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Post by Digi on Feb 6, 2021 2:46:57 GMT
What happened to "bigadiers"? 😔 Good taste prevailed?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2021 7:47:42 GMT
What was missing from the download and do I need to relisten to it all lol??
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 6, 2021 8:48:30 GMT
At a guess it’s a scene or two missing from Beyond, as the ending of that just suddenly happens because, well, it just does. I’ve redownloded and that one looks to be a few minutes longer now; I think it originally came in at under an hour.
It’s hard to tell without Big Finish being more specific, though. I guess it’s not as obvious on the app as it’s done as one story, rather than made up of a dozen or so tracks.
EDIT: Seen some mention it’s Track 15 of Beyond. Explains the strange ending then, will give the last 15 minutes or so a relisten.
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Post by IndieMacUser on Feb 6, 2021 10:25:15 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Feb 6, 2021 13:34:09 GMT
Well Track 15 does clarify the ending of Beyond a bit. {Spoiler} So I guess older Braxiatel made the Parallax and word spread to his younger self.
It still feels amiss that Romana does absolutely nothing to even try to help Braxiatel, especially as she ultimately agrees with what he was trying to do (return to the TARDIS and to back into the War rather than go through the gateway).
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Post by avgjoefriday on Feb 6, 2021 15:08:36 GMT
Is Armitage meant to be the Dalton Rassilon. Or are we supposed to infer another regeneration takes place at some point?
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Post by sherlock on Feb 6, 2021 15:21:48 GMT
Is Armitage meant to be the Dalton Rassilon. Or are we supposed to infer another regeneration takes place at some point? Another regeneration I think. After all they used Armitage’s appearance on the cover and he doesn’t seem to be imitating Dalton.
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Post by shallacatop on Feb 6, 2021 15:54:48 GMT
OK So I ask the obvious question Who's Dead and Who's in position for supporting Roles in future Doctor led Time War Sets? Regards mark687 Romana is imprisoned by Rassilon in a pocket dimension, where she lives the rest of her days as an archivist. This ties in nicely with her role in the Doctor Who Experience, if you’ve ever been.
Leela is conscripted and is essentially forced into doing it by Rassilon in order to guarantee Romana remains safe in the pocket dimension. It lines up with her appearance in the War Doctor series, but also leaves it open for further stories.
Narvin’s fate is a little ambiguous. He’s on board a stealth Battle TARDIS with Livia, with the intention to blow it up and stop the Daleks plan. Leela gives him a teleport, but it’s unclear if it was used and he escaped.
Essentially they’re all wrapped up in a way that doesn’t give a final say.
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Post by mark687 on Feb 6, 2021 15:59:32 GMT
OK So I ask the obvious question Who's Dead and Who's in position for supporting Roles in future Doctor led Time War Sets? Regards mark687 Romana is imprisoned by Rassilon in a pocket dimension, where she lives the rest of her days as an archivist. This ties in nicely with her role in the Doctor Who Experience, if you’ve ever been.
Leela is conscripted and is essentially forced into doing it by Rassilon in order to guarantee Romana remains safe in the pocket dimension. It lines up with her appearance in the War Doctor series, but also leaves it open for further stories.
Narvin’s fate is a little ambiguous. He’s on board a stealth Battle TARDIS with Livia, with the intention to blow it up and stop the Daleks plan. Leela gives him a teleport, but it’s unclear if it was used and he escaped.
Essentially they’re all wrapped up in a way that doesn’t give a final say. Cheers Regards mark687
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Post by elkawho on Feb 7, 2021 5:24:16 GMT
Freaking LOVED Richard Armitage in this.
The rest....meh.
This entire series is an enigma to me. I don't know why I keep listening to it other than it's there and I should. I think the only Gallifrey series that I've actually enjoyed were Gallifrey, Series 4 and Gallifrey: Time War Volume 1. After every set I say to myself that I'm done and I'm not buying another, and then they announce it and there I am listening to it. Sometimes I just don't understand myself.
