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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 3, 2021 14:40:12 GMT
Repeatedly sexually harassing fellow cast members on Doctor Who & Torchwood. This is something which has been well known, reported about in a jokey way by the media & also discussed as just a part of loveable John's personality at conventions where people listening to the stories being retold find it amusing for some weird reason. firsty I am not saying Barrowman Or Clarke is right or wrong just until theyhave been prosecuted of unlawful activity we should stop this judgement And talk of banning/boycotting their work Exposing your self is not sexual harassment, we do it in the toilet everyday, and the law on exposure is complicated but based on situation not the act.......Example in uk law it’s perfectly allowed to be naked in your own garden but if someone overlooks you and complains you must refrain from doing it.....no one apart from Noel has made a complaint as he tried to excuse his behaviour........In fact it’s often been joked about by barrowmans co-workers it’s never been a secret it’s something the work place should have dealt with its no Retrospective criminal act. it’s all about context its not nice, and I’m not excusing it but we need to Put it in perspective, do we sack and boycott everyone who has mooned out of the window at you, photocopied their bits, or everyone who has ever played who can wee the furthest/ highest with a work mate .........We would lose a third of workers over night, hell! I had a boss who mooned out the window of his office if he thought you were talking to long....... it sounds horrid written down but was something everyone just laughed and pointed at no one was harmed it worked you were embarrassed but much less than being shouted. retrospective bad behaviour would mean we should no longer watch films Or show anything by the loathsome Robert Mitchum, christoper Walker, humphy bogart, Oliver Reed, Peter o’toole, many bands from 60’s, 70’s & 80’s and numerous others.........we need to Look long and hard about witch-hunting.......we have laws and trial by social media is not the way to deal with stuff we cannot go on condoning something and persecuting others........ The companies that stop working with the accused are cowardly and wrong to publicly convict before an offence has been proved in law, it’s fine to stop working privately but to not show something and publicly denounce them because of allegations is just being judge and jury and executioner is just wrong we knew of johns crude behaviour long before this and accepted it (if not approved), where Noel Clark’s Appears wrong and has been hidden, harmful and Now reported and now being investigated. He has yet to be found guilty of anything. Just think about last time you broke the law (we all do it, be it speeding, swearing, ripping a cd or dvd, etc) should someone on twitter decide your fate based on their option and no facts or context, or should we let the law decide if there has been an offence, then act. sorry to rant, but this judgement on someone’s life over social media is Just so wrong and has to stop, what happened to everyone is innocent until proven guilty It's not judgement over social media. It's holding people to account for their actions. If I had a boss who mooned out the window I would report them. Unacceptable. If I knew someone at work had photocopied their genitalia I would report them. Unacceptable. Yes we have always known about Barrowman's behaviour & some of us have always thought it unacceptable. Weird how it is being called witch-hunting or trial by social media. People are allowed to discuss these things & how they feel about them on social media or a forum. Also we don't expose ourselves in the toilet everyday, bit weird to try to equate rubbing genitalia against a coworker or walking around the workplace with your gentials out to going to the toilet. |
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Post by muckypup on May 3, 2021 14:59:45 GMT
firsty I am not saying Barrowman Or Clarke is right or wrong just until theyhave been prosecuted of unlawful activity we should stop this judgement And talk of banning/boycotting their work Exposing your self is not sexual harassment, we do it in the toilet everyday, and the law on exposure is complicated but based on situation not the act.......Example in uk law it’s perfectly allowed to be naked in your own garden but if someone overlooks you and complains you must refrain from doing it.....no one apart from Noel has made a complaint as he tried to excuse his behaviour........In fact it’s often been joked about by barrowmans co-workers it’s never been a secret it’s something the work place should have dealt with its no Retrospective criminal act. it’s all about context its not nice, and I’m not excusing it but we need to Put it in perspective, do we sack and boycott everyone who has mooned out of the window at you, photocopied their bits, or everyone who has ever played who can wee the furthest/ highest with a work mate .........We would lose a third of workers over night, hell! I had a boss who mooned out the window of his office if he thought you were talking to long....... it sounds horrid written down but was something everyone just laughed and pointed at no one was harmed it worked you were embarrassed but much less than being shouted. retrospective bad behaviour would mean we should no longer watch films Or show anything by the loathsome Robert Mitchum, christoper Walker, humphy bogart, Oliver Reed, Peter o’toole, many bands from 60’s, 70’s & 80’s and numerous others.........we need to Look long and hard about witch-hunting.......we have laws and trial by social media is not the way to deal with stuff we cannot go on condoning something and persecuting others........ The companies that stop working with the accused are cowardly and wrong to publicly convict before an offence has been proved in law, it’s fine to stop working privately but to not show something and publicly denounce them because of allegations is just being judge and jury and executioner is just wrong we knew of johns crude behaviour long before this and accepted it (if not approved), where Noel Clark’s Appears wrong and has been hidden, harmful and Now reported and now being investigated. He has yet to be found guilty of anything. Just think about last time you broke the law (we all do it, be it speeding, swearing, ripping a cd or dvd, etc) should someone on twitter decide your fate based on their option and no facts or context, or should we let the law decide if there has been an offence, then act. sorry to rant, but this judgement on someone’s life over social media is Just so wrong and has to stop, what happened to everyone is innocent until proven guilty It's not judgement over social media. It's holding people to account for their actions. If I had a boss who mooned out the window I would report them. Unacceptable. If I knew someone at work had photocopied their genitalia I would report them. Unacceptable. Yes we have always known about Barrowman's behaviour & some of us have always thought it unacceptable. Weird how it is being called witch-hunting or trial by social media. People are allowed to discuss these things & how they feel about them on social media or a forum. Also we don't expose ourselves in the toilet everyday, bit weird to try to equate rubbing genitalia against a coworker or walking around the workplace with your gentials out to going to the toilet. I am not getting into a argument dude.....but we see and experience the world very diffrently. |
