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Post by chopper on Feb 12, 2020 0:20:31 GMT
4 meets Monty Python during Flying Circus and they ask him to join as a new member 😄 Not sure if it should be a pure historical or pseudo historical 🤔 Although 4 and Monty Python against the Daleks would be amazing!😀
I don't think this would work. I'm not sure how Pythonesque the Pythons are in real life - it's no good Graham Chapman telling a Dalek how ridiculous it is and that it should stop what it's doing, for example.
I think there's two ways this kind of idea would have to play out. Either select somebody who is a bona fide eccentric - Spike Milligan, say, or even revive a Douglas Adams-era idea and have the fourth Doctor team up with Tom Baker - or alternatively pinch the RTD idea for a Harry Potter-centric story, in which an alien creature was going to attach itself to J. K. Rowling and bring her imagination to life. That way you could have Gumbys or Pepperpot Ladies or what have you roaming the streets of London.
(I think I'd vote to go back a couple of years more, and have a third Doctor and UNIT story with Beachcomber and his cast of characters instead, though).
Incidentally, we know that BF are recording things years in advance. How long till they start producing material for release in 2034, when the copyright in T. H. White runs out? That way, they could do a story where he meets the Master. And if you don't know why that would be interesting, read this:
I'd love to know whether Terrance Dicks and Barry Letts had read this. Possibly Olaf Pooley mentioned it to them during recording of "Inferno", or they saw it in his CV?
Kind of related but I wondered if we could get Douglas Adams himself... He does have that story about lying drunk in a field in Innsbruck. A perfect time to pick him up! PG Wodehouse would be another one. I know we had the Auntie Matter (which was great). I did a short trips competition where 8 & Charley met Plum and were basically Jeeves & Wooster prototypes, thus inspiring the stories. Have we had Scott of the Antarctic?
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Post by timegirl on Feb 12, 2020 0:23:22 GMT
I don't think this would work. I'm not sure how Pythonesque the Pythons are in real life - it's no good Graham Chapman telling a Dalek how ridiculous it is and that it should stop what it's doing, for example.
I think there's two ways this kind of idea would have to play out. Either select somebody who is a bona fide eccentric - Spike Milligan, say, or even revive a Douglas Adams-era idea and have the fourth Doctor team up with Tom Baker - or alternatively pinch the RTD idea for a Harry Potter-centric story, in which an alien creature was going to attach itself to J. K. Rowling and bring her imagination to life. That way you could have Gumbys or Pepperpot Ladies or what have you roaming the streets of London.
(I think I'd vote to go back a couple of years more, and have a third Doctor and UNIT story with Beachcomber and his cast of characters instead, though).
Incidentally, we know that BF are recording things years in advance. How long till they start producing material for release in 2034, when the copyright in T. H. White runs out? That way, they could do a story where he meets the Master. And if you don't know why that would be interesting, read this:
I'd love to know whether Terrance Dicks and Barry Letts had read this. Possibly Olaf Pooley mentioned it to them during recording of "Inferno", or they saw it in his CV?
Kind of related but I wondered if we could get Douglas Adams himself... He does have that story about lying drunk in a field in Innsbruck. A perfect time to pick him up! PG Wodehouse would be another one. I know we had the Auntie Matter (which was great). I did a short trips competition where 8 & Charley met Plum and were basically Jeeves & Wooster prototypes, thus inspiring the stories. Have we had Scott of the Antarctic? Douglas Adams and PG Wodehouse would both be amazing!😀
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Post by number13 on Feb 12, 2020 0:53:54 GMT
I'd kinda love The Doctor to meet Carl Sagan. There's a speech in Rings Of Akhaten where Matt tells Clara about how we're all elements of suns that died billions of years ago, which lifts some of Carl's most famous work. A story where Carl gets involved scientifically would be great. He shouldn't be inspired by, or informed by, The Doctor though. Human genius and bravery is remarkable enough without needing to be given a sci-fi retcon. The story would need to be called Cosmos: We Are All Made Of Star Stuff, of course! Failing that, one of Sagan's most famed morals about the astonishing discoveries of the Ionians being forgotten and the progress of humanity's understanding of existence taking a massive leap only to stand still again would perhaps be the basis of an interesting story. A recurring theme of history, as happened in both China and the middle East is that they were the hotbeds of discovery only to be torn down by wars and then religion overruling science stifling advancement. I'm sure there are stories in there too. One of Neil DeGrasse Tyson's theories is that if the Chinese, Greeks or Syrians hadn't lost their way with progress and scientific advancement, man could have been on the moon hundreds of years earlier such was the rate of advancement at one time in those great civilizations. Imagine where we would be now if that had happened?
