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Chancellery Guard
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Post by melkur on Jan 3, 2021 0:10:16 GMT
Going into it, I wasn't entirely sure what to expect but, you know what? That was really, really fun!
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Post by theillusiveman on Jan 3, 2021 0:56:53 GMT
For those who have already listened to this one, do they provide an in story explanation for why the other incarnations of the Master are not present? Or shall I head canon that either their invitation got lost in the Time Vortex or that they had better stuff to do? They Explain why The Delgardo Master didn’t show up Apart from that nothing with the other incarnations
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Post by Jeedai on Jan 3, 2021 1:32:44 GMT
A question before I start listening to this story... {Spoiler}Should I listen to Missy Volume 2 before starting on this?
I looked through the Masterful cast list for facial references and found a character name from that set, the Lumiat.
I wouldnt want to ruin a surprise from that series.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Jan 3, 2021 1:56:17 GMT
A question before I start listening to this story... {Spoiler}Should I listen to Missy Volume 2 before starting on this?
I looked through the Masterful cast list for facial references and found a character name from that set, the Lumiat.
I wouldnt want to ruin a surprise from that series. Yes
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Post by elkawho on Jan 3, 2021 4:52:26 GMT
I loved every second, except for the confusing ending. But that didn't make me stop smiling. Yes, some of the Masters got a little lost during it, but I kind of expected that. There were 8 of them, no way to delve into them all adequately. I actually thought that the Gatiss Master was completely unnecessary, but it was still fun to have him. That being said, what we got was wonderful. I hope we get more of Simm's Master, as well as Milo Parker. I felt like he was constantly trying to figure out which way to go. Good or bad? It would be fascinating to have some more of that.
So yeah, it wasn't perfect, but it still gave me everything I wanted. I can't wait to listen to it again!
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Post by constonks on Jan 3, 2021 7:26:02 GMT
So I rather like the final twist: A dying Simm (after The Doctor Falls??) came to leech the strange life energy off of Kiamet but it turned on him and became the energy wave, which is in fact somehow the final incarnation of the Master. The idea that the Master will BECOME this great personification of death is very interesting IMO and fits well with the reveals of the wonderful Master novel Harvest of Time. The Master - chosen from childhood to be the Champion of Death - a hivemind creature of entropy, hiding in a Gallifreyan shell, surviving and surviving and surviving until it devours its own unraveling past and the universe, unmaking everything in the process...
As for whether there's a reset button at play, it's left a little ambiguous. Either Missy being devoured did pop the timeline back into place or the universe was just straight-up destroyed! Also MacQueen and Beevers leading their own adventures made me want to see more of them as protagonists. Can we just get a boxset of one-hour adventures with the Masters who don't have their own spinoffs?
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Post by constonks on Jan 3, 2021 7:32:30 GMT
For those who have already listened to this one, do they provide an in story explanation for why the other incarnations of the Master are not present? Or shall I head canon that either their invitation got lost in the Time Vortex or that they had better stuff to do? Not really a spoiler - Simm just time-scoops who he wants. Presumably he didn't consider inviting the Tzun Master who looks like Basil Rathbone, Professor Stream, the Titan Comics War Child or most of the original 13 Masters... ...or the War Chief.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 3, 2021 10:44:04 GMT
So I rather like the final twist: A dying Simm (after The Doctor Falls??) came to leech the strange life energy off of Kiamet but it turned on him and became the energy wave, which is in fact somehow the final incarnation of the Master. The idea that the Master will BECOME this great personification of death is very interesting IMO and fits well with the reveals of the wonderful Master novel Harvest of Time. The Master - chosen from childhood to be the Champion of Death - a hivemind creature of entropy, hiding in a Gallifreyan shell, surviving and surviving and surviving until it devours its own unraveling past and the universe, unmaking everything in the process...
As for whether there's a reset button at play, it's left a little ambiguous. Either Missy being devoured did pop the timeline back into place or the universe was just straight-up destroyed! Also MacQueen and Beevers leading their own adventures made me want to see more of them as protagonists. Can we just get a boxset of one-hour adventures with the Masters who don't have their own spinoffs? {Spoiler} I like the idea of the final reveal, but just didn’t like the way it was revealed. Until Jacobi Master pulled that rabbit out of the hat there was nothing even hinting at its identity, and no indication of how he figured it out either.