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Post by mark687 on May 3, 2021 15:06:07 GMT
It's not judgement over social media. It's holding people to account for their actions. If I had a boss who mooned out the window I would report them. Unacceptable. If I knew someone at work had photocopied their genitalia I would report them. Unacceptable. Yes we have always known about Barrowman's behaviour & some of us have always thought it unacceptable. Weird how it is being called witch-hunting or trial by social media. People are allowed to discuss these things & how they feel about them on social media or a forum. Also we don't expose ourselves in the toilet everyday, bit weird to try to equate rubbing genitalia against a coworker or walking around the workplace with your gentials out to going to the toilet. I am not getting into a argument dude.....but we see and experience the world very diffrently. And that's the crux in the case of the thread Subject Heading both viewpoints could be argued have validly in the real world arena. Regards mark687 |
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Post by muckypup on May 3, 2021 15:26:41 GMT
I am not getting into a argument dude.....but we see and experience the world very diffrently. And that's the crux in the case of the thread Subject Heading both viewpoints could be argued have validly in the real world arena. Regards mark687 Exactly we are all wrong and all right to....... but the title who will replace is still wrong........ but done making my point |
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Post by relativetime on May 4, 2021 12:50:17 GMT
I don’t think what Barrowman did in the past was right and if the people he worked with are stepping forward asking that he be held accountable for those actions or for some form of apology from Barrowman, then that should certainly happen.
But I do take issue with this idea of “ruining” Barrowman’s career and especially if it’s over behavior from over a decade ago. If the allegations were more serious then that might be a different matter, but they’re not as far as I’m aware.
Regardless, I feel the focus should not be on punishing people and instead on making sure people can go to work in a safe environment. Too often the conversation is geared toward this righteous fury at the people doing these horrible things and we get so focused on punishing them or “holding them accountable” that we forget to campaign for things that will make a more lasting impact, such as fighting the system that allowed this abuse to happen in the first place.
And if we don’t allow for people to redeem themselves and encourage and trust them to do better after they’ve done something bad but not necessarily malicious, then we’re making more enemies than we are allies. Again, I’m not saying we should just give someone a pat on the back after they’ve abused someone on set like Joss Whedon and Noel Clarke reportedly have - I’m more inclined to agree with how they’ve fallen from the spotlight in those cases. But if it’s a case of acting indecently on set and making people uncomfortable (unless I’m misunderstanding or haven’t heard all of the news around Barrowman) - call me stupid, but I feel that’s not worth canceling over.
If Barrowman continues to behave inappropriately on set and refuses to make changes, then if people no longer wish to work with him I feel that’s perfectly fair. I feel it’s perfectly fair and reasonable for people to not want to work with him now, in fact. But I don’t feel right calling for Barrowman to be canceled over something like this - not to the extreme as if it was someone who has assaulted people or made homophobic/transphobic/racist remarks.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 4, 2021 14:56:57 GMT
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 5, 2021 16:05:34 GMT
Noel Clarke has been axed from London Comic Con amid pressure from fans after sexual misconduct allegations.
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Post by lidar2 on May 5, 2021 22:53:46 GMT
Going back to the title of this thread, is Barrowman leaving audio TW? Has he been dropped because of his alleged (mis)conduct or is this just a hypothetical discussion?
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Post by theillusiveman on May 6, 2021 1:19:03 GMT
Going back to the title of this thread, is Barrowman leaving audio TW? Has he been dropped because of his alleged (mis)conduct or is this just a hypothetical discussion? I don’t think so they still have audios of barrowman to come out (the tenth doctor audio) Barrowman also has been filmed for the fractured time project And the rumours that he has filmed for series 13 |
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 6, 2021 7:41:38 GMT
Going back to the title of this thread, is Barrowman leaving audio TW? Has he been dropped because of his alleged (mis)conduct or is this just a hypothetical discussion? No official word yet. All quiet from everyone...so far. So some of us are speculating. |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2021 17:36:20 GMT
You'd think SOMETHING would be said.
Also, it's a hypothetical question.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 6, 2021 18:19:28 GMT
You'd think SOMETHING would be said. Yep, the silence is odd even his co-workers who have been on the receiving end have remained silent, not even speaking up to defend him... |
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Post by mark687 on May 6, 2021 20:20:41 GMT
If the Thread Subject lost their Career would anyone here personally care either way it seems some on here objectively want that outcome and again as far we know the Thread Subject hasn't had a Criminal Accusation made against them.
If they were to leave short term would be Andy Owen then long term probably be a mix of Norton and Yvonne although as I've said similarly before the wider the debate becomes on Creatives Actions and Attitudes , the wider the context becomes
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Post by thelonecenturion on May 6, 2021 20:48:50 GMT
I think if Big Finish works with Barrowman in the future (which I think they should), they should also put out a statement outlining what is and what is not acceptable behaviour, and Barrowman himself should make a public statement about his behaviour in the past, and how he will behave in the future.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on May 7, 2021 7:40:26 GMT
If the Thread Subject lost their Career would anyone here personally care either