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Post by aztec on Apr 1, 2016 13:19:01 GMT
I like those ideas (they could also clarify exactly which stories happened in the three year gap, tie War Of The Daleks in with the time war more directly and maybe drop in a sneaky reference or two to Grace in Vampire Science...), if they ever do adapt the Bodysnatchers it would also make sense for them to tweak it a little and bring in {Spoiler} Henry Gordon Jago as well as Lightfoot, I haven't listened to any of the J+L audios but given their vast number of appearances both with and without the doctors in Big Finish they would have to tweak the story a little anyway, it would be a shame for them not to include both... That would make sense, {Spoiler} Have one with Sam and the other with the Doctor maybe? i dunno lol
well i know for definite that the Radio Times stories with Stacy and Ssard are in that three year gap, but yeah i get what you mean. Actually thinking on it were those stories ever collected together? It's funny you mention splitting them, something I've noticed with the EDA's is the tendency for the companion and Doctor to usually be split very early in the story, it's a common trend in both audios and the tv series, but it just seems more prevalent in the novels so far... I haven't read any of the comics, but no I don't think the stacy/ssard stories were collected...given the rarirty of the source material and their appearance in {Spoiler} Placebo Effect (it's not one of the more popualr EDA's but still...) I wonder how BF would explain them... incidently I swear it was mentioned in a podcast once they were open to adapting some of the 1st or 4th Doctor comics...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 13:35:16 GMT
As an outgrowth of the Mars Program we saw in "Christmas Invasion" perhaps? maybe one of the astronauts could be a Zygon Very true. Also wouldnt it act as an off shoot of Red Dawn as well? since that involved a Mars program From memory it was the NASA space programme whereas this is a tried and true British installation that handled the whole situation in The Ambassadors of Death. Having a Zygon is an interesting idea, but you can't put anything other than human astronauts in the Mars expedition because it stuffs up the rest of Xznaal and Greyhaven's plot. However, there is a conspiracy buff that turns up by the name of Oswald. Make of that what you will... It's a pity that Ian Richardson has left us because Lance Parkin apparently based Greyhaven on Francis Urquhart from House of Cards. It really shows and in an incredibly positive way, everyone is brilliantly characterised from the one-shot Eighth Doctor to Xznaal. Everything from The Living Daylights reference where Eight is tossed out of the cargo bay of the Martian ship to his death to his running and dying into a poisonous cloud to save a single trapped cat from being injured turns into something truly amazing. That would make sense, Have one with Sam and the other with the Doctor maybe? i dunno lol
well i know for definite that the Radio Times stories with Stacy and Ssard are in that three year gap, but yeah i get what you mean. Actually thinking on it were those stories ever collected together? incidentally I swear it was mentioned in a podcast once they were open to adapting some of the 1st or 4th Doctor comics... The Challenge of the Piper or The Trodos Tyranny would make for a good Short Trip.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 1, 2016 13:44:03 GMT
That would make sense, {Spoiler} Have one with Sam and the other with the Doctor maybe? i dunno lol
well i know for definite that the Radio Times stories with Stacy and Ssard are in that three year gap, but yeah i get what you mean. Actually thinking on it were those stories ever collected together? It's funny you mention splitting them, something I've noticed with the EDA's is the tendency for the companion and Doctor to usually be split very early in the story, it's a common trend in both audios and the tv series, but it just seems more prevalent in the novels so far... I haven't read any of the comics, but no I don't think the stacy/ssard stories were collected...given the rarirty of the source material and their appearance in {Spoiler} Placebo Effect (it's not one of the more popualr EDA's but still...) I wonder how BF would explain them... incidently I swear it was mentioned in a podcast once they were open to adapting some of the 1st or 4th Doctor comics... Thats true, the books do have more of a tendency of splitting characters up. Guess its just to get more mileage out of the plot {Spoiler} works very well in Kursall
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 13:46:58 GMT
It's funny you mention splitting them, something I've noticed with the EDA's is the tendency for the companion and Doctor to usually be split very early in the story, it's a common trend in both audios and the tv series, but it just seems more prevalent in the novels so far... I haven't read any of the comics, but no I don't think the stacy/ssard stories were collected...given the rarirty of the source material and their appearance in Placebo Effect (it's not one of the more popualr EDA's but still...) I wonder how BF would explain them... incidently I swear it was mentioned in a podcast once they were open to adapting some of the 1st or 4th Doctor comics... Thats true, the books do have more of a tendency of splitting characters up. Guess its just to get more mileage out of the plot works very well in Kursall And Seeing I. It seems to be the best way to get mileage out of the novels actually. You can do two conterminous plot threads, switching from one to the other whenever you as the writer get bored.
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Post by aztec on Apr 1, 2016 13:50:53 GMT
Thats true, the books do have more of a tendency of splitting characters up. Guess its just to get more mileage out of the plot works very well in Kursall And Seeing I. It seems to be the best way to get mileage out of the novels actually. You can do two conterminous plot threads, switching from one to the other whenever you as the writer get bored. Ah, Seeing I...what I'd give for that to be adapted... I'll never understand why the Orman's haven't (as far as I know) been approached to write for McGann's audios...
