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Post by project37 on Nov 12, 2020 18:04:50 GMT
The chat is brutal. People are not really feeling the animation quality...
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Post by sherlock on Nov 12, 2020 18:36:02 GMT
Yeah that animation is really dodgy. The explosions during the surface scenes are the worst offenders.
The story itself is fine. If you like the individual Daleks in TLV; it’s basically them doing their thing. The ending does hint that the plot might go somewhere more interesting though.
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Post by melkur on Nov 12, 2020 18:37:06 GMT
I wasn't really a fan of the animation style (don't get me wrong, it looked nice, but I just wasn't really a fan), but I found it an interesting enough start to the series...
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 12, 2020 18:39:56 GMT
I liked it. I think it works better having heard The Enemy of My Enemy beforehand to get a better idea of this individual Daleks.
I saw the chat. It’s unnecessarily unkind and I think a lot of people are confusing the animation with the art style, which I appreciate isn’t to everyone’s tastes.
Cel shading animation will often produce a “lesser” look due to the nature of choosing it, especially if it’s 3D. It’s the sensible option for Daleks, they’re the perfect candidate due to the shape with its sharp lines, but it shows more with the non-Dalek characters and environments. Top quality cel shaded animation can be achieved, but you really need to do all the animation pre-reqs such as proper wireframe, building up the characters, buildings and environments from scratch, applying textures and all that good stuff. By the time you’ve put in that effort there’s little point in doing cel shading because you’ve got the groundwork for a top quality animation, or rather models and rigs in which to use, that you don’t want to waste by applying cel shading to them.
I’m not saying they’ve cut corners by doing cel shading, they’ve obviously achieved what they can within the time, budget and resources. And part of that is the style they’ve chosen.
Personally, my only issues was the machine gun firing from the Daleks (I don’t see what’s wrong with the traditional extermination; we know it’s bloody effective from a visual and devastation perspective!) and the cartoon-esque fire effects. I thought it was well short and directed, with some great zooms.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 12, 2020 18:42:49 GMT
Just watched it. In a word, horrendous.
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Post by commonman on Nov 12, 2020 19:25:11 GMT
The animation was done by Studio Liddell: Going from my quick google search they are more into 2000's style of animation like the one we had in the 10th doctor Dreamland rather than the cell shading used in modern anime.
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Post by constonks on Nov 12, 2020 19:39:24 GMT
I dunno, I enjoyed it, even the weird polygon explosions (although I kept feeling like I'd have to pick up a controller when the cutscene ended) - call it cheap, call it stylized, whatever, it's extra content. The dodgiest things IMO were one or two of the camera movements - oh, and the archivists falling over like chess pieces was pretty funny.
In any case, it's nice to see the individual Daleks (Strategist/Emperor/Executioner) in action. It made me want the Eaglemoss figures more, which I assume is the real point of the animated series!
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 12, 2020 20:14:57 GMT
The animation was done by Studio Liddell: Going from my quick google search they are more into 2000's style of animation like the one we had in the 10th doctor Dreamland rather than the cell shading used in modern anime. More like Studio Lidl!
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Post by constonks on Nov 12, 2020 20:27:39 GMT
The animation was done by Studio Liddell: Going from my quick google search they are more into 2000's style of animation like the one we had in the 10th doctor Dreamland rather than the cell shading used in modern anime. More like Studio Lidl! Alright, solid roast. You should be proud of that one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2020 21:19:30 GMT
The Guardians of the Archive of Islos looked kind of familiar to me. I wonder if they stocked up on fish, plankton & people, like this demented antecedent of theirs? (Logans Run, 1976)
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Post by fitzoliverj on Nov 12, 2020 21:33:32 GMT
OK, it looks cheap and nasty. That's not too much of a problem so long as everybody understands the reaosn it looks like they spent no money on it is because they had no money to spend. It's a considerable advance on the 3D computer graphics in the 2002 stage adaptation of "Fury from the Deep", I'll tell you that. And donning my "Dimensions in Time" 3D glasses the 3D, at least, is pretty good.
The main problem wiht the animation is that there's too much going on, lines and whatnot in the background. We don't need to see the scale of the place, just concentrate on the characters. Unfortunately it takes too long for the Daleks to do anything but shoot, and when they start talking and doing things we quickly learn that the Emperor is an idiot. He'd be a lot safer plumbed into his city a la "Evil".
Anyway, I'm keep to find out what's going on, and that's the main thing.
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Post by elkawho on Nov 12, 2020 23:22:20 GMT
I just watched it. Yeah, the animation is stiff and bad, but I've seen worse and I thought it was fun. "Do you want a library card?" Ha! Looking forward to the rest of it.
