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Post by seeley on Nov 30, 2015 0:11:14 GMT
Ive never read the Cats Cradle trilogy, but I'd think Id be happy with that. Although if we can't have Lungburrow, which I would really love a Big Finish continuity tweaked audio adaption of. Then Cold Fusion would be my hope. I guess Marc Platt could be working on a project unrelated with Doctor Who? The thing is that if BF did do a continuity tweaked version most of the story would have to be chucked out since the longer the revived series continues the more the more esoteric for the sake of it elements are overwritten by canon. Okay, Who doesn't have an official canon but TV has primacy over all others. The entire Other is, if not wiped entirely, then heavily retconned by the simple fact of us seeing the First Doctor and Susan escape on screen. The Doctor's references to his childhood and being a father pretty much erase the loom nonsense. A BF version would need to be a definite alternate history, almost Unbound, and do it straight, or not at all. It doesn't fit and no amount of squinting will make it fit. Now, I haven't read Lungbarrow, but my understanding is that Gallifrey's curse of sterility is lifted at the end As for the Doctor's pedigree, the BBC books deal with that, in a way that isn't incompatible with the New Series.
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Post by Ela on Nov 30, 2015 3:48:17 GMT
The thing is that if BF did do a continuity tweaked version most of the story would have to be chucked out since the longer the revived series continues the more the more esoteric for the sake of it elements are overwritten by canon. Okay, Who doesn't have an official canon but TV has primacy over all others. The entire Other is, if not wiped entirely, then heavily retconned by the simple fact of us seeing the First Doctor and Susan escape on screen. The Doctor's references to his childhood and being a father pretty much erase the loom nonsense. A BF version would need to be a definite alternate history, almost Unbound, and do it straight, or not at all. It doesn't fit and no amount of squinting will make it fit. Now, I haven't read Lungbarrow, but my understanding is that Gallifrey's curse of sterility is lifted at the end As for the Doctor's pedigree, the BBC books deal with that, in a way that isn't incompatible with the New Series. Your spoiler matches what I understood happened, also.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Nov 30, 2015 21:40:08 GMT
The thing is that if BF did do a continuity tweaked version most of the story would have to be chucked out since the longer the revived series continues the more the more esoteric for the sake of it elements are overwritten by canon. Okay, Who doesn't have an official canon but TV has primacy over all others. The entire Other is, if not wiped entirely, then heavily retconned by the simple fact of us seeing the First Doctor and Susan escape on screen. The Doctor's references to his childhood and being a father pretty much erase the loom nonsense. A BF version would need to be a definite alternate history, almost Unbound, and do it straight, or not at all. It doesn't fit and no amount of squinting will make it fit. Now, I haven't read Lungbarrow, but my understanding is that Gallifrey's curse of sterility is lifted at the end As for the Doctor's pedigree, the BBC books deal with that, in a way that isn't incompatible with the New Series. Well, your spoiler is accurate as per the book BUT the events have existed since the Pythian days and THOSE are the events undone by the continued eroding of any relevance Lungbarrow has to continuity. The spoiler events are irrelevent in the light of all the foregoing. And how exactly do the BBC books deal with his pedigree? They couldn't handle the half human malarkey never mind the rubbish about who the Other is and looms. I'm not being sarky, I genuinely didn't think they'd managed to resolve that.
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Post by Zagreus on Nov 30, 2015 23:29:56 GMT
Not really a novel, but I'd dearly love for The Beast of Babylon to be adapted.
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Post by omega on Nov 30, 2015 23:45:50 GMT
And how exactly do the BBC books deal with his pedigree? They couldn't handle the half human malarkey never mind the rubbish about who the Other is and looms. I'm not being sarky, I genuinely didn't think they'd managed to resolve that. Indeed, the half-human thing was rubbished in an IDW comic, a ruse with the Chameleon Arch to mess with the Master. Then again, this was the same story that introduced The Moment as a key (like the Great Key of Rassilon, I type in the Great Forum Post of Rassilon) and obtained by the Eighth Doctor in his post-Dark Eyes persona. In defense of the comic, it was published in 2008/2009, probably long before Steven Moffat even thought about the basic plot of Day of the Doctor.
