tom's alieness brought the edge, but it was there). If say, McGann had a full fledged series and Christopher Ecclestone's three year tenure as The Doctor hadn't connected with the audience in the same way and Moffatt was to launch Matt Smith, he would have done the same thing.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jul 17, 2018 10:40:26 GMT
Honestly, I feel the comparsion to the Trip of a Lifetime trailer and the first Matt Smith trailer are a bit unfair. Trip of a Lifetime goal was to entice kids to Doctor Who - this exciting new program - and to entice parents who had grown up of Who but had grown wary given Who's reputation over the years or those who flat out didn't like it. It had to be bold and direct.The first Matt Smith promo had to sell the new leading man to an audience who had for the most part only experienced the show with David Teannet or hadn't experienced the change in Doctor directly for a long time. Rewatch that trailer now and notice how smaller and quieter it is by contrast, reassuring audiences that it's the same show, while exploring, teasing and celeberating the audacity of the difference, the all-new direction the show was moving in at the time to an audience both excited, fearful and wary of the difference. It's 2018 and this the most radical shakeup the show has ever had and you can't pull the rabbit out of the hat again. We've got an audience that has experienced three regenerations now with The Doctor(s) they've gone a journey with War (War was an exciting character and insight into The Doctor's past, but the audience didn't go on a long-term journey with him). In the UK, the show's mainstream audience didn't connect with the Calpadi years in the same they did, and for many, the change in gender is a BIG deal. Showcasing that The Doctor is still The Doctor as they've known them (and I have feeling Chibnall is going to subvert that and go with Classic Doctor, New Series 2.0. down the line in Thirteen's journey) and that the show is returning to it's brighter, more optimistic roots (which has always been part of the show since the beginning, it's an adventure show. Tom's alieness brought the edge, but it was there). If say, McGann had a full fledged series and Christopher Ecclestone's three year tenure as The Doctor hadn't connected with the audience in the same way and Moffatt was to launch Matt Smith, he would have done the same thing. Why would they advertise it as the same show? The audience figures are on the floor. The only all-new direction I see is the female Doctor. The mainstream audience didn't connect with Capaldi for various reasons. Why they wouldn't do a trailer/teaser with more, remains a mystery to me(and others). There are still many fans sitting on the fence about wanting a female Doctor. This did nothing for them.
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Post by analex on Jul 19, 2018 4:58:37 GMT
Honestly, I feel the comparsion to the Trip of a Lifetime trailer and the first Matt Smith trailer are a bit unfair. Trip of a Lifetime goal was to entice kids to Doctor Who - this exciting new program - and to entice parents who had grown up of Who but had grown wary given Who's reputation over the years or those who flat out didn't like it. It had to be bold and direct.The first Matt Smith promo had to sell the new leading man to an audience who had for the most part only experienced the show with David Teannet or hadn't experienced the change in Doctor directly for a long time. Rewatch that trailer now and notice how smaller and quieter it is by contrast, reassuring audiences that it's the same show, while exploring, teasing and celeberating the audacity of the difference, the all-new direction the show was moving in at the time to an audience both excited, fearful and wary of the difference. It's 2018 and this the most radical shakeup the show has ever had and you can't pull the rabbit out of the hat again. We've got an audience that has experienced three regenerations now with The Doctor(s) they've gone a journey with War (War was an exciting character and insight into The Doctor's past, but the audience didn't go on a long-term journey with him). In the UK, the show's mainstream audience didn't connect with the Calpadi years in the same they did, and for many, the change in gender is a BIG deal. Showcasing that The Doctor is still The Doctor as they've known them (and I have feeling Chibnall is going to subvert that and go with Classic Doctor, New Series 2.0. down the line in Thirteen's journey) and that the show is returning to it's brighter, more optimistic roots (which has always been part of the show since the beginning, it's an adventure show. Tom's alieness brought the edge, but it was there). If say, McGann had a full fledged series and Christopher Ecclestone's three year tenure as The Doctor hadn't connected with the audience in the same way and Moffatt was to launch Matt Smith, he would have done the same thing. Why would they advertise it as the same show? The audience figures are on the floor. The only all-new direction I see is the female Doctor. The mainstream audience didn't connect with Capaldi for various reasons. Why they wouldn't do a trailer/teaser with more, remains a mystery to me(and others). There are still many fans sitting on the fence about wanting a female Doctor. This did nothing for them.
Okay, I'm really confused to what era of the show your refering to here.
The ratings in the Tenth Doctor era were not on the floor, they went pretty much from strength to strength, cultimanting in 12 million viewers for both installments of the The End of Time. The introduction of Matt Smith and The Eleventh Doctor era was a success and the ratings for The Big Bang were only lower then usual because it ran up agasint the World Cup, with viewing figures being made up on Iplayer, as was the case of many subsquent Eleventh Doctor episodes and people embracing 'Catch Up' TV. You don't get a feature length anniversary special with a higher budget simitiously broadcast in several countries, cinemia showings and hire John Hurt if your not a ratings success. I'd suggest giving the Ninth/Tenth Doctor and Eleventh Doctor eras a rewatch - there VERY different tonally, with, with the Eleventh Doctor era moving away into fairytale and then into more typical sci-fi adventure series, then the more grounded take of the RTD era.
