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Post by mark687 on Mar 10, 2019 13:20:21 GMT
Started on this, decided to save up my perceived favorite for last.... so started with UNIT and the Paternoster Gang. And what can I say? It was great. Better than I had expected. One question I have for you all- when is the UNIT adventure taking place? We have two Osgoods, but are these the ones from Series 8 or Series 9? Just wondering. Season 9 Kate mentions that they've already lost 1 Osgood
Regards
mark687
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 10, 2019 13:23:13 GMT
Started on this, decided to save up my perceived favorite for last.... so started with UNIT and the Paternoster Gang. And what can I say? It was great. Better than I had expected. One question I have for you all- when is the UNIT adventure taking place? We have two Osgoods, but are these the ones from Series 8 or Series 9? Just wondering. Season 9 Kate mentions that they've already lost 1 Osgood
Regards
mark687
Thanks! I must have paid not enough attention....
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Mar 10, 2019 13:52:46 GMT
Season 9 Kate mentions that they've already lost 1 Osgood
Regards
mark687
Thanks! I must have paid not enough attention.... It also revealed that it was a Zygon Osgood that died in Death in Heaven.
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Post by axelotl38 on Mar 10, 2019 15:49:40 GMT
{Narcissus Spoiler} Is it bad that I'm kinda relieved? I mean I get the entire point that each Zygon was equal, a Hybrid designed to create peace between both races and that it shouldn't matter who's human and who's not.....but it does very slightly take that edge off that it wasn't the original Zygon.
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Post by elkawho on Mar 10, 2019 16:22:10 GMT
I have to say that this was good, but not a good as I was hoping. Surprisingly, Narcissus was my favorite of the set, and while I enjoyed most of the set none of these stories were real stand-outs for me. And I don't really like the Ace/Benny story. It had it's good moments, but I couldn't help wonder why Benny was even there. It was an Ace story, plain and simple. That isn't a bad thing, but I was really hoping for more of a team up of the two. I did like the meeting of River and Leela and would love to hear these two talented ladies work together again.
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 10, 2019 16:47:47 GMT
Just finished it. Liked it, the set was better than I had expected and I am surprised I liked the stories I thought I would like the least the best. Interesting. My favorite has to be the Paternoster Gang, it really is a great teaser and makes you hungry for more. And surprisingly, the UNIT story came close second, it was great, loved that Zygon Osgood got some part of the action. All in all, well done.
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 10, 2019 16:48:45 GMT
I have to say that this was good, but not a good as I was hoping. Surprisingly, Narcissus was my favorite of the set, and while I enjoyed most of the set none of these stories were real stand-outs for me. And I don't really like the Ace/Benny story. It had it's good moments, but I couldn't help wonder why Benny was even there. It was an Ace story, plain and simple. That isn't a bad thing, but I was really hoping for more of a team up of the two. I did like the meeting of River and Leela and would love to hear these two talented ladies work together again. Funnily enough, I just thought exactly the same thing. I still liked it, though.
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 10, 2019 17:05:11 GMT
Yeah, I mentioned similar in my thoughts on Friday. It’s perhaps a mistake to have made it a Benny lite story, especially one in which she has little impact on the plot, for a set that’s meant to celebrate these characters. I did very much enjoy the story, though, it was mad!
It’s similar for Narcissus and the promotion making a big deal out of Osgood and her duplicate. In the end, not much is made of it, but we’re still told when the story is set and which Osgood died. They’re the sort of things that could be done better in a story more focused on that. Again, I still very much enjoyed the story.
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Post by Whovitt on Mar 11, 2019 12:55:01 GMT
I thought the set was alright, but nothing too exciting. It probably didn't help that I was practically falling asleep to The Big Blue Book, but the only really good episode in it was Emancipation, in my opinion. The Paternoster Gang episode was alright, though I felt more explanation as to what the 'essence' was and how it was harnessed was needed, as well as an explanation for why the side effects of consuming it occurred (or maybe I just missed that bit - after all, everyone seems to be talking about the confirmation of which Osgood was killed in Death in Heaven, and having finished the story 10 minutes ago I can safely say I don't recall hearing a single person mention it, and I wasn't even falling asleep during that one!). Anyhow, it wasn't a bad set, I think it was just bad timing on my part; I've been listening to some really outstanding stuff lately and this just didn't quite reach the same levels of awesome is all
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Mar 11, 2019 13:17:06 GMT
I thought the set was alright, but nothing too exciting. It probably didn't help that I was practically falling asleep to The Big Blue Book, but the only really good episode in it was Emancipation, in my opinion. The Paternoster Gang episode was alright, though I felt more explanation as to what the 'essence' was and how it was harnessed was needed, as well as an explanation for why the side effects of consuming it occurred (or maybe I just missed that bit - after all, everyone seems to be talking about the confirmation of which Osgood was killed in Death in Heaven, and having finished the story 10 minutes ago I can safely say I don't recall hearing a single person mention it, and I wasn't even falling asleep during that one!). Anyhow, it wasn't a bad set, I think it was just bad timing on my part; I've been listening to some really outstanding stuff lately and this just didn't quite reach the same levels of awesome is all It was in the last 20 minutes when Osgood is about to use Project Indigo to teleport onto the Alien ship. The Zygon Osgood that is recovering after posing as Jacqui McGee earlier in the story wants to go instead of the other Osgood and ZygOsgood says that they’ve already lost one Osgood and that they’re replaceable whereas the Osgood that’s using Project Indigo isn’t. Plus it’s kind of clear throughout the story that one is human and the other is Zygon but then it’s like it’s set before Death in Heaven until you get to the bit where they mention losing an Osgood.