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 1, 2016 13:53:10 GMT
All very true
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 19:57:11 GMT
And Seeing I. It seems to be the best way to get mileage out of the novels actually. You can do two conterminous plot threads, switching from one to the other whenever you as the writer get bored. Ah, Seeing I...what I'd give for that to be adapted... I'll never understand why the Orman's haven't (as far as I know) been approached to write for McGann's audios... Maybe someone should pop over to Gallifrey Base and ask.
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Post by newt5996 on Apr 1, 2016 20:45:29 GMT
And Seeing I. It seems to be the best way to get mileage out of the novels actually. You can do two conterminous plot threads, switching from one to the other whenever you as the writer get bored. Ah, Seeing I...what I'd give for that to be adapted... I'll never understand why the Orman's haven't (as far as I know) been approached to write for McGann's audios... Isn't Kate Orman married to Jon Blum who wrote one audio but vowed never to work for Big Finish again after a bad experience?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2016 21:03:26 GMT
Ah, Seeing I...what I'd give for that to be adapted... I'll never understand why the Orman's haven't (as far as I know) been approached to write for McGann's audios... Isn't Kate Orman married to Jon Blum who wrote one audio but vowed never to work for Big Finish again after a bad experience? Oh did he? He's a regular poster on GB which is what I was alluding to above. it would explain why he's only ever done one story for them, but would be such a shame if true.
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Post by bryll2 on Apr 1, 2016 21:49:14 GMT
Engines of War and The Eight Doctors
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Post by seeley on Apr 2, 2016 1:42:17 GMT
Ah, Seeing I...what I'd give for that to be adapted... I'll never understand why the Orman's haven't (as far as I know) been approached to write for McGann's audios... Isn't Kate Orman married to Jon Blum who wrote one audio but vowed never to work for Big Finish again after a bad experience? Ja, though that doesn't seem to have deterred her from writing for Short Trips Volume 3. I understand that she dislikes script-writing.
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Post by newt5996 on Apr 2, 2016 2:35:26 GMT
Isn't Kate Orman married to Jon Blum who wrote one audio but vowed never to work for Big Finish again after a bad experience? Ja, though that doesn't seem to have deterred her from writing for Short Trips Volume 3. I understand that she dislikes script-writing. That would make sense considering how different it is to writing a novel. And from The Left-Handed Hummingird and the bit of Set Piece I've read, Orman is well suited to writing for novels
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 9:53:04 GMT
Ja, though that doesn't seem to have deterred her from writing for Short Trips Volume 3. I understand that she dislikes script-writing. That would make sense considering how different it is to writing a novel. And from The Left-Handed Hummingbird and the bit of Set Piece I've read, Orman is well suited to writing for novels It's not uncommon, I think Neil Gaiman has the same kind of focus. His novels and comics are often brilliant, but if you put him into the confines of a television script, the results have so far tended to vary. On the other hand, David Whitaker was able to script and write amazing prose like Doctor Who and the Crusaders as well. It's a pity he didn't do more in hindsight. My rambling aside, I reckon Jacqueline Rayner might be the best person to adapt an Orman novel. She has the same kind of pseudo-unconventional approach to storytelling.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 2, 2016 12:18:47 GMT
I'm not altogether sure that this thread is actually going to encourage further adaptations of novels. I think some fans are looking at the possibilities in the wrong spirit.
"Dear Former Novelist. Please may we adapt your book for audio, we only want to change all the characters and amend the plot and reiterate how rotten your continuity was by using our rival version instead. Rest assured that the fans all think your ideas weren't good enough, so we're pretty sure the motivations we've devised for those of your characters who we intend to keep will be a lot more popular than the ones you originally had."
Oh, and there's a few articles online quoting from Big Finish's "Inside Story", about Jonathon Blum's experiences, for those who wish to know.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 2, 2016 12:26:59 GMT
I'm not altogether sure that this thread is actually going to encourage further adaptations of novels. I think some fans are looking at the possibilities in the wrong spirit. "Dear Former Novelist. Please may we adapt your book for audio, we only want to change all the characters and amend the plot and reiterate how rotten your continuity was by using our rival version instead. Rest assured that the fans all think your ideas weren't good enough, so we're pretty sure the motivations we've devised for those of your characters who we intend to keep will be a lot more popular than the ones you originally had." Oh, and there's a few articles online quoting from Big Finish's "Inside Story", about Jonathon Blum's experiences, for those who wish to know. I wouldnt say it completely as above but lol. Nah what i mean is do it like they did with Damaged Goods. Kept the essence of the sotry and changed and cut a few bits to make it fit for audio.
