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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 14, 2020 17:12:34 GMT
Worth a read on the UK strategy for dealing with the virus. Despite the usual 'Blame Boris' stuff, there is actually a rationale behind it all: A rationale that no other country has chosen. From my admittedly limited knowledge of Herd Immunity it does seem like this government are seeing certain people in society as acceptable casualties. As the WHO have stated we do not know enough about the virus to assume this approach will work. Sorry, don't want to add to anyone's stress. It does look like some measures are now being implemented like ban on large gatherings. This however seems to be led by music & sports venues with the government conceding it is what they should have done all along. |
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Post by muckypup on Mar 14, 2020 17:21:32 GMT
read today (but probably fake news) that the virus in Italy is mutating and think it may be airborne now...….
still terrified, wish the uk government would take stronger action...…..
I feel like the uk is being used as an experiment with the old and sick acceptable casualty's
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 14, 2020 17:38:43 GMT
read today (but probably fake news) that the virus in Italy is mutating and think it may be airborne now...…. still terrified, wish the uk government would take stronger action...….. I feel like the uk is being used as an experiment with the old and sick acceptable casualty's Please stop reading the news! I know it may be tempting but please stop, just catch up with the news in the morning & evening from a reliable source. Try not to be terrified, which is easy to say but you seem to be taking the proper steps to stay virus free. As I posted above, the government seem to be changing their policy with an imminent ban on large gatherings. This is led by the venues themselves making tough decisions & putting people's health first. I think this is just the first step in the government changing their approach more in line with other countries. Boris Johnson may be a total nightmare as a PM but he does not want to be seen as the PM that made the wrong decision & let people die, his ego will probably lead his decisions but they will I think be the right ones. |
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 14, 2020 17:49:36 GMT
Worth a read on the UK strategy for dealing with the virus. Despite the usual 'Blame Boris' stuff, there is actually a rationale behind it all: It seems to be a case of herd immunity (the UK's current policy) vs herd mentality (doing what other countries are doing on the assumption it must be right if everyone else is doing it). I'm not a Boris fan and to be fair I can see there is a logic to the uk strategy. I'm just not convinced that the uk policy will prove tenable in an increasingly febrile and panic-driven climate. Things can be logical, but not sensible |
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Post by muckypup on Mar 14, 2020 17:53:43 GMT
read today (but probably fake news) that the virus in Italy is mutating and think it may be airborne now...…. still terrified, wish the uk government would take stronger action...….. I feel like the uk is being used as an experiment with the old and sick acceptable casualty's Please stop reading the news! I know it may be tempting but please stop, just catch up with the news in the morning & evening from a reliable source. Try not to be terrified, which is easy to say but you seem to be taking the proper steps to stay virus free. As I posted above, the government seem to be changing their policy with an imminent ban on large gatherings. This is led by the venues themselves making tough decisions & putting people's health first. I think this is just the first step in the government changing their approach more in line with other countries. Boris Johnson may be a total nightmare as a PM but he does not want to be seen as the PM that made the wrong decision & let people die, his ego will probably lead his decisions but they will I think be the right ones. I wasn't it was in an article about film delays of all things...….. thanks for trying to reassure me.....it real helps...…. good perspective on boris's handling, I too think he will make the right call but think may be too late to save many vulnerable people. me included. everyone stay safe, and thanks again |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 18:08:44 GMT
Well regardless of what is going on scientifically and medically am glad to see my friends and family are getting on with keeping occupied. One is stripping wallpaper he hates. One learned how to finally use her bread machine. one of my friends is isolated now and we have offered to feed her alcohol through the cap flap in her door. I finally ripped up a carpet in my living room that I have been putting off for a year.... and am so looking forward to Colin Flip and Constance in their next trilogy of stories the writers are a bit different and want to see what they deliver |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 18:27:08 GMT