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Post by seeley on Dec 1, 2015 1:33:47 GMT
Now, I haven't read Lungbarrow, but my understanding is that Gallifrey's curse of sterility is lifted at the end As for the Doctor's pedigree, the BBC books deal with that, in a way that isn't incompatible with the New Series. Well, your spoiler is accurate as per the book BUT the events have existed since the Pythian days and THOSE are the events undone by the continued eroding of any relevance Lungbarrow has to continuity. The spoiler events are irrelevent in the light of all the foregoing. And how exactly do the BBC books deal with his pedigree? They couldn't handle the half human malarkey never mind the rubbish about who the Other is and looms. I'm not being sarky, I genuinely didn't think they'd managed to resolve that. Alien Bodies, the sixth book of the Eighth Doctor range, states that it's retroactive, if memory serves, and implies that it's the result of someone tampering with the Doctor's biodata. I am of the understanding that some later books, particularly Unnatural History, run with this. I haven't read the Compassion Arc yet, aside from the Banquo Legacy, but I believe that the Doctor's uncertain lineage is a significant factor. As for actually reconciling the disparate strands of Gallifreyan history, the Infinity Doctors takes a darned good stab at it. While it is set outside of normal continuity, the differences apply mostly to the Doctor (who is still somewhat uncertain about his birth) and the Master (sorry, "Magistrate.") Just about everything else sits quite nicely with main continuity. EDIT: I should add that Infinity Doctors has another explanation for the Doctor being half-human: It might well be the result of Omega changing the past, an ability he gained thanks to a TARDIS getting stuck at the edge of his domain, creating a crack in spacetime (considerably more benign than Series 5's) The latter event is apparently referred to in Seeing I, so it's part of at least two versions of the Doctor's history.
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Post by lidar on Dec 1, 2015 12:05:16 GMT
Was Lungbarrow ruled out? I seem to remember the odd denial at some point in the past, but I don't know if it was for the 5 upcoming releases. At BF Day 7 David Richardson said he'd asked Marc Platt, Marc Platt refused to adapt it himself, but was reluctant to let anyone else do it, this coupled with the mixed fan feeling about the book means its "Highly Unlikely-Never".
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I live in hope this may be a cunning bluff I do wonder though why the final adaptation is a secret. - Perhaps they had no signed contracts a the time of the announcement so they were keeping their options open? - Perhaps it is a marketing strategy to generate interest and increase sales? Whilst a secret will obviously generate interest, I'm not convinced that secret will tranlsate into increased sales once it is revealed - More cynically, perhaps it is one of the more controversial novels (like Lungbarrow) that a lot of fans may choose not to buy if they knew what it was, so getting them to buy it as part of a bundle before they know what novel is being adapted is a way of "tricking" people into buying it. Unlikely though as (a) I doubt BF would do something like that and (b) if there was any doubt over sales it probably wouldn't be adapted at all
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Post by Digi on Dec 1, 2015 23:06:13 GMT
I know the odds are vanishingly small, but I would like to see a proper full-cast adaptation of Engines of War, starring John Hurt. I'd already read the book, but I bought the Nick Briggs audiobook version a few days ago anyway, and it's maddeningly tantalizing of what might be.