I would love more of MacQueen and Beevers.
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 3, 2021 10:54:40 GMT
I really wanted to like this, but I thought it was disappointing. As I mentioned in my previous post, the first 30 minutes are great but it showed signs that there were too many Masters at play. This is then followed by the following 30 minutes (which ends up being two hours!) that’s cutting to the various incarnations that don’t do an awful lot.
The four Masters that dominate in the first 30 minutes are the Masters that this is written for really; Beevers, Jacobi, Simm & Gomez. They all put in good turns, Gomez especially, with her best Big Finish performance so far. It’s a shame that her story has no relevance to Masterful, however; it seemed more concentrated on Missy’s TV arc than anything to do with the actual story she’s starring in.
So much of it is throwaway. The cynic in me thinks it’s a script purposely crafted on the chance they couldn’t guarantee involvement from all of the Masters outside the main four. If they were unavailable, then they’re simply cut from the script, along with their sub plot, and the story is no different because there’s no resolution or linking to what they do. It’s not helped by some poor pacing where it’s a long time before you get round to all of the different incarnations at play and then suddenly things happen / change because they’re written to do so, not because they’ve been carefully crafted in the story. You’d be forgiven if you thought each storyline was handled by a different writer, with Goss capping each end. The fact that it’s all written by one person and then script edited by another and this is what was produced is baffling to me, thus my cynical thoughts above!
Parker probably fares the worst, given he’s essentially someone new, but gets nothing bar a few minutes of questions. I think there’s potential to him, but it’s not at all shown in Masterful, and I don’t think he can hold his own set, so I can’t see him ever being revisited. I’m not keen on MacQueen’s Master, but I know he has his fans, but I think he’s poorly served too. A sub-plot that’s dull and a few quips that don’t genuinely interact with the ongoing conversation of the many Master’s. Gatiss is even more limited, to the point where I’m not quite sure why he was involved in the first place, except an extra name on the cover.
And what was that ending? I’ve read the spoiler tags here and I’ve gotten a better sense, but it’s not explicit enough; I didn’t have a clue how we came to the conclusion and what actually happened. I’ve no issue with open endings, but when it’s spent 3 hours doing nothing anyway, it’s all the more frustrating to get no resolution.
It’s not a release without its positives, however. As I mentioned, the first 30 minutes are great. We come back to that in the last half an hour, with some great interaction. Particularly Gomez sharing two handlers with Beevers, Jacobi & Simm. On the subject of Simm, he makes a great Big Finish debut and I hope they’ve got a set with him recorded already, pending announcement. Gomez is on top form. The Beevers & Roberts sub plot is really well done and I think a glimpse of how the set should’ve panned out. I’ve been critical of Roberts previously, but he’s actually good in this, so much so I think I’ll be pre-ordering his box set!
I do believe there’s a better story to be had and that would’ve been a box set focusing on the four main players - Beevers, Jacobi, Simm & Gomez - with either their own substantial storylines or just pure interaction all the way through. There’s scope to have the additional appearances from other incarnations, but they should be cameos or guest spots that feed into the storyline. The Roberts involvement is a great example of that; if he’d purely been in the Beevers storyline it would’ve been great.
Sorry to sound so harsh, but I think I’ve been fair with balancing the positives and negatives, and I do feel disappointed in the end product. Still, a relisten of I Am The Master will be welcomed, I’ve never heard The Switching and I’m looking forward to Terror of the Master.
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 3, 2021 11:00:02 GMT
So I rather like the final twist: A dying Simm (after The Doctor Falls??) came to leech the strange life energy off of Kiamet but it turned on him and became the energy wave, which is in fact somehow the final incarnation of the Master. The idea that the Master will BECOME this great personification of death is very interesting IMO and fits well with the reveals of the wonderful Master novel Harvest of Time. The Master - chosen from childhood to be the Champion of Death - a hivemind creature of entropy, hiding in a Gallifreyan shell, surviving and surviving and surviving until it devours its own unraveling past and the universe, unmaking everything in the process...
As for whether there's a reset button at play, it's left a little ambiguous. Either Missy being devoured did pop the timeline back into place or the universe was just straight-up destroyed! Also MacQueen and Beevers leading their own adventures made me want to see more of them as protagonists. Can we just get a boxset of one-hour adventures with the Masters who don't have their own spinoffs? {Spoiler} I like the idea of the final reveal, but just didn’t like the way it was revealed. Until Jacobi Master pulled that rabbit out of the hat there was nothing even hinting at its identity, and no indication of how he figured it out either.