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Post by constonks on Apr 2, 2016 12:42:27 GMT
I'm not altogether sure that this thread is actually going to encourage further adaptations of novels. I think some fans are looking at the possibilities in the wrong spirit. "Dear Former Novelist. Please may we adapt your book for audio, we only want to change all the characters and amend the plot and reiterate how rotten your continuity was by using our rival version instead. Rest assured that the fans all think your ideas weren't good enough, so we're pretty sure the motivations we've devised for those of your characters who we intend to keep will be a lot more popular than the ones you originally had." Yeah I kinda hate the idea that the novel adaptations are a way to "fix" continuity by just erasing the problems and that the audio either overwrites the novel. Of course then we get into the question of personal canon and some people not even thinking the novels are real Doctor Who unless they've been adapted.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 12:54:49 GMT
I'm not altogether sure that this thread is actually going to encourage further adaptations of novels. I think some fans are looking at the possibilities in the wrong spirit. "Dear Former Novelist. Please may we adapt your book for audio, we only want to change all the characters and amend the plot and reiterate how rotten your continuity was by using our rival version instead. Rest assured that the fans all think your ideas weren't good enough, so we're pretty sure the motivations we've devised for those of your characters who we intend to keep will be a lot more popular than the ones you originally had." Yeah I kinda hate the idea that the novel adaptations are a way to "fix" continuity by just erasing the problems and that the audio either overwrites the novel. Of course then we get into the question of personal canon and some people not even thinking the novels are real Doctor Who unless they've been adapted. I'm always of the opinion that the source material takes priority over an adaptation when two appear in the same continuity. Love and War I'm not that worried by because the adaptation did a wonderful job at keeping the story's vital elements, but All-Consuming Fire is definitely one of those adaptations where I'm holding onto the original as tight as I can because there are some very serious problems with its audio equivelant that just seem to get worse and worse the more I listen to it.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 2, 2016 17:12:50 GMT
I get what you guys mean, there are pros and cons to novel adapts.
On another note, i'd also like to see adapts in some way of some of the 7th Doctor BBC Books like Storm Harvest, especially as they get referenced in some of the BF Audios
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Post by aztec on Apr 4, 2016 12:38:13 GMT
I'm not altogether sure that this thread is actually going to encourage further adaptations of novels. I think some fans are looking at the possibilities in the wrong spirit. "Dear Former Novelist. Please may we adapt your book for audio, we only want to change all the characters and amend the plot and reiterate how rotten your continuity was by using our rival version instead. Rest assured that the fans all think your ideas weren't good enough, so we're pretty sure the motivations we've devised for those of your characters who we intend to keep will be a lot more popular than the ones you originally had." Oh, and there's a few articles online quoting from Big Finish's "Inside Story", about Jonathon Blum's experiences, for those who wish to know. I do understand what you mean, but I'm currently reading Terrence Dick's Endgame, and whilst it's a very enjoyable read so far, ironically in some ways I think it would work better as an audio adaptation than it does as a book, no disrespect to Dicks intended but I've found that a fair few of the EDA's (no matter how good the stories are) don't actually feel that much like prose stories, rather just standard who stories that happen to be written down, and audio adaptations cutting or compressing wouldn't be too hard or detrimental to the author's original intentions i.m.o. As with the 8 Doctors and a fair few of the more 'average' early EDA's the storyline in Endgame quite long but basic, motivations and characterization for supporting characters is often generic and/or thinly sketched (which is sometimes something that it shares with the audios, the difference being even in the weakest audio stories, because of the format we can arguably get a more genuine understanding of the character through the acting rather than overly descriptive prose or inferences) and there isn't much 'meat' on the bones as it were, so an adaptation in this case wouldn't be to hard to do-they could just cut the chase of the enjoyable story and use the soundscape to build on the description in the book. That said the only audio adaptation I've heard so far is Love and War, I really enjoyed it, but I haven't read the book so I have no frame of reference...
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Post by aztec on Apr 10, 2016 13:18:47 GMT
Random questions just for fun:
A) If BF did ever get the rights to the various BBC Novel lines (or expand the range to other Doctors) and decided to proceed with more novel adaptations for the various doctors, how would you want them to proceed with the release schedule? Keep it like it is now (i.e releasing boxsets or bundles of two or three stories at a time, linked by a common doctor/companion/writer/theme) or transition the range to a monthly release schedule?
I've only read (about half of) the EDA's so far and not all would lend themselves well to audio adaptation (even if the rights situation was cleared up) but my point was simply there's hundreds of novels they could potentially adapt, and both release methods would have their good/bad points.
B) How would you feel about them expanding the range to new series titles? Personally I think it's too soon and I'd rather they made the most of Tennant's limited availability...
C) Adaptations of the Doctor Who comics...yay or nay?
D) As mentioned in a couple of other threads several people seem interested in BF doing stories with prose or comic companions for the various doctors, if this were to happen what would you like to see? Main Range anthology's, or boxsets?
E) I came across a couple of old threads whilst browsing Gallifrey Base a few weeks ago which discussed pitched/abandoned drafts and storylines for the various novel ranges in the 90's:
gallifreybase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11024
gallifreybase.com/forum/showthread.php?t=140546
The ideas range from the ludicrous to amazing (Lawrence Miles ideas could probably fall under both)...and although it might be a unfeasible dream range too far there's something quite intriguing about the idea of the lost prose stories/pitches being brought to life on audio...would this be an interesting or feasible idea do you think?
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