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Post by project37 on Nov 13, 2020 9:33:55 GMT
During the early promotion for TLV, James Goss had mentioned licensees were still coming up with ideas on how to participate. I'm guessing (!) the animation quality might have different if they had more time to develop it. This YouTube fan animation from last year is incredibly impressive, but the creator wasn't working to meet a coordinated release schedule:
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 13, 2020 11:02:34 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Nov 13, 2020 12:05:08 GMT
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 13, 2020 13:33:33 GMT
During the early promotion for TLV, James Goss had mentioned licensees were still coming up with ideas on how to participate. I'm guessing (!) the animation quality might have different if they had more time to develop it. This YouTube fan animation from last year is incredibly impressive, but the creator wasn't working to meet a coordinated release schedule: I'm not sure if the animation applies to companies still coming up with ideas on how to participate. I'd have thought the books, DWM, Titan, Eighth Doctor audios and the animation would have been at the forefront of planning given the two books are the main event and the others are the driving factors in getting the key players into the main event. Of course there are still schedules that apply and also budgetary limitations too. I think the main thing we've seen based on Goss's comments has been A Dalek Awakens. It was going to be an escape room anyway that Escape Hunt have tied into Time Lord Victorious and they've also got a prequel play at home escape room that has only just been mentioned as also tying in with TLV. That then spawned the Genetics of the Daleks audio. I believe the blue and silver Drone from Eaglemoss's The Last Message is intended to be the Dalek in the two rooms and the audio, but there's been a bit of a communication slip up and they've got a gold Time War style Dalek on the covers. Probably because the design work put into A Dalek Awakens had already been done.
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Post by project37 on Nov 13, 2020 14:16:36 GMT
During the early promotion for TLV, James Goss had mentioned licensees were still coming up with ideas on how to participate. I'm guessing (!) the animation quality might have different if they had more time to develop it. This YouTube fan animation from last year is incredibly impressive, but the creator wasn't working to meet a coordinated release schedule: I'm not sure if the animation applies to companies still coming up with ideas on how to participate. I'd have thought the books, DWM, Titan, Eighth Doctor audios and the animation would have been at the forefront of planning given the two books are the main event and the others are the driving factors in getting the key players into the main event. Of course there are still schedules that apply and also budgetary limitations too. I think the main thing we've seen based on Goss's comments has been A Dalek Awakens. It was going to be an escape room anyway that Escape Hunt have tied into Time Lord Victorious and they've also got a prequel play at home escape room that has only just been mentioned as also tying in with TLV. That then spawned the Genetics of the Daleks audio. I believe the blue and silver Drone from Eaglemoss's The Last Message is intended to be the Dalek in the two rooms and the audio, but there's been a bit of a communication slip up and they've got a gold Time War style Dalek on the covers. Probably because the design work put into A Dalek Awakens had already been done. Fair enough. The point I was trying to get at was that perhaps all licensees were working on a shorter than ideal schedule, factoring in challenges of coordinating content, etc. I say perhaps because I'm only on the outside with no insight has to how it all came together. Either way, the animation is a bit of fun that's free and accessible to anyone with an Internet connection. I know a lot of hard work goes into these things, so I was genuinely sad to see the tone in the chat for the premiere.
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 13, 2020 16:09:19 GMT
I'm not sure if the animation applies to companies still coming up with ideas on how to participate. I'd have thought the books, DWM, Titan, Eighth Doctor audios and the animation would have been at the forefront of planning given the two books are the main event and the others are the driving factors in getting the key players into the main event. Of course there are still schedules that apply and also budgetary limitations too. I think the main thing we've seen based on Goss's comments has been A Dalek Awakens. It was going to be an escape room anyway that Escape Hunt have tied into Time Lord Victorious and they've also got a prequel play at home escape room that has only just been mentioned as also tying in with TLV. That then spawned the Genetics of the Daleks audio. I believe the blue and silver Drone from Eaglemoss's The Last Message is intended to be the Dalek in the two rooms and the audio, but there's been a bit of a communication slip up and they've got a gold Time War style Dalek on the covers. Probably because the design work put into A Dalek Awakens had already been done. Fair enough. The point I was trying to get at was that perhaps all licensees were working on a shorter than ideal schedule, factoring in challenges of coordinating content, etc. I say perhaps because I'm only on the outside with no insight has to how it all came together. Either way, the animation is a bit of fun that's free and accessible to anyone with an Internet connection. I know a lot of hard work goes into these things, so I was genuinely sad to see the tone in the chat for the premiere. Oh absolutely, it's fun and it's great to get a substantial bit of Doctor Who that's free, Time Lord Victorious or not. I agree that it's unfortunate that the reception was negative, particularly to the art style / animation. I think the style they've gone for is the best they could to visually realise the Daleks, short of something live action or turning the series into a TV21-esque comic. It's the non-Dalek elements that are perhaps of a lesser quality. Still, as we can agree, it's fun and free!
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Post by shallacatop on Nov 14, 2020 13:51:22 GMT
Have any DWM subscribers had the latest issue yet? Mine still hasn’t turned up, so I’ve not been able to finish Monstrous Beauty yet.
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Post by sherlock on Nov 14, 2020 13:54:29 GMT
Have any DWM subscribers had the latest issue yet? Mine still hasn’t turned up, so I’ve not been able to finish Monstrous Beauty yet. My subscription issue hasn’t turned up yet either. I was assuming the post was just running slow due to lockdown 2.
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