I would love more of MacQueen and Beevers. Yeah, I agree there. What constonks has written is the twist and conclusion I like the idea of, but I don’t get that in the script at all. You can get that idea through inference, which I don’t necessarily have anything against, but there’s nothing earned in the revelation and it just ends up being a bit of an incomprehensible mess, unfortunately.
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Post by sherlock on Jan 3, 2021 11:42:45 GMT
I really wanted to like this, but I thought it was disappointing. As I mentioned in my previous post, the first 30 minutes are great but it showed signs that there were too many Masters at play. This is then followed by the following 30 minutes (which ends up being two hours!) that’s cutting to the various incarnations that don’t do an awful lot. The four Masters that dominate in the first 30 minutes are the Masters that this is written for really; Beevers, Jacobi, Simm & Gomez. They all put in good turns, Gomez especially, with her best Big Finish performance so far. It’s a shame that her story has no relevance to Masterful, however; it seemed more concentrated on Missy’s TV arc than anything to do with the actual story she’s starring in. So much of it is throwaway. The cynic in me thinks it’s a script purposely crafted on the chance they couldn’t guarantee involvement from all of the Masters outside the main four. If they were unavailable, then they’re simply cut from the script, along with their sub plot, and the story is no different because there’s no resolution or linking to what they do. It’s not helped by some poor pacing where it’s a long time before you get round to all of the different incarnations at play and then suddenly things happen / change because they’re written to do so, not because they’ve been carefully crafted in the story. You’d be forgiven if you thought each storyline was handled by a different writer, with Goss capping each end. The fact that it’s all written by one person and then script edited by another and this is what was produced is baffling to me, thus my cynical thoughts above! Parker probably fares the worst, given he’s essentially someone new, but gets nothing bar a few minutes of questions. I think there’s potential to him, but it’s not at all shown in Masterful, and I don’t think he can hold his own set, so I can’t see him ever being revisited. I’m not keen on MacQueen’s Master, but I know he has his fans, but I think he’s poorly served too. A sub-plot that’s dull and a few quips that don’t genuinely interact with the ongoing conversation of the many Master’s. Gatiss is even more limited, to the point where I’m not quite sure why he was involved in the first place, except an extra name on the cover. And what was that ending? I’ve read the spoiler tags here and I’ve gotten a better sense, but it’s not explicit enough; I didn’t have a clue how we came to the conclusion and what actually happened. I’ve no issue with open endings, but when it’s spent 3 hours doing nothing anyway, it’s all the more frustrating to get no resolution. It’s not a release without its positives, however. As I mentioned, the first 30 minutes are great. We come back to that in the last half an hour, with some great interaction. Particularly Gomez sharing two handlers with Beevers, Jacobi & Simm. On the subject of Simm, he makes a great Big Finish debut and I hope they’ve got a set with him recorded already, pending announcement. Gomez is on top form. The Beevers & Roberts sub plot is really well done and I think a glimpse of how the set should’ve panned out. I’ve been critical of Roberts previously, but he’s actually good in this, so much so I think I’ll be pre-ordering his box set! I do believe there’s a better story to be had and that would’ve been a box set focusing on the four main players - Beevers, Jacobi, Simm & Gomez - with either their own substantial storylines or just pure interaction all the way through. There’s scope to have the additional appearances from other incarnations, but they should be cameos or guest spots that feed into the storyline. The Roberts involvement is a great example of that; if he’d purely been in the Beevers storyline it would’ve been great. Sorry to sound so harsh, but I think I’ve been fair with balancing the positives and negatives, and I do feel disappointed in the end product. Still, a relisten of I Am The Master will be welcomed, I’ve never heard The Switching and I’m looking forward to Terror of the Master. It’s bizarre how this is paced. It feels like the first two parts were written expecting a fourth episode to wrap it all up as, after the fabulous first half hour, they take so long to get to the point. MacQueen’s plotline especially as it takes pains to setup the scenario, but then totally omits the end! We hear tale of it from him at the end, but you kinda wish we could’ve actually heard some of it. Jo’s storyline also takes ages to get going. Nice as her scenes with Jon Culshaw are, you get the sense they could've been cut to get Jo to where she is at the part 1 cliffhanger sooner, thus accelerating her entire storyline. Not that what she does has any real relevance to the ending anyway. I think the only storyline that is paced perfectly is Beevers/Roberts. I agree on Gatiss. He interacts with one other Master briefly and that’s it. None of the other characters even know his side of the story happened. I enjoyed hearing his rampage, but for the sake of a more lean story it could’ve been cut. Likewise on the ending. After 3 hours of storytelling it feels like it should come to together more, but what most of the Masters were doing was tangential at best to what’s eventually revealed as the main threat. And we end on a frantic final few minutes which just left me scratching my head. It is something of a shame because the Masters at Big Finish have had a great few years, so this should’ve been a slam dunk release, which it is performance-wise. But the plotting isn’t quite up to it unfortunately. So rather than the fine jewel in the crown of Big Finish’s Master material, this is a somewhat misshaped gem.