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Post by mbt66 on Feb 7, 2021 10:50:43 GMT
Freaking LOVED Richard Armitage in this. The rest....meh. This entire series is an enigma to me. I don't know why I keep listening to it other than it's there and I should. I think the only Gallifrey series that I've actually enjoyed were Gallifrey, Series 4 and Gallifrey: Time War Volume 1. After every set I say to myself that I'm done and I'm not buying another, and then they announce it and there I am listening to it. Sometimes I just don't understand myself. I haven’t heard this yet, but good to know that Richard Armitage makes a good Rassilon. I really hope there is a meeting planned with him and Paul MGann’s Doctor. It is comforting to know that I am not the only one in an “abusive relationship” with Gallifrey. I just keep coming back for more disappointment and listening punishment.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Feb 7, 2021 12:13:11 GMT
A Future story idea from me: {Spoiler} A regenerated Romana could be used in her Archivist role to explain the truth of The Timeless Child. If she is released by The Doctor at some point
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 7, 2021 12:29:12 GMT
Freaking LOVED Richard Armitage in this. The rest....meh. This entire series is an enigma to me. I don't know why I keep listening to it other than it's there and I should. I think the only Gallifrey series that I've actually enjoyed were Gallifrey, Series 4 and Gallifrey: Time War Volume 1. After every set I say to myself that I'm done and I'm not buying another, and then they announce it and there I am listening to it. Sometimes I just don't understand myself. I haven’t heard this yet, but good to know that Richard Armitage makes a good Rassilon. I really hope there is a meeting planned with him and Paul MGann’s Doctor. It is comforting to know that I am not the only one in an “abusive relationship” with Gallifrey. I just keep coming back for more disappointment and listening punishment. I'm sorry to dash your hopes, but Romana mentions to Brax that she's aware the Doctor has "changed", which would imply Night of the Doctor has already occurred by this point. While the Armitage Rassilon and McGann Doctor meeting isn't impossible (maybe set during the Gallifrey: Time War 3 period?), it'd be a pretty tight fit continuity-wise
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Post by theillusiveman on Feb 7, 2021 12:43:39 GMT
I haven’t heard this yet, but good to know that Richard Armitage makes a good Rassilon. I really hope there is a meeting planned with him and Paul MGann’s Doctor. It is comforting to know that I am not the only one in an “abusive relationship” with Gallifrey. I just keep coming back for more disappointment and listening punishment. I'm sorry to dash your hopes, but Romana mentions to Brax that she's aware the Doctor has "changed", which would imply Night of the Doctor has already occurred by this point. While the Armitage Rassilon and McGann Doctor meeting isn't impossible (maybe set during the Gallifrey: Time War 3 period?), it'd be a pretty tight fit continuity-wise It could also imply The events of Lies in Ruin but yeah sadly the biggest missed opportunity
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Post by mbt66 on Feb 7, 2021 12:57:17 GMT
I haven’t heard this yet, but good to know that Richard Armitage makes a good Rassilon. I really hope there is a meeting planned with him and Paul MGann’s Doctor. It is comforting to know that I am not the only one in an “abusive relationship” with Gallifrey. I just keep coming back for more disappointment and listening punishment. I'm sorry to dash your hopes, but Romana mentions to Brax that she's aware the Doctor has "changed", which would imply Night of the Doctor has already occurred by this point. While the Armitage Rassilon and McGann Doctor meeting isn't impossible (maybe set during the Gallifrey: Time War 3 period?), it'd be a pretty tight fit continuity-wise I did wonder how far into the war this Gallifrey set would be. It is a shame they won’t get a confrontation, but then it was shame that we never got to hear Romana asking the Eighth Doctor for his assistance at the start of the war. The writers must have decided that there wasn’t much story in that...and they could be right. Paul McGann time can probably be better spent elsewhere.