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 11, 2019 13:50:34 GMT
It’s rather clumsily handled and if it wasn’t for Ingrid’s lovely performance, it would’ve been rather clunky bits of dialogue. I feel that these are revelations that would’ve been better served in sets or stories dedicated to Osgood and her Zygon duplicate; they feel rather wasted here.
It would be nice if we get a UNIT two parter or set with the duplicates of Osgood and Kate involved set directly after The Day of the Doctor, where it’s all explained to Sam, Josh and Shindi. A future story could have Osgood leading where she’s on her own following Death in Heaven, which we get hints of in The Zygon Invasion. Then we get and remain in post-The Zygon Inversion territory from there, which is where Narcissus comes into play and the explanations are a little less clunky as we’ve now experienced events prior to the story.
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Post by TinDogPodcast on Mar 11, 2019 14:05:17 GMT
Great set.
Sorry reviews have been sporadic.
Uploading asap
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Post by shallacatop on Mar 11, 2019 17:25:59 GMT
I’ve just got home to find the physical copy was delivered today. I do really like the thinner jewel case packaging, but it seems strange having just Vastra on the spine!
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Post by number13 on Mar 12, 2019 13:14:10 GMT
' Narcissus' - very good UNIT adventure story, but as a story based partly around identity theft there was an enormous alien elephant in the room (or whatever other animal it wanted to manifest as at that moment. ) Is what Zygon "Osgood" is doing 'right'?
Imo there's only one real Osgood and she's brilliant; any other "Osgood" is not real and personally I don't 'buy' the idea of total transformation to include the mind, memories, personality - everything.
But if one does accept they are truly identical (as long as the Zygon wants to be) does that suggest (as the story seems to in the early stages) that both 'versions' are somehow equally 'valid' - which is then contradicted by one (the Zygon one obviously) considering it/herself more expendable because replaceable. I'd have liked more discussion of this along the way because it raises a mind-spinning set of ideas and dilemmas!
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Mar 12, 2019 14:01:55 GMT
I don’t think Bonnie actually views herself as entirely identical to Petronella. At least there’s a lot about them that’s very much the same and causing issues for them both, but Bonnie seems to cling very much to her Zygon heritage and seems more callous than Petronella. Not to mention there were a few lines that hinted that they don’t share the same view on a lot of things, like how Bonnie doesn’t share Petronella’s feelings for Josh.
I reckon the first Zygon Osgood was probably exactly the same as Osgood though. Bonnie seems as though “Osgood” is more her job description than her identity.
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Post by Ricky on Mar 12, 2019 21:36:41 GMT
It's going to be a while until I listen to this, but do we have a general idea of when Emancipation takes place, relative to the Gallifrey series. And also when Big Blue Book is set?
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Mar 12, 2019 22:01:49 GMT
It's going to be a while until I listen to this, but do we have a general idea of when Emancipation takes place, relative to the Gallifrey series. And also when Big Blue Book is set? I don’t think there’s really any hints towards when Emancipation takes place. I don’t think it’s ever specified whether or not Romana is currently President and I don’t really remember anything specific being mentioned. Could really be anywhere before Time War 1. Big Blue Book again is vague in placement, I think most people just put it in the VNA era along with Shadow of the Scourge and The Dark Flame but it would be equally at home in the NABS era. Honestly I think Narcissus is the only story in the set where you can pin down a specific placement.
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Post by Who Review on Mar 15, 2019 8:36:58 GMT
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Post by fitzoliverj on Mar 15, 2019 18:14:18 GMT
The Zygon pretending to be Osgood is still a person, y'know...
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Post by glutamodo on Mar 15, 2019 19:54:18 GMT
Ugh, I must be, like, some ignorant male type. I must have missed (or forgotten) at the pre-order stage what this set was about. When listening to it, I rather thought it was another "Worlds of BF/DW" anniversary set... and not until I stared listening to the extras did it register the whole Gender Thing.
Was it good?... Well of course it was.
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