With the first Twelfth Doctor promos, yes, they did big up the mystery, but the first full-fledged trailer left viewers with a strong and distinct idea of Twelve's personality and his adventures. They was overseen by Steven Moffatt and his production team, who departed with Calpadi, completly seperate from new showrunner Chris Chibnall (Broadchurch) and his production team and the upcoming series. But, the first Twelfth Doctor promos were four years ago now and have no bearings on the new teaser or the upcoming series. A large majority have forgotten why they didn't connect with Twelve Doctor. Ears have been pricked by the upcoming series when Jodie was revealed.
Doing a callback to when the show was event television , while still being new and different (The Doctor putting aside the darkness of the past and embracing a brighter tommorow) is neccessary to reconnect with that audience, while showcasing the upcoming series (The Doctor being odd, strange and silly, the strange invading the everyday while showcasing that The Doctor has left the darkness behind and going off into adventure) and how different it will be to the audience. Chibnall is holding back given given he's relaunching the entire franchise for a large percent of the audience, letting viewers getting requiaitied with Who and piquing their curiosty. With the ComicCon trailer hitting the net VERY soon, I can't imagine a version of it won't make it onto British television screens afterwards, compared to other years.
Doctor Who has changed direction MANY times over the years with different producers with the change in lead leading to and pushing for a new direction. The change from the the impish maverick Second Doctor (Troughton) to the more contained gentlemenly scientist Third Doctor lead to a more grounded take with earthbound stories, the transition to Tom Baker's very alien Doctor lead to the series embracing gothic horror, Peter Davision taking up the role lead to the return of an edge and vulnerability to The Doctor and his companions on their adventures not seen since the First Doctor while embracing the new Doctor's youth, innoncence and passion as a new beginning, etc. But, if you look at the promotional material over the years, while showcasing this new direction, they still embraced the fundmentals of the show: time travel, strange kindly benelovent alien and monsters while showcasing how different the new era would be.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Jul 19, 2018 10:24:06 GMT
Why would they advertise it as the same show? The audience figures are on the floor. The only all-new direction I see is the female Doctor. The mainstream audience didn't connect with Capaldi for various reasons. Why they wouldn't do a trailer/teaser with more, remains a mystery to me(and others). There are still many fans sitting on the fence about wanting a female Doctor. This did nothing for them.
Okay, I'm really confused to what era of the show your refering to here.
The ratings in the Tenth Doctor era were not on the floor, they went pretty much from strength to strength, cultimanting in 12 million viewers for both installments of the The End of Time. The introduction of Matt Smith and The Eleventh Doctor era was a success and the ratings for The Big Bang were only lower then usual because it ran up agasint the World Cup, with viewing figures being made up on Iplayer, as was the case of many subsquent Eleventh Doctor episodes and people embracing 'Catch Up' TV. You don't get a feature length anniversary special with a higher budget simitiously broadcast in several countries, cinemia showings and hire John Hurt if your not a ratings success. I'd suggest giving the Ninth/Tenth Doctor and Eleventh Doctor eras a rewatch - there VERY different tonally, with, with the Eleventh Doctor era moving away into fairytale and then into more typical sci-fi adventure series, then the more grounded take of the RTD era.
With the first Twelfth Doctor promos, yes, they did big up the mystery, but the first full-fledged trailer left viewers with a strong and distinct idea of Twelve's personality and his adventures. They was overseen by Steven Moffatt and his production team, who departed with Calpadi, completly seperate from new showrunner Chris Chibnall (Broadchurch) and his production team and the upcoming series. But, the first Twelfth Doctor promos were four years ago now and have no bearings on the new teaser or the upcoming series. A large majority have forgotten why they didn't connect with Twelve Doctor. Ears have been pricked by the upcoming series when Jodie was revealed.
Doing a callback to when the show was event television , while still being new and different (The Doctor putting aside the darkness of the past and embracing a brighter tommorow) is neccessary to reconnect with that audience, while showcasing the upcoming series (The Doctor being odd, strange and silly, the strange invading the everyday while showcasing that The Doctor has left the darkness behind and going off into adventure) and how different it will be to the audience. Chibnall is holding back given given he's relaunching the entire franchise for a large percent of the audience, letting viewers getting requiaitied with Who and piquing their curiosty. With the ComicCon trailer hitting the net VERY soon, I can't imagine a version of it won't make it onto British television screens afterwards, compared to other years.
Doctor Who has changed direction MANY times over the years with different producers with the change in lead leading to and pushing for a new direction. The change from the the impish maverick Second Doctor (Troughton) to the more contained gentlemenly scientist Third Doctor lead to a more grounded take with earthbound stories, the transition to Tom Baker's very alien Doctor lead to the series embracing gothic horror, Peter Davision taking up the role lead to the return of an edge and vulnerability to The Doctor and his companions on their adventures not seen since the First Doctor while embracing the new Doctor's youth, innoncence and passion as a new beginning, etc. But, if you look at the promotional material over the years, while showcasing this new direction, they still embraced the fundmentals of the show: time travel, strange kindly benelovent alien and monsters while showcasing how different the new era would be.
Why are you referencing the high Tennant era ratings, when I'm clearing discussing the low Capaldi era ratings?
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