And of course I'm a big Sagan fan so on the 'where would we be now if...' question, maybe we could also encounter those spaceships with the dodecahdron logos he speculated might have been if only... Ships which the Doctor of course knows have absolutely no right to exist...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 0:59:14 GMT
I'd kinda love The Doctor to meet Carl Sagan. There's a speech in Rings Of Akhaten where Matt tells Clara about how we're all elements of suns that died billions of years ago, which lifts some of Carl's most famous work. A story where Carl gets involved scientifically would be great. He shouldn't be inspired by, or informed by, The Doctor though. Human genius and bravery is remarkable enough without needing to be given a sci-fi retcon. The story would need to be called Cosmos: We Are All Made Of Star Stuff, of course! Failing that, one of Sagan's most famed morals about the astonishing discoveries of the Ionians being forgotten and the progress of humanity's understanding of existence taking a massive leap only to stand still again would perhaps be the basis of an interesting story. A recurring theme of history, as happened in both China and the middle East is that they were the hotbeds of discovery only to be torn down by wars and then religion overruling science stifling advancement. I'm sure there are stories in there too. One of Neil DeGrasse Tyson's theories is that if the Chinese, Greeks or Syrians hadn't lost their way with progress and scientific advancement, man could have been on the moon hundreds of years earlier such was the rate of advancement at one time in those great civilizations. Imagine where we would be now if that had happened?
And of course I'm a big Sagan fan so on the 'where would we be now if...' question, maybe we could also encounter those spaceships with the dodecahdron logos he speculated might have been if only... Ships which the Doctor of course knows have absolutely no right to exist...
Yes, I mean I'd be happy for a Sagan-esque story to be told. With his principles, ideals and passions even if it didn't feature him as a character itself. Though Sagan's wonderful voice would surely be fun for someone to replicate on audio.
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Post by Hieronymus on Feb 12, 2020 2:17:19 GMT
Not sure which Doctor but it would be interesting for them to meet P. T. Barnum, but instead of an idealized portrayal like The Greatest Showman, they would show a more realistic portrayal including how he didn’t always do the best thing for his performers. The Short Trips Volume 3 2-disc set had a story with a less...Jackman Barnum in it. A Tom and Leela, I think. Fourth Doctor and Sarah Jane: The Wondrous Box was the story, and it's a good one.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Feb 12, 2020 18:16:33 GMT
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Post by Thebogiehole on Nov 30, 2020 15:42:34 GMT
Margaret, the Maid of Norway, Scotland's child queen?
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Post by grinch on Nov 30, 2020 16:01:52 GMT
Jacques Cousteau
I’m envisaging a scene where Mr Cousteau (in full diving gear) accidentally swims through the open TARDIS doors into the console room.
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Post by Thebogiehole on Dec 1, 2020 17:12:07 GMT
Jacques Cousteau I’m envisaging a scene where Mr Cousteau (in full diving gear) accidentally swims through the open TARDIS doors into the console room. Narrator: My crew and I came to this magnificent undersea paradise in search of Neptune's most jealousy-guarded treasure; the lost city of Atlantis!" Narrator: "Unfortunately, all we found were old beer cans and the riggings of an outboard motor."
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Post by Kestrel on Dec 2, 2020 0:27:17 GMT
Cato! Cato! Cato! Do I need to say it a fourth time? He'd be such a curmudgeonly brat, while at the same mind being someone of intense and unbending, unyielding morals. A fantastic foil for the Doctor, who would probably pair very well with David Bradley's first incarnation. Beyond that, hm... I'd have to think on it. There are so many to choose from. maybe I should make a list? Though with my luck, between the audios, comics, novels and games, fully half of them may have already appeared. - Mel Brooks -- Casting would be crucial, but I'd love to see. El Brooks show up--not as the big movie star we all know him for being, but as a much younger man, back during WWII. You know he operated a radio program that broadcast propaganda to Germany during the war? How is that not the perfect setup for a Doctor Who story?
- Samuel Clemens -- I mean, they'd have to find someone who could pull off the Ace t, and a really tight script, but just think of how much fun it could be! Especially if they play into contemporary prejudices for a bit of humor.
