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Post by mark687 on Mar 1, 2020 20:34:00 GMT
Well good lord that was a lot of information. The TARDIS wiki will be in chaos. I enjoyed that a lot overall. I think the resolution with the general sacrificing himself was weak (the Doctor met him for all of five minutes, last episode) and the cliffhanger was whiplash inducing in its suddenness (though yay, what! What! What! is back). *Flashforward to 2024* ‘Coming soon to Big Finish Productions-The Morbius Doctors Volume 3...’ Nooooooooooooooo! Jo Martin as 16th/17th Doc or the 1st of the next Regen Cycle Yes Regards mark687
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Post by grinch on Mar 1, 2020 20:36:23 GMT
Well good lord that was a lot of information. The TARDIS wiki will be in chaos. I enjoyed that a lot overall. I think the resolution with the general sacrificing himself was weak (the Doctor met him for all of five minutes, last episode) and the cliffhanger was whiplash inducing in its suddenness (though yay, what! What! What! is back). *Flashforward to 2024* ‘Coming soon to Big Finish Productions-The Morbius Doctors Volume 3...’ Nooooooooooooooo! Jo Martin as 16th/17th Doc or the 1st of a 3rd Regen Cycle Yes Regards mark687 God. Listening to future Big Finish releases are going to be an interesting (or perhaps painful) experience if they try and cram in references to this Timeless Child stuff or directly address/reference the revelations this episode is presented us with.
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Post by smith11 on Mar 1, 2020 20:40:48 GMT
I’ve got to say I loved that! Simple as for me
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Mar 1, 2020 20:43:11 GMT
Maybe I'm being a little dense, but I'm not seeing what was so earth-shattering about all this? A race of secretive people secretly got their powers from a secret kid, and then secretly secerted the secret. Honestly, by the standards of the Time Lords, borrowing regeneration from a space child feels pretty Tuesday afternoon for them. And the Doctor having secret lives and things they didn't know of - again, other than restoring the Doctor's real origins to a mystery, there's really not much here that should be a huge gut punch, considering what the Doctor's been through before.
As an episode, yeah's it's alright enough. Jodie and Sacha were the glue holding it all together - she gets to really go hard and vulnerable, while he has a divine time and chews scenery like a possessed super-termite.
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Post by sherlock on Mar 1, 2020 21:01:11 GMT
‘Brain of Morbius’ is now trending at #21 on Twitter.
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Post by mark687 on Mar 1, 2020 21:24:47 GMT
‘Brain of Morbius’ is now trending at #21 on Twitter. When its released Season 13 of the Complete Blu-rays will be a hotter item than even they normally are! Regards mark687
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Post by number13 on Mar 1, 2020 21:29:02 GMT
‘Brain of Morbius’ is now trending at #21 on Twitter. Well at least something good came out of all that then...
Personally I think that attempting to build the Doctor into a sort of 'creator god' for the Time Lords is a huge mistake which goes against the whole ethos of Who. The Doctor is so important not because of who she is but because of what she believes in. The Time Lord who abandoned his decadent & remote home world in a rackety stolen TARDIS - with his grand-daughter - to explore and help the Universe.
For me that is a much, much greater story and it's the one I'll continue to believe as the real truth. The Master lied through his beard!
In three words, Trying Too Hard.
In one word (the same one I used 24 years ago when it was "revealed" the Doctor was half-human - and how did that go?) : B*******
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Post by mark687 on Mar 1, 2020 21:35:32 GMT
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Post by scriptortempore on Mar 1, 2020 21:35:47 GMT
‘Brain of Morbius’ is now trending at #21 on Twitter. Well at least something good came out of all that then...
Personally I think that attempting to build the Doctor into a sort of 'creator god' for the Time Lords is a huge mistake which goes against the whole ethos of Who. The Doctor is so important not because of who she is but because of what she believes in. The Time Lord who abandoned his decadent & remote home world in a rackety stolen TARDIS - with his grand-daughter - to explore and help the Universe. For me that is a much, much greater story and it's the one I'll continue to believe.
In three words, Trying Too Hard.
In one word (the same one I used 24 years ago when it was "revealed" the Doctor was half-human - and how did that go?) : B*******
Absolutely wonderful way to sum it up. That uncomplicated brilliance in the character is something I love as well! Even though I love the Other concept, I think that works well because it doesn't really invalidate that rebel time lord vibe for me, which to me is a core part of the character.
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Post by ollychops on Mar 1, 2020 21:37:09 GMT
Well... after last week's pretty good episode, Chibnall fumbled the landing. Although, I'm not sure "fumbled" even comes close to what happened. All the leaks turned out to be true, and was about as bad as it sounded. Even outside of the revelations, the episode wasn't fantastic. The majority of it was an exposition dump and the plot was essentially a rehashed version of Supremacy of the Cybermen. Even the more minor twists like Ko Sharma sacrificing himself instead of the Doctor were plainly obvious so there was no real tension. I liked the Brendan stuff was mirroring The Timeless Child's life but even with the explanation, I don't feel like the Brendan stuff was absolutely necessary in the last episode. It was a bit of an anti-climax, really. I don't really buy the Master destroying Gallifrey just because he's bitter that a part of him is linked to the Doctor. I feel like the better twist would have been that the Master was the Timeless Child; then I could buy him destroying Gallifrey for experimenting on him as a child. Another thing that bugged me (and is only a minor nitpick, I guess) - it was never explained why the Lone Cybermen tortured one of the Cybermen in the last episode. I suppose it was just a way for Chibnall to try and big him up ("the Cyberman that makes other Cybermen scream" ) but it looks a bit silly when he did it for no reason. On the positive side, it was at least more engaging than Chibnall's last finale, but that's not saying much. And I guess the cliffhanger was interesting? Overall, I think the fact that I didn't rush to watch it as it went out and only sat down to watch it after it aired pretty much shows my current enthusiasm for Chibnall's vision for the show...
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Post by antartiks on Mar 1, 2020 21:38:00 GMT
I just cannot imagine the Doctor as something else than a random dude who was bad at school and just wanted to explore the universe for the hell of it. I cannot see Five, Six, Eight or any other incarnations as someone special because they are Space Jesus. I feared this would happen and I don't like where this is going.
The only positive element I can think of at the moment is how bloody good Dhawan is as the Master. I just love this incarnation and I never liked Simm or Missy.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 1, 2020 21:38:25 GMT
Well...... looks Ike I need to buy Chibbers chocolates.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 1, 2020 21:43:12 GMT
I just cannot imagine the Doctor as something else than a random dude who was bad at school and just wanted to explore the universe for the hell of it. I cannot see Five, Six, Eight or any other incarnations as someone special because they are Space Jesus. I feared this would happen and I don't like where this is going. But the Hartnell cycle of the Doctor IS all those things. They sucked at school, spent more time pallying about with vagrants than learning textbook knowledge, stole a TARDIS, met some humans and decided that the universe needs someone to potter around and pull up the weeds and straighten the hedges every so often. The cycle of the Doctor that includes Jo Martin were agents of “The Division” who went on to continue to use the Doctor without their agreement, it’s entirely possible that Martin was the last one to work for the Division by choice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 21:45:51 GMT
Well... after last week's pretty good episode, Chibnall fumbled the landing. Although, I'm not sure "fumbled" even comes close to what happened. All the leaks turned out to be true, and was about as bad as it sounded. Even outside of the revelations, the episode wasn't fantastic. The majority of it was an exposition dump and the plot was essentially a rehashed version of Supremacy of the Cybermen. Even the more minor twists like Ko Sharma sacrificing himself instead of the Doctor were plainly obvious so there was no real tension. I liked the Brendan stuff was mirroring The Timeless Child's life but even with the explanation, I don't feel like the Brendan stuff was absolutely necessary in the last episode. It was a bit of an anti-climax, really. I don't really buy the Master destroying Gallifrey just because he's bitter that a part of him is linked to the Doctor. I feel like the better twist would have been that the Master was the Timeless Child; then I could buy him destroying Gallifrey for experimenting on him as a child. Another thing that bugged me (and is only a minor nitpick, I guess) - it was never explained why the Lone Cybermen tortured one of the Cybermen in the last episode. I suppose it was just a way for Chibnall to try and big him up ("the Cyberman that makes other Cybermen scream" ) but it looks a bit silly when he did it for no reason.
On the positive side, it was at least more engaging than Chibnall's last finale, but that's not saying much. And I guess the cliffhanger was interesting? Overall, I think the fact that I didn't rush to watch it as it went out and only sat down to watch it after it aired pretty much shows my current enthusiasm for Chibnall's vision for the show... I think it was - wasn't that what he was referring to with his new breed of Cybermen that purged all the organic life out?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 21:47:09 GMT
I rather enjoyed that. *vague and spoiler free comment coming up*
Not a perfect finale by any means but not a complete failure in my book. Jodie was consistently terrific (as she has been this series) and Sacha chewed the scenery with relish. There were some inspired moments, some dumb moments and at least one criminally wasted opportunity. Answered some questions, left some frustratingly unanswered and asked some new ones (one in particular based on something that happened during a past Christmas episode..). Opened the door to possibilities started five weeks ago, forty four years ago and even fifty seven years ago and hopefully closed the door for good on something that really should have stayed closed seven years ago..
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Post by scriptortempore on Mar 1, 2020 21:51:24 GMT
I just cannot imagine the Doctor as something else than a random dude who was bad at school and just wanted to explore the universe for the hell of it. I cannot see Five, Six, Eight or any other incarnations as someone special because they are Space Jesus. I feared this would happen and I don't like where this is going. But the Hartnell cycle of the Doctor IS all those things. They sucked at school, spent more time pallying about with vagrants than learning textbook knowledge, stole a TARDIS, met some humans and decided that the universe needs someone to potter around and pull up the weeds and straighten the hedges every so often. The cycle of the Doctor that includes Jo Martin were agents of “The Division” who went on to continue to use the Doctor without their agreement, it’s entirely possible that Martin was the last one to work for the Division by choice. I think that's one way to look at it. However, it's pretty fair to approach the history of the character differently now. Yes those events still happened but I think it's a perfectly legitimate reaction to think that they're somehow less important/ relevant to the overall arc of the character now. If you rewatch an episode and the Doctor feels different in light of a later episode that's an ok reaction for a viewer to have.
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Post by frisby78 on Mar 1, 2020 21:55:16 GMT
The thing is, all the people who are unhappy with 'history being rewritten' is that the very nature of the show means that all this can be rewritten to. I mean how many times has Gallifrey been destroyed? Its more than likely it and the time Lords will be back. Anyhow it doesn't change what's been shown before and it doesn't change the character of the Doctor either.
Also how do we know what the Doctor found out today is the lie that the master was talking about?
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Post by doctorkernow on Mar 1, 2020 21:58:31 GMT
Hello again.
Um. I really don't know. Can't process it. Too much information... Must rewatch to see if I can make any sense of it all...
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Post by scriptortempore on Mar 1, 2020 21:59:25 GMT
Also how do we know what the Doctor found out today is the lie that the master was talking about? Didn't he say so directly?
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Post by frisby78 on Mar 1, 2020 22:05:06 GMT
Also how do we know what the Doctor found out today is the lie that the master was talking about? Didn't he say so directly? He could have been lying. We have no evidence to say he Master destroyed Gallifrey.it could all be a long game. Or maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there! 😀
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