Worth a read on the UK strategy for dealing with the virus. Despite the usual 'Blame Boris' stuff, there is actually a rationale behind it all: A rationale that no other country has chosen. From my admittedly limited knowledge of Herd Immunity it does seem like this government are seeing certain people in society as acceptable casualties. As the WHO have stated we do not know enough about the virus to assume this approach will work. Sorry, don't want to add to anyone's stress. It does look like some measures are now being implemented like ban on large gatherings. This however seems to be led by music & sports venues with the government conceding it is what they should have done all along. I have been reading Robert Peston's posts on this over the past week and he expresses your concerns too that it is very much a gamble - as does the posted thread. One aspect that it does clarify, is that the focus is very much geared towards aiming limited resources towards those most at risk. Those who will likely recover with mild symptoms, it is hoped, will provide a barrier of protection through acquired immunity without the need for NHS treatment. The thread also discusses the strategy of managing closures of schools and gatherings to control the spread insofar as the health service can cope with the growth of cases. As lidar 2 notes however, there is at least a strategy whereby the Government and Health officials are seeking to learn from the way the virus has spread elsewhere and to attempt to control it. I agree that it is a high risk venture, but at least there appears to be an effort to manage it than await being overwhelmed. A case of wait and see really as it is out of our (admittedly clean) hands. |
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Post by lidar2 on Mar 14, 2020 18:49:34 GMT
A rationale that no other country has chosen. From my admittedly limited knowledge of Herd Immunity it does seem like this government are seeing certain people in society as acceptable casualties. As the WHO have stated we do not know enough about the virus to assume this approach will work. Sorry, don't want to add to anyone's stress. It does look like some measures are now being implemented like ban on large gatherings. This however seems to be led by music & sports venues with the government conceding it is what they should have done all along. I have been reading Robert Peston's posts on this over the past week and he expresses your concerns too that it is very much a gamble - as does the posted thread. One aspect that it does clarify, is that the focus is very much geared towards aiming limited resources towards those most at risk. Those who will likely recover with mild symptoms, it is hoped, will provide a barrier of protection through acquired immunity without the need for NHS treatment. The thread also discusses the strategy of managing closures of schools and gatherings to control the spread insofar as the health service can cope with the growth of cases. As lidar 2 notes however, there is at least a strategy whereby the Government and Health officials are seeking to learn from the way the virus has spread elsewhere and to attempt to control it. I agree that it is a high risk venture, but at least there appears to be an effort to manage it than await being overwhelmed. A case of wait and see really as it is out of our (admittedly clean) hands. I've been reading Peston too. Well worth a read for anyone who hasn't read it yet. I think the UK strategy is one that sounds like the best in a an abstract theoretical discussion when the risks are just numbers, but very high risk in real life when the risks are life and death for a lot of people. When Boris said Brexit meant the freedom to go our own way no one thought it would mean this! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 19:16:40 GMT
I've been reading Peston too. Well worth a read for anyone who hasn't read it yet. I think the UK strategy is one that sounds like the best in a an abstract theoretical discussion when the risks are just numbers, but very high risk in real life when the risks are life and death for a lot of people. When Boris said Brexit meant the freedom to go our own way no one thought it would mean this! When Boris came into Leadership, his former colleagues at The Spectator emphasised that he was very much someone who liked to surround himself with a team and delegate decisions to them as experts in their field (as editor and later Mayor of London). A sea change has occurred in recent months though, as their editorial position increasingly expresses concern over some of the decisions and lack of media engagement, nor tolerance of dissenting opinion. The latest case is this weeks concern over the Budget, throwing caution to the wind at a time when we did not need to borrow so heavily and limiting our spending powers should an emergency arise. I support Boris still, but the thing that seems to be lacking in his execution of his position in general seems to be 'Wisdom'. |
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 14, 2020 20:52:29 GMT
Hello everybody...
Uhm...
would it be at all possible to keep this maybe as an emotional support thread?
I know that all our governments are pretty much made up of the same incompetent fools, no matter what nation we are from.
We are all in the same boat.