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Post by Zagreus on Dec 2, 2015 1:18:05 GMT
I do wonder though why the final adaptation is a secret. I going to throw out a wild guess and say it's The Pit. There's a character within who shows up and helps Benny out that is, basically, Morpheus aka The Sandman, from Vertigo Comics. Keep in mind the author's contribution to Happy Endings was a mystical goth girl he swears isn't Death from the same comics series. Anyway, a tall skinny man with scruffy hair and a brown overcoat that is totally not Morpheus no sir shows up and helps Benny at a couple times throughout the novel. Years later, newer fans come to the books, and, having no context, are wondering who the heck this character is (he's not named in the text, for obvious reasons) and come to the fannish conclusion that this is The Tenth Doctor popping up to help Benny out of a tight spot, similar to Nine popping up in The Kingmaker. So, my wild theory is that, now they've got the New Series licence, as well as Tennant coming in to record stuff, that they are going to legitimize this fan idea and have The Pit, starring Seven and Benny, with a now expanded role for Ten to pop in and help Benny out after she and Seven get separated. The novel was brimming with interesting ideas that were rather let down by the prose, which wouldn't really be an issue in an audio adaption.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 6:48:06 GMT
I do wonder though why the final adaptation is a secret. I going to throw out a wild guess and say it's The Pit. There's a character within who shows up and helps Benny out that is, basically, Morpheus aka The Sandman, from Vertigo Comics. Keep in mind the author's contribution to Happy Endings was a mystical goth girl he swears isn't Death from the same comics series. Anyway, a tall skinny man with scruffy hair and a brown overcoat that is totally not Morpheus no sir shows up and helps Benny at a couple times throughout the novel. Years later, newer fans come to the books, and, having no context, are wondering who the heck this character is (he's not named in the text, for obvious reasons) and come to the fannish conclusion that this is The Tenth Doctor popping up to help Benny out of a tight spot, similar to Nine popping up in The Kingmaker. So, my wild theory is that, now they've got the New Series licence, as well as Tennant coming in to record stuff, that they are going to legitimize this fan idea and have The Pit, starring Seven and Benny, with a now expanded role for Ten to pop in and help Benny out after she and Seven get separated. The novel was brimming with interesting ideas that were rather let down by the prose, which wouldn't really be an issue in an audio adaption. That would be cool, sham the book was absolutely dire. Still, big finish can work wonders.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2015 13:13:07 GMT
The Wikipedia list states that the mystery release is to be a special three-disc adaptation of a novel. I'm not sure The Pit would exactly qualify and it leaves very few candidates left... What would be worthy of three discs worth of content? It's a long shot, but I wonder if it could be something like Time's Champion, Cold Fusion or So Vile a Sin?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Dec 2, 2015 14:56:39 GMT
if it is So Vile A Sin, then i would have to change number 5 on my list to:
Sleepy / Christmas on a Rational Planet (7th)
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Post by ulyssessarcher on Dec 20, 2015 3:01:19 GMT
The first novel I read was Legacy, and I loved it.
I would love the Timewyrm series done on audio, Genesis was good, Exodus was great, though the quality fell off a little from that, they were still overall great reads.
As for each Missing adventure doctor 1. Venusian Lullaby, I've read it twice and will hit it again. 2. Twilight of the Gods 3. The Scales of Injustice 4. The Shadow of Weng-Chiang(as the best one has already been done.) 5. GOTH OPERA. GOTH OPERA. GOTH OPERA. MAKE IT HAPPEN NOW BF, my favorite Virgin novel, read through 2 copies now. 6. State of Change
If I only get to pick one, then I want Goth Opera.
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Post by omega on Dec 20, 2015 3:13:58 GMT
The first novel I read was Legacy, and I loved it. I would love the Timewyrm series done on audio, Genesis was good, Exodus was great, though the quality fell off a little from that, they were still overall great reads. As for each Missing adventure doctor 1. Venusian Lullaby, I've read it twice and will hit it again. 2. Twilight of the Gods 3. The Scales of Injustice 4. The Shadow of Weng-Chiang(as the best one has already been done.) 5. GOTH OPERA. GOTH OPERA. GOTH OPERA. MAKE IT HAPPEN NOW BF, my favorite Virgin novel, read through 2 copies now. 6. State of Change If I only get to pick one, then I want Goth Opera. The problem with Shadow of Weng-Chiang is that the companion is Mary Tamm's Romana. Placing Lalla Ward's Romana in her place is doable, but would go against the idea of adapting the novel. Scales of Injustice also features companions who are no longer with us, and I can't see Big Finish recasting Liz or the Brig at this point. I'd say the main reason they recast Barbara, Ben and the first three Doctors was because the original actors not being around limited what BF was able to do with the characters, and the recasting was handled very carefully and sensitively. I'd love to hear an adaptation of Wolfsbane by Jacqueline Rayner for the PDAs (she's written lots of audios throughout the history of the company), but Liz Sladen and Ian Marter aren't available to do any recording.