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Post by Whovitt on Feb 7, 2021 13:02:12 GMT
Okay. We're at "the end" of Gallifrey (one way or another). An end was promised and an end of sorts was delivered. Was it a completely satisfying end though...? Honestly, I'm not sure. Deception felt a lot like filler, which is basically what it was. The first 10-15 minutes were designed exclusively to create an excuse for the first two episodes to exist at all. Neither contributed anything meaningful to the ongoing plot that couldn't have been established in less than 30 minutes otherwise, and neither did anything particularly interesting either. The deception field was an interesting concept, but the time spent in the field was too long and it became a bit boring for me. As for Dissolution, others have already outlined my major gripe with it - Rayo's suspicious of Narvin for no other reason than the episode needs some kind of drama, and not only is it really forced but I also felt it wasn't very well-acted. This is the first story I've ever listened to where I was irrevocably aware of just how much an actor was breathing. Every time Omar Austin prepared to say a line, I heard this massive intake of breath as though he'd been holding it for a minute. Once I'd noticed it I couldn't stop hearing it, no matter how much I tried to focus on literally anything else. It was so distracting and flipping irritating! (Sorry if others now hear this and can't unhear it...) I had the complete version of Beyond when I listened to it, but I wasn't particularly taken by it anyway. We got a cheap, throwaway excuse to keep Romana alive from the end of the last set, the Ravenous were there because... they could be, and Brax had already left the War, so having him leave the War again felt pretty superfluous. It was all just an excuse to bring Romana back for the finale. So, Homecoming. I can't say it was bad as such because I don't think it was. It really didn't feel like anything new though. I think it seriously suffers from being released so soon after the original "end" of the Eighth Doctor: Time War series. That had considerably higher stakes and felt far more Time War-ending than this did (even though we know neither could actually be The End), and as such this finale feels much less impactful as a whole. I also felt the character's "conclusions" were a little weak. Romana survives, locked away in a pocket dimension; Leela continues on, and will inevitably always continue on, so there's no fear she'll turn up again at some point; and Narvin... I'm not remotely convinced they killed him. If they hadn't included the brief radio contact with Eris, I'd fully 100% believe they'd killed him off! No question. But by having that spark of hope, if we never see Narvin again before I die aged 80 (which is 57 years from now), I'll eat whatever headwear is fashionable at that time on my deathbed Armitage was a little hit-and-miss for me. In some scenes I thought he was stellar, but in others I thought he came across as a bit of an average Who villain. As for the Dalek Emperor, I don't understand why they have him in "god mode" pre- The Parting of the Ways. The point in TPotW was that "[He'd] reached into the dirt and made new life. [He was] the god of all Daleks." If he's already a god before he's committed the actions that make him the god... doesn't that kind of defeat the point? It does for me, anyway. Final thoughts: I don't know. I can't argue that we didn't get the promised end in one way or another, but I nothing feels final enough for me. The doors are open for every single major character to return in some capacity at some point, so I don't really have any sense of closure from this, which is what I was really after. Maybe I'm growing up and my tastes in drama are starting to move away from the more family friendly feel BF goes for with their Doctor Who related products? Call me morbid, but I desperately wanted someone to get definitively killed. For the Time War, something that was supposed to be so utterly devastating across the entire universe, the plot armour all our characters seem to have is almost thicker than that worn by the leads in the latter seasons of Game of Thrones...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2021 14:32:04 GMT
Okay. We're at "the end" of Gallifrey (one way or another). An end was promised and an end of sorts was delivered. Was it a completely satisfying end though...? Honestly, I'm not sure. Deception felt a lot like filler, which is basically what it was. The first 10-15 minutes were designed exclusively to create an excuse for the first two episodes to exist at all. Neither contributed anything meaningful to the ongoing plot that couldn't have been established in less than 30 minutes otherwise, and neither did anything particularly interesting either. The deception field was an interesting concept, but the time spent in the field was too long and it became a bit boring for me. As for Dissolution, others have already outlined my major gripe with it - Rayo's suspicious of Narvin for no other reason than the episode needs some kind of drama, and not only is it really forced but I also felt it wasn't very well-acted. This