But maybe that would be better served in a dedicated political thread?
There are some of us who worry enough already and bringing up all the lacking leadership skills of our esteemed leaders does not inspire confidence in the more vulnerable people on this forum.
I would like to ask if we could maybe split this up?
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Mar 14, 2020 21:50:01 GMT
Hello everybody... Uhm... would it be at all possible to keep this maybe as an emotional support thread? I know that all our governments are pretty much made up of the same incompetent fools, no matter what nation we are from. We are all in the same boat. But maybe that would be better served in a dedicated political thread? There are some of us who worry enough already and bringing up all the lacking leadership skills of our esteemed leaders does not inspire confidence in the more vulnerable people on this forum. I would like to ask if we could maybe split this up? Yes sorry. maybe keep that stuff in the government watch thread? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 22:23:46 GMT
Hello everybody... Uhm... would it be at all possible to keep this maybe as an emotional support thread? I know that all our governments are pretty much made up of the same incompetent fools, no matter what nation we are from. We are all in the same boat. But maybe that would be better served in a dedicated political thread? There are some of us who worry enough already and bringing up all the lacking leadership skills of our esteemed leaders does not inspire confidence in the more vulnerable people on this forum. I would like to ask if we could maybe split this up? I was aware that we were on a tangent earlier, however I felt that understanding some contextual information was perhaps a means of combating some of the fear, emotion & stress some are feeling. The discussion was constructive, to my mind as it reassured me at least, that many people retain common sense in the face of the unfolding narrative. I had hoped that the information regards the UK strategy may provide some reassurance - 'the tail wagging the dog', as far as the medical experts being in control in this case and not No 10. Perhaps I misjudged that. But I agree that johnhurtdoctor's government watch thread is by far the best place for any further discussion of such matters. No problem and apologies for any anxiety caused. |
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 14, 2020 22:32:32 GMT
Hello everybody... Uhm... would it be at all possible to keep this maybe as an emotional support thread? I know that all our governments are pretty much made up of the same incompetent fools, no matter what nation we are from. We are all in the same boat. But maybe that would be better served in a dedicated political thread? There are some of us who worry enough already and bringing up all the lacking leadership skills of our esteemed leaders does not inspire confidence in the more vulnerable people on this forum. I would like to ask if we could maybe split this up? I was aware that we were on a tangent earlier, however I felt that understanding some contextual information was perhaps a means of combating some of the fear, emotion & stress some are feeling. The discussion was constructive, to my mind as it reassured me at least, that many people retain common sense in the face of the unfolding narrative. I had hoped that the information regards the UK strategy may provide some reassurance - 'the tail wagging the dog', as far as the medical experts being in control in this case and not No 10. Perhaps I misjudged that. But I agree that johnhurtdoctor's government watch thread is by far the best place for any further discussion of such matters. No problem and apologies for any anxiety caused. Sorry, I did not want to rudely interrupt the discussion. Some members of the forum I had a private conversation with mentioned to me they felt uncomfortable and since they did not want to be the party poopers, I took it onto myself to chime in...
Plus, remember, this is also an international forum... and not everyone has a clue about British politics and some people try to get away from the news.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 22:41:03 GMT
I was aware that we were on a tangent earlier, however I felt that understanding some contextual information was perhaps a means of combating some of the fear, emotion & stress some are feeling. The discussion was constructive, to my mind as it reassured me at least, that many people retain common sense in the face of the unfolding narrative. I had hoped that the information regards the UK strategy may provide some reassurance - 'the tail wagging the dog', as far as the medical experts being in control in this case and not No 10. Perhaps I misjudged that. But I agree that johnhurtdoctor's government watch thread is by far the best place for any further discussion of such matters. No problem and apologies for any anxiety caused. Sorry, I did not want to rudely interrupt the discussion. Some members of the forum I had a private conversation with mentioned to me they felt uncomfortable and since they did not want to be the party poopers, I took it onto myself to chime in...
