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Post by stcoop on Mar 2, 2020 10:35:11 GMT
Also, I’m dead serious about sending chocolates to Chibbers. Does BBC Cardiff have an address I can use? Clearly I've missed something. Pray tell us, why do you want to send chocolates to Chibbers? Easiest way to hide the poison?
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Post by bohnny on Mar 2, 2020 10:40:07 GMT
Oh yes, finally finally - disappointed that Jo Martin's Doctor has been placed firmly in the Doctor's past, meaning she's not an incarnation for our TV future. I rather hoped she might be.
But perhaps in the future we could revisit some old faces ....
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Post by xlozdob on Mar 2, 2020 10:51:39 GMT
Overall, I was a bit cautious going into this episode fearing what I had read months ago was going to become true. Not because it wouldn't work or anything, just because it would muddle the continuity and I'm a bit finicky about everything fitting perfectly. But I think it was crazy enough that it worked, and realised brilliantly, in the writing, the direction and the performances. It was an amazing episode that kept me at the edge of my seat from beginning to end. Very believable stakes. So, yeah, my two cents, fwiw. And yes, I think the way it was done it brings back a certain mystery to the character that perhaps had been lost, while keeping the character we know and love (as opposed, perhaps, to what was done in Lungbarrow). Now it's up to the next few series (and eventually Big Finish) to fill in the gaps and continue exploring these threads. The only thing I didn't like is them "destroying" Gallifrey and the Time Lords yet again. I want me some proper Time Lord intrigue in the show. I'll add that the only thing that doesn't quite sit right with me, apart from Gallifrey falling once more (see what I did there?), is them calling themselves the Doctor while working for the Division. The TARDIS being a police box (and is that even the Doctor's TARDIS?) can be easily explained as chameleon circuit/perception filter reacting to Jodie's Doctor. But Jo's Doctor calling herself that... it's weird. I guess it could also be us learning about it from Jodie's Doctor's perspective and her hearing that. Who knows. Hopefully that get's explained or unmuddled next series and, if not, we always have headcanon, as Moffat said in the recent Radio Times interview, and can always fill in the gaps ourselves, and that's kind of what special about Doctor Who.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 2, 2020 11:25:00 GMT
Ok, a lil bit confused.. Was Ko Sharmus a version of the Doctor?
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 2, 2020 11:31:57 GMT
Next series will reveal The Doctor is The War Chief,Rassilon & probably Omega.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 11:34:21 GMT
"The Timeless Children" was watched by 3.78 million viewers overnight, making it the seventh most watched programme for the day in the United Kingdom.
From Wikipedia.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 2, 2020 11:35:08 GMT
Next series will reveal The Doctor is The War Chief,Rassilon & probably Omega. Was just chatting with wife about the boxset opportunities that have been opened thanks to this episode.. LOLZ.
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Post by scriptortempore on Mar 2, 2020 11:38:11 GMT
Next series will reveal The Doctor is The War Chief,Rassilon & probably Omega. Given the whole Doctor being a police officer thing, I'm certain we'll soon learn the Doctor is also every single irl doctor too. And to think every time we went to the GP we didn't spot that chameleon arch in the background!
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Post by scriptortempore on Mar 2, 2020 11:42:07 GMT
Did anybody else think it was weird that Brendan miraculously didn't get harmed by the fall or being shot? I know the rules are different now and it may just be pre Hartnell incarnations are just uber powerful but it seemed a bit weird given even the first incarnation died from a comparable fall.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 11:48:36 GMT
Next series will reveal The Doctor is The War Chief,Rassilon & probably Omega. Well, she did say that she loves a good plume.
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Post by xlozdob on Mar 2, 2020 11:59:40 GMT
Since I've seen some posting their theories, I might as well post mine.
Let's start from the beginning. Tecteum is clearly the Other, the third founder of Time Lord society, along with Rassilon and Omega. We even see the three of them in the Matrix flashback. Also, from the Master's narration, we know they discovered time travel around/shortly after the time Tecteum was studying regeneration. Then Omega became trapped in the antimatter universe and there was only Rassilon and Tecteum left. After they spliced regeneration into the Time Lord/shobogan biodata, Tecteum became involved with the Division (I was thinking it was a predecessor of the CIA, but being an MI5 type organisation works too. Could be both for all we know). Something might have happened while Tecteum was working with them that made Rassilon decide to erase all knowledge of Tecteum, which wasn't so bad since it, in return, made him seem the sole founder of their society.
This event might have been the same or not that made the Division decide to cut ties with the Doctor and sentence them to exile, regeneration and a mind-wipe. They might have simple regenerated them or perhaps they were thrown into a loom, who knows. We also don't know if by this point the Doctor had also been modified to have a regeneration limit or if it happened after with this new life they were sentenced to live. All we know is this little boy ended up in a shobogan orphanage/family, probably left there to be forgotten about. But he went to the academy, rebelled, and, as they say, the rest is history.