is the first story I've ever listened to where I was irrevocably aware of just how much an actor was breathing. Every time Omar Austin prepared to say a line, I heard this massive intake of breath as though he'd been holding it for a minute. Once I'd noticed it I couldn't stop hearing it, no matter how much I tried to focus on literally anything else. It was so distracting and flipping irritating! (Sorry if others now hear this and can't unhear it...) I had the complete version of Beyond when I listened to it, but I wasn't particularly taken by it anyway. We got a cheap, throwaway excuse to keep Romana alive from the end of the last set, the Ravenous were there because... they could be, and Brax had already left the War, so having him leave the War again felt pretty superfluous. It was all just an excuse to bring Romana back for the finale. So, Homecoming. I can't say it was bad as such because I don't think it was. It really didn't feel like anything new though. I think it seriously suffers from being released so soon after the original "end" of the Eighth Doctor: Time War series. That had considerably higher stakes and felt far more Time War-ending than this did (even though we know neither could actually be The End), and as such this finale feels much less impactful as a whole. I also felt the character's "conclusions" were a little weak. Romana survives, locked away in a pocket dimension; Leela continues on, and will inevitably always continue on, so there's no fear she'll turn up again at some point; and Narvin... I'm not remotely convinced they killed him. If they hadn't included the brief radio contact with Eris, I'd fully 100% believe they'd killed him off! No question. But by having that spark of hope, if we never see Narvin again before I die aged 80 (which is 57 years from now), I'll eat whatever headwear is fashionable at that time on my deathbed Armitage was a little hit-and-miss for me. In some scenes I thought he was stellar, but in others I thought he came across as a bit of an average Who villain. As for the Dalek Emperor, I don't understand why they have him in "god mode" pre- The Parting of the Ways. The point in TPotW was that "[He'd] reached into the dirt and made new life. [He was] the god of all Daleks." If he's already a god before he's committed the actions that make him the god... doesn't that kind of defeat the point? It does for me, anyway. Final thoughts: I don't know. I can't argue that we didn't get the promised end in one way or another, but I nothing feels final enough for me. The doors are open for every single major character to return in some capacity at some point, so I don't really have any sense of closure from this, which is what I was really after. Maybe I'm growing up and my tastes in drama are starting to move away from the more family friendly feel BF goes for with their Doctor Who related products? Call me morbid, but I desperately wanted someone to get definitively killed. For the Time War, something that was supposed to be so utterly devastating across the entire universe, the plot armour all our characters seem to have is almost thicker than that worn by the leads in the latter seasons of Game of Thrones... I guess that is an issue with Big Finish and being confined to the TV show. Even if they have the (legal) right to kill off characters from Tv who (something i doubt tbh) they probably wouldn’t want to kill Romana or Leela in case it is somehow contradicted by the show later down the line. So that leaves characters like Narvin to off...but at the same time original character's are necessary as they can be unbound to do what they like and develop them how they want and more than anything leave their own stamp on who history...so its like a double edged sword. Tbh i think thats why The Time War stuff falls flat for a lot of people. Yes Big Finish have always slotted storys imto existing gaps in the TV show. But the difference with the Time War era is that the punchline (the “destruction” of gallifrey and the daleks) is the same. They aren’t really adding a new era, like Six and Evelyn or Ace and hex, its just kinda of filler episodes that don’t really progress anything. Maybe a solution to fix whats been missing for some is for Big Finish to create their own era in the Time War. Maybes introduce a third major adversary or maybes a cease fire because of *insert reason here* maybes for a time the Time War Becomes a Cold War because of a stalemate or just something. At the minute Big Finish are doing a load of Time War story's but they are all inconsequential and going forward their needs to be a think about how Big Finish can leave their imprint on the Time War.
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Post by mark687 on Feb 8, 2021 20:08:03 GMT
Apparently the fault was with Both APP and PC Versions (should be sorted if you Download again)
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mark687
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Post by pawntake on Feb 9, 2021 11:38:50 GMT
Thank for that Mark,much appreciated
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Post by Who Review on Feb 9, 2021 18:36:26 GMT
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