- William Faulkner -- We've seen so many great writers from the UK featured, why not a great American writer? And as it's both far too soon for the greatest American writer, and I absolutely do not trust her to be handled well in Who, why not Faulkner? He was one hell of an odd fella'.
- John Gavin -- Not necessarily Gavin, but someone like him: a relative celebrity, who could be a "good guy," who would still have to lie/act suspiciously to the Doctor, being an all-around red herring to allow for some light exploration/commentary on how messed up humans are. (John Gavin was a Hispanic actor who had to pass as white to get work.)
- Hideyoshi, Toyotomi -- one of the more interesting political figures of Japanese history, he was a peasant who rose to rule the country, who governed with impressive foresight, but was hamstrung by deep-rooted insecurities that led him to make some poor decisions. There's an excellent film about him, in his old age, and his tea master, called "Rikyu," which I highly recommend y'all watch someday, if at all possible.
...Though thinking more on it, most of the historical figures I can think of... I really wouldn't want to see in a Doctor Who story. Or at least a conventional Who story, filled with aliens and monsters and other such silliness. A pure historical, however? Different story. That may be part of why I adore the 1DAs so much: that strict, yet even-handed segregation between the two different types of stories.
Have i broken some unspoken convention by talking too much again? Sorry, sorry. It's the meds. Le the ND. Or both.
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But, last but not least, it's not a person exactly, but an event. Y'all remember the time the world ended? Like, legit, all of human civilization collapsed, and no one has any idea what happened? How is that not the most fertile ground for a Doctor Who story ever? How is there not a series of four box sets with Paul McGann covering what happened, along with a half-dozen MR audios providing alternate takes? Let's go see what happened in BCE 1177!
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Post by Thebogiehole on Dec 2, 2020 4:07:02 GMT
Roald Dahl. The real life Dahl came out with a lot of anti-Jewish tosh.
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Post by constonks on Dec 2, 2020 4:43:16 GMT
Roald Dahl. The real life Dahl came out with a lot of anti-Jewish tosh. Could be interesting to see a Lovecraft Invasion style "art vs artist" thing, as long as it wasn't a carbon copy of that story. Perhaps a Roald Dahl-esque story, with Dahl himself as a villain.
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Post by theillusiveman on Dec 2, 2020 5:42:25 GMT
Roald Dahl. The real life Dahl came out with a lot of anti-Jewish tosh. Could be interesting to see a Lovecraft Invasion style "art vs artist" thing, as long as it wasn't a carbon copy of that story. Perhaps a Roald Dahl-esque story, with Dahl himself as a villain. I still want to see the Original cut of The Lovecraft Invasion before the re-recorded lines
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Post by Kestrel on Dec 2, 2020 5:59:28 GMT
Did they ever say *why* they re-recorded lines? My me key of the Lovecraft Invasion is that it's condemnation of HP was rather tepid--something to the effect of having a character turn and say, "you are a bad man" to him every other scene or so, without really examining what was bad about him or why.
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Post by Thebogiehole on Dec 2, 2020 9:06:28 GMT
The Doctor visiting Dollfuss/Schuschnigg Austria and deconstruct the Julie Andrews/Sound of Music image of pre-Anschluss Austria would be a noble thing to do. "The Last Golden Days of the Thirties" indeed!
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Post by dorney on Dec 2, 2020 17:41:31 GMT
Written an historical figure story recently. Not been mentioned in this thread (though a few come close).
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 2, 2020 18:59:24 GMT
Chinese pirate Ching Shih.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2020 19:52:32 GMT
I would prefer a historical setting not an historical figure like I said is there anyone famous that hasn’t met the Doctor gets to be a wee bit ludicrous in the end
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Post by grinch on Dec 2, 2020 20:10:06 GMT
I would prefer a historical setting not an historical figure like I said is there anyone famous that hasn’t met the Doctor gets to be a wee bit ludicrous in the end I mean I get your post and agree (somewhat) but with the TARDIS being a vehicle which can traverse time and space it does act as a useful narrative device to allow such stories to happen compared to other such time travel stories where they are limited by space and not necessarily time. Not to mention, Earth is constantly mentioned to be one of the Doctor’s favourite planets so it does make sense that he would deliberately play the role of the tourist and seek out such historical figures.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Dec 2, 2020 20:38:18 GMT
I would prefer a historical setting not an historical figure like I said is there anyone famous that hasn’t met the Doctor gets to be a wee bit ludicrous in the end You're in the wrong thread.
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