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Post by shallacatop on Jan 3, 2021 14:06:04 GMT
I really wanted to like this, but I thought it was disappointing. As I mentioned in my previous post, the first 30 minutes are great but it showed signs that there were too many Masters at play. This is then followed by the following 30 minutes (which ends up being two hours!) that’s cutting to the various incarnations that don’t do an awful lot. The four Masters that dominate in the first 30 minutes are the Masters that this is written for really; Beevers, Jacobi, Simm & Gomez. They all put in good turns, Gomez especially, with her best Big Finish performance so far. It’s a shame that her story has no relevance to Masterful, however; it seemed more concentrated on Missy’s TV arc than anything to do with the actual story she’s starring in. So much of it is throwaway. The cynic in me thinks it’s a script purposely crafted on the chance they couldn’t guarantee involvement from all of the Masters outside the main four. If they were unavailable, then they’re simply cut from the script, along with their sub plot, and the story is no different because there’s no resolution or linking to what they do. It’s not helped by some poor pacing where it’s a long time before you get round to all of the different incarnations at play and then suddenly things happen / change because they’re written to do so, not because they’ve been carefully crafted in the story. You’d be forgiven if you thought each storyline was handled by a different writer, with Goss capping each end. The fact that it’s all written by one person and then script edited by another and this is what was produced is baffling to me, thus my cynical thoughts above! Parker probably fares the worst, given he’s essentially someone new, but gets nothing bar a few minutes of questions. I think there’s potential to him, but it’s not at all shown in Masterful, and I don’t think he can hold his own set, so I can’t see him ever being revisited. I’m not keen on MacQueen’s Master, but I know he has his fans, but I think he’s poorly served too. A sub-plot that’s dull and a few quips that don’t genuinely interact with the ongoing conversation of the many Master’s. Gatiss is even more limited, to the point where I’m not quite sure why he was involved in the first place, except an extra name on the cover. And what was that ending? I’ve read the spoiler tags here and I’ve gotten a better sense, but it’s not explicit enough; I didn’t have a clue how we came to the conclusion and what actually happened. I’ve no issue with open endings, but when it’s spent 3 hours doing nothing anyway, it’s all the more frustrating to get no resolution. It’s not a release without its positives, however. As I mentioned, the first 30 minutes are great. We come back to that in the last half an hour, with some great interaction. Particularly Gomez sharing two handlers with Beevers, Jacobi & Simm. On the subject of Simm, he makes a great Big Finish debut and I hope they’ve got a set with him recorded already, pending announcement. Gomez is on top form. The Beevers & Roberts sub plot is really well done and I think a glimpse of how the set should’ve panned out. I’ve been critical of Roberts previously, but he’s actually good in this, so much so I think I’ll be pre-ordering his box set! I do believe there’s a better story to be had and that would’ve been a box set focusing on the four main players - Beevers, Jacobi, Simm & Gomez - with either their own substantial storylines or just pure interaction all the way through. There’s scope to have the additional appearances from other incarnations, but they should be cameos or guest spots that feed into the storyline. The Roberts involvement is a great example of that; if he’d purely been in the Beevers storyline it would’ve been great. Sorry to sound so harsh, but I think I’ve been fair with balancing the positives and negatives, and I do feel disappointed in the end product. Still, a relisten of I Am The Master will be welcomed, I’ve never heard The Switching and I’m looking forward to Terror of the Master. It’s bizarre how this is paced. It feels like the first two parts were written expecting a fourth episode to wrap it all up as, after the fabulous first half hour, they take so long to get to the point. MacQueen’s plotline especially as it takes pains to setup the scenario, but then totally omits the end! We hear tale of it from him at the end, but you kinda wish we could’ve actually heard some of it. Jo’s storyline also takes ages to get going. Nice as her scenes with Jon Culshaw are, you get the sense they could've been cut to get Jo to where she is at the part 1 cliffhanger sooner, thus accelerating her entire storyline. Not that what she does has any real relevance to the ending anyway. I think the only storyline that is paced perfectly is Beevers/Roberts. I agree on Gatiss. He interacts with one other Master briefly and that’s it. None of the other characters even know his side of the story happened. I enjoyed hearing his rampage, but for the sake of a more lean story it could’ve been cut. Likewise on the ending. After 3 hours of storytelling it feels like it should come to together more, but what