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Post by bobod on Jan 8, 2016 13:25:03 GMT
Not on the H-Con website, no. But on the Facebook page, yes. H-Con are pretty slow updating their website which is rather annoying. Last time I spoke to David Tarrant (who's organising the event) about it, he said 'his web designer has been away filming and there is a lot of background work going on to get the other 3 event sites running'. This was back in October when I messaged him about updating the website with Peter and Matthew's appearances at the event. Here's the link for Matthew's appearance at H-Con here - www.facebook.com/HCon2015/photos/a.477595019059649.1073741828.476059609213190/546401528845664/?type=3&theaterTim. How did that event go, Tim?
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Post by Tim Bradley on Jan 8, 2016 15:33:44 GMT
Not on the H-Con website, no. But on the Facebook page, yes. H-Con are pretty slow updating their website which is rather annoying. Last time I spoke to David Tarrant (who's organising the event) about it, he said 'his web designer has been away filming and there is a lot of background work going on to get the other 3 event sites running'. This was back in October when I messaged him about updating the website with Peter and Matthew's appearances at the event. Here's the link for Matthew's appearance at H-Con here - www.facebook.com/HCon2015/photos/a.477595019059649.1073741828.476059609213190/546401528845664/?type=3&theaterTim. How did that event go, Tim? I didn't go to H-Con in the end. I'm not sure if Matthew Waterhouse went to H-Con in the end despite him being announced on Facebook. There doesn't seem to be any photos of him which is odd. There are photos of Peter and as I understand it went well. I'm waiting to hear more news of H-Con events coming in 2016 which I'm expecting there to be soon. Tim.
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Post by constonks on Jan 11, 2016 5:05:45 GMT
I know it's not likely, as it got a re-release in 2013, but now that Big Finish has Churchill, Players seems like it could be an interesting choice.
Vampire Science would be interesting, too, but I think BF is staying away from the EDAs.
And what about the Timewyrm quadrilogy (with cameos from other Doctors?)
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Jan 11, 2016 5:16:51 GMT
Infinity Doctors with Eccelston and McQueen and Thorne (if not Eccelston, Tennant or McGann). War of the Daleks (Jemima Rooper as Sam?) with value added Time War forewarnings. Illegal Alien, Cold Fusion, Taking of Planet Five (again, with value added Time Warsiness - maybe with Donald Sumpeter as "The President")
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Jan 11, 2016 14:07:07 GMT
War of the Daleks (Jemima Rooper as Sam?) with value added Time War forewarnings. She couldnt be Sam as she's already Izzy
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Post by aztec on Jan 11, 2016 16:00:40 GMT
Currently reading though the EDAs myself, and although I'd love to see a few (or preferably all ) of them adapted, I think the structure of some of the stories could prove a bit problematic... e.g. I recall Alien Bodies, The Scarlet Empress and The Blue Angel being very description heavy, with numerous side characters and first person point of view narration, condensing the plot or combining characters is necessary when adapting books to audio and easy enough for those experienced in the medium I suppose, capturing the style or tone of the writing could prove rather harder...some of the EDAs are quite long (looking at you Interference...) as well which doesn't help if you are trying to fit it onto two discs. It would also be interesting to see how B.F would work in or around, The Second War In Heaven, Romana III, Susan in Legacy Of The Daleks and the 'destruction' of Gallifrey when they have already explored similar areas in some of their audios-although the EDAs were written 'in house' by the BBC, and RTD stated it was a different War and Destruction, the BBC might be a little reluctant to allow BF to tackle the EDAs as it could undermine the War Doctor and the impact of the Time War on New Who. I mostly follow just the 8th Doctor on audio (it's not that I don't respect BF's work with the other Doctors, I just have a limited budget I can spend on B.F and I'm not very familiar with Doctors 5-7), so I can't really speak for how well/accurate the other adaptations turned out, but I really enjoyed Love And War, and I think the main barrier for adapting the EDAs or other BBC Novels could be rights issues (I think the BBC is re-releasing a few in audiobook form)...though if they can sign up John Hurt I don't think anything is completely impossible... I'd love to see this happen (if they got the rights to the EDAs there would probably be enough hypothetical adaptations to expand the Novel Adaptations into thei own monthly range...) or a the very least hear more of Fitz on audio...the 100ish years 8 spends in exile on Earth would also prove a goldmine for new stories... Is it possible The Dying Days could be the unannounced Adaptation for December?
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