I am very sorry - people should feel able to be open about these things as I genuinely thought it might inspire some confidence. We all have family and friends we are concerned about. Thanks though and I appreciate your intervention. No offence taken by myself so no need to apologise, though. |
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Post by tuigirl on Mar 14, 2020 22:52:33 GMT
Sorry, I did not want to rudely interrupt the discussion. Some members of the forum I had a private conversation with mentioned to me they felt uncomfortable and since they did not want to be the party poopers, I took it onto myself to chime in...
I am very sorry - people should feel able to be open about these things as I genuinely thought it might inspire some confidence. We all have family and friends we are concerned about. Thanks though and I appreciate your intervention. No offence taken by myself so no need to apologise, though. It was nothing personal. Also, the members did not mean it personal. I know you meant well and I was also talking with UK friends who are right in the thick of it, so I know where you are coming from. It is just that at this sensible time we should offer some safe spaces.
And share experiences and support each other.
Glad that you did not take offense. Thank you.
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Post by elkawho on Mar 15, 2020 3:12:24 GMT
I'm ok. Both my kids are home. My son's high school is closed indefinitely and my daughter was told not to come back to college from Spring break. The hope is they can return in April. My son was in the high school's musical and it's second weekend was cancelled. And I was supposed to have a friend come over from the UK next week and that's out.
Some cases have popped up in my neighboring towns. I will be going to work on Monday, but how long we can stay open is a big question. Hard to do Physical Therapy remotely, but I think many people will be staying away. Anyway, my hands are raw from the amount of washing I'm doing.
I'm concerned, but not panicking. I feel terrible for those at high risk, however I really believe that the majority of us are going to end up getting this thing. It's the only way it's going to recede, when we start to become immune. And I heard (I can't remember where) that a lot of the shortages of toilet paper and the like are as much about the reduced ability of stores to get timely shipments as it is from stockpiling. Manufacturers weren't ready for this, and anything coming from overseas is taking longer to get through customs processes and such. I don't know if it's true, but it makes more sense than hoards of people buying toilet paper by the ton.
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Post by Ela on Mar 15, 2020 3:31:24 GMT
Everything is closed here and our synagogue limited attendance to family members and invited guests of the girl having a bat mitzvah today. So I stayed home and slept late, had a late breakfast, and then went out for a walk around the neighborhood for about a hour. Can't sit in the house all day or I'll turn to mush.  I imagine the only people I'll be seeing this week are my daughter, son-in-law, and granddaughter, as I am currently living near them to watch my granddaughter. My spouse is at home and just as glad that he's by himself, as he just returned from a business trip and was in airplanes and airports over the last week. He figures why expose anyone else if he got exposed to something. Fortunately, he usually works from home anyway. |
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Mar 15, 2020 3:40:36 GMT
The Aussie Prime Minister is right now holding a press conference it's being beamed live everywhere here.. It's 2"10pm Sunday afternoon- he will let everyone know if all schools are to be closed. Wife is listening intently as she is a teacher.
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Post by polly on Mar 15, 2020 4:19:17 GMT
Everything's okay on my end. We are in one of the most affected Canadian provinces, but we're not in a major city and our province is large. Like more than four times the size of Great Britain large. And with far less dense population. Had a bit of a cough and sore throat the last couple weeks, but never a fever or anything serious. I'm 99% sure it's a boring regular cold. Mr Polly is working from home. Unfortunately I can't do the same, since horses will not fit in our apartment, but I will more than likely take time off. We're stocked on everything we need, and we're mindful to wash our hands like mad. We have canceled our (domestic) travel plans and until further notice we're not going anywhere but the grocery store. Be safe, be well, and be good to each other.  |
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Post by Hieronymus on Mar 15, 2020 4:41:35 GMT
I've been fortunate in that I began working from home this year, and know I will be continuing to do so.
But the congregation where I worship has a median age of 60. Should one of them fall ill and pass it on. . . well it's a high-risk population.
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