most of the Masters were doing was tangential at best to what’s eventually revealed as the main threat. And we end on a frantic final few minutes which just left me scratching my head. It is something of a shame because the Masters at Big Finish have had a great few years, so this should’ve been a slam dunk release, which it is performance-wise. But the plotting isn’t quite up to it unfortunately. So rather than the fine jewel in the crown of Big Finish’s Master material, this is a somewhat misshaped gem. Yeah, MacQueen’s plotline ends up being the worst for how unsatisfactory it is. Takes a lot to get going and then ends up doing absolutely nothing with it! As you say, bizarre pacing. His and Gatiss are the two where removing them completely would have absolutely no bearing on the story. It’s one of those where removing them wouldn’t really improve the story, only the pacing. You worded it well by saying that what the Masters do is tangential at best. I think it needs a complete overhaul to truly work. I agree that the best storyline is the Beevers one, which has a nice turn from Roberts. It’s the only one that is plotted and paced well, to a satisfactory conclusion that has an impact into how Beevers behaves and acts in the end, beautifully finished by the exchange he has with Gomez. Arguably it’s his Master that has set up this great few years of The Master at Big Finish. It kicked off with The Two Masters and then carried into the War Master, which in turn has created Missy, Master!, etc., which was originally for Beevers but ultimately they created more adventures for Jacobi instead. It’s about time he gets a set to himself because he’s so good and has so much potential.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 14:37:19 GMT
I really enjoyed it by and large. I did have reservations, as most seem to, but they seem quite minor. This is the 50th Anniversary Master set and as I allow my brain to process the TV anniversary stories on a different grading scale to regular eps, I tried to do that here too. It's a little 5 Doctors meets Heaven Sent and what an odd concoction that is. I understand issues with the amount of time some get but, again, that's a thing with anniversary stories where the kitchen sink comes along. I do wonder if people would be kinder if, say, Gattis and Parker's roles were not announced ahead of time. Everyone seems very settled in the part here but I think the real revelation is Gomez finally being *exactly* as she was on TV. She's not quite nailed the voice, literally and figuratively before now but this is very much Missy. Credit also to Beevers who gets to tap into the tragic nature of the role again, a la Master from the Main Range, and it's almost heartbreaking to hear Kitty instantly reject him even with her scream though we know it has to happen. The ending was kinda abrupt, sure, but I'm not sure it was quite as open ended, there was a line or two earlier on about the "entropy" all resetting things. Ultimately it doesn't really matter since surely this is one end but since we know the franchise won't end this way, it's almost an Unbound of it's own. All that we need to know happened is that...it happened. Is that this timelines end for the Masters? Does it reset them to their own place and times? Since Jo didn't die at a yung age, I'd just be inclined to think it's the latter. It doesn't matter really though, an open or finite ending doesn't change that this isn't the *end* both in and out of universe for these characters so there's not too much issue in being a bit bold..even cheeky..with the narrative. More could have been made of both discovering and revealing that the entropy was indeed a manifestation of the Master's final form. Some of the stories coulda used more excitement, especially the McQueen/Parker one. It wasn't a character piece like Beevers or a dark comedy like Gomez and it's the least successful strand for me. It probably could have been two discs with some Masters cut but for a big, silly 50th? I'm happy - getting McQueen back, launching Simm, Jacobi again showing why RTD hould have let him have another ep or two before Simm, Gomez getting her groove. I mean..how can you hate a story where Simm's Master says "The Venga Bus Is Coming?". I could have used a few less references from "our world" though, like Gattish reciting the Jon Pertwee I Am The Doctor single lyrics, or referring to the events of Colony In Space by the Target name The Doomsday Weapon, Robert's drezzzzing for the occasion or mocking the "Won't you show mercy to your own (brother)?" line in Planet Of Fire. There were quite a lot of those cute Easter eggs which the characters shouldn't know but then..maybe that is appropriate here in a big 50th fan fest which dares to both end *everything* and reset it all...or possibly neither. I like bold -and that stuff was. SO it was 3 discs but went by a LOT faster than most 2 discers do. I had fun, I laughed and I *whisper it* thought Eric Roberts was pretty good! Perfect? No - but it was kinda scuzzily brilliant and willing to be about the ride not the destination, continuity or explanation of cotinuity more aptly be damned so it gets super bonus points for me. Rrrrrecommended, as Sylv might say.
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Post by mark687 on Jan 3, 2021 15:15:44 GMT
Overall fun if somewhat by the numbers, the versions you like you'll love, the versions that irritate will irritate (this does confirm i'd like Classic Docs whooping Simm whenever possible)
Solid 4/5
Regards
mark687
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Jan 3, 2021 15:15:52 GMT
First half hour or so great, love the set up, the panto style silliness & villainy but after that it falls apart with a completely inconsistent pace & narrative longueurs that ultimately go nowhere. Despite some nice interactions between the different Masters each story is far too long, a lot feels like self-indulgent filler, having no real consequence or pay-off to the main plot (such as that is!) there's not enough story really to warrant the running time. {Spoiler} & yet McQueen's fragment of a tale ends with that particular Master just giving a huge exposition dump! Awful, lazy writing!
It regains the tone of the opening at the climax but by the time I got there I didn't care about what was happening or the plot that preceded it, & nor did the writer it seems given how little it really impacts on the finale. {Spoiler} (Mark Gatiss' appearance for example was completely pointless & added nothing)
& the damp squib of an ending, rubbish! Ambiguity can be interesting but after 3 hours that's what we get? I was expecting some final coda twist but nope, that's all folks! Apart from Culshaw, who just sounds like Culshaw regardless of who he is trying to be, all the performances are good & hopefully we'll get to hear Simm again in something deserving of his talent. I could write more about all the things that disappointed me but this release doesn't deserve the time. So overall a real wasted opportunity & not something I can ever imagine putting myself through again.
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Post by ollychops on Jan 3, 2021 15:35:52 GMT
I really liked it for the most part. I did struggle a bit with some of the voices, because I feel like at times, Beevers, Jacobi and MacQueen sound similar so occasionally it was difficult to realise who was who. I also thought that Simm sounded very different than he did on the show for the majority of it, there were a few moments during the second-half where he sounded more like he did during the show. It was pretty different than what I expected it to be, given that they ended up being separated after the first 30 minutes or so, but that wasn't a bad thing. It was nice to have the different pairings interact. I also worked out the link between where they all were about halfway through (not a criticism, I just felt smart for once ). The only quibbles I have with it is the ending (I agree with others about it - it was disappointing after the build-up towards it), and the Gatiss Master seemed shoe-horned in just to tick him off the list, rather than having any purpose in the plot. Also, I have to add: I was really impressed with Roberts' performance in this. He's really settling into the role on audio now!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 15:36:10 GMT
Anyone started on the audiobook itself yet?
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Post by mark687 on Jan 3, 2021 15:41:19 GMT
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Post by elkawho on Jan 3, 2021 15:41:57 GMT
Anyone started on the audiobook itself yet? Yep. I'm about an 1:20 into it. It's pretty good. It has a preachy plot line, which I hate, but other than that it's good. I like the how it's handling our main characters in an era that is rarely done (the void between Jo Grant and Sarah Jane). I haven't seen too much of the new character, Daisy, but what I have I've liked.
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Post by constonks on Jan 3, 2021 17:17:30 GMT
Unrelated to any of the talk about the ending... did anyone catch the reference to Vicious where Missy called Derek Jacobi "Gandalf's Husband"?
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