I'd really love for it to be fleshed out like this or in a similar manner. I feel it might be since most of this is how I think the info that was revealed in the episode could be read anyways.
Also, regarding the Master, I read a post on tumblr last night that was quite illuminating. It makes perfect sense for this to be after Missy. Imagine this - he wakes up, and the Doctor is gone. It's okay, he also thought he was done for. He feels like he could still learn a lot from the Doctor, so he returns to Gallifrey and decides to take a look in the Matrix, the collection of all Time Lord knowledge. He studies the Doctor's files, but then he finds something, a seemingly loose thread. So he obviously pulls it and eventually the whole tapestry comes undone. He unravels the Web of Time (check). The Doctor, the only constant in his life and, he thought, vice versa, is much more than just another Time Lord. He thought they'd always been together, but the Doctor has a whole life (lives) before he was even born. He wanted to be like the Doctor, but now he will never be able to. And so he becomes enraged, his life has no meaning anymore, and he breaks a billion billion hearts to heal his own (check). He stands on the ruins of Gallifrey (check). But this is not enough. He has to see the Doctor suffer and go through the same thing he has. And, to top it all off, he crossbreeds ("born from you and bred by me") two warrior races to be his ultimate conquering army (check). The he absorbs the Cyberium and becomes a Hybrid. [ETA: The Hybrid thing is not from the tumblr post, but it fits oh so well.]
Chibnall has unknowingly (or maybe not) given so many more layers to their relationship and satisfyingly concluded one of the few Moffat storythreads I was not entirely happy with their conclusion. This episode is quicky becoming one of my new series favourites, even surpassing Hell Bent.
Anyway, sorry for the long post.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2020 12:01:09 GMT
Next series will reveal The Doctor is The War Chief,Rassilon & probably Omega. Well, she did say that she loves a good plume. And hey - she wasn't lying!
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Post by xlozdob on Mar 2, 2020 12:07:21 GMT
I'm seeing a few posters being purposefully naive (or even thick) about this, so just to clear it up - the Doctor is not everyone, there are just a few more lives before Hartnell, and from what I understood, not that many even, at least after the experimentation phase. Also scriptortempore , Brendan was just a made-up memory, an image to hide the Doctor's previous lives behind, so it has links to various of the Timeless Child/Ruth/etc.'s real memories. However, I thought Tecteum was a much more interesting revelation and addition to the lore. The Doctor is still the Doctor, but their relationship with Tecteum is something I would love to be explored further.
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Mar 2, 2020 12:15:01 GMT
Just a random ponder here:Did the Doctor actually live all that time or was s/he subjected to a Bucky Barnes effect by the Division and put on ice until needed? The memories of Ireland and so on not just erasing their life but keeping their hibernating mind sane.
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Post by Tony Jones on Mar 2, 2020 12:18:41 GMT
Just a random ponder here:Did the Doctor actually live all that time or was s/he subjected to a Bucky Barnes effect by the Division and put on ice until needed? The memories of Ireland and so on not just erasing their life but keeping their hibernating mind sane. Nice thought but I think the Brendan bit was just allegorical. I do have ideas for a story about shared worlds in cryosleep...
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Post by mark687 on Mar 2, 2020 12:34:17 GMT
Ok, a lil bit confused.. Was Ko Sharmus a version of the Doctor? That's what I'm thinking Regards mark687
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Post by Digi on Mar 2, 2020 12:39:25 GMT
Had a chuckle at this:
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Post by number13 on Mar 2, 2020 13:00:53 GMT
Ok, a lil bit confused.. Was Ko Sharmus a version of the Doctor? Very probably. I'm thinking getting a DNA test to see if I am too. He was half-human once you know so probably we're all the Doctor.
Serious answer, Ko Sharmus went by the title of 'General' and not even the War Doctor did that (did he?), so probably he wasn't. (Probably not. Almost certainly not... ) Really I haven't got a clue where he fitted in.
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Post by number13 on Mar 2, 2020 13:02:20 GMT
I'm seeing a few posters being purposefully naive (or even thick) about this, so just to clear it up - the Doctor is not everyone, there are just a few more lives before Hartnell, and from what I understood, not that many even, at least after the experimentation phase. For my part, such comments were merely displaying the Irony Of Rassilon.
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Post by scriptortempore on Mar 2, 2020 13:03:35 GMT
As others have done some speculation/ fan theories I will too. The timeless child's clothing and hair style reminded me a bit of the powerful race from the series 11. Sorry, I've forgotten the name but the ones who could bend space and the like. This could mean in the future we see a Doctor comparable to the God of the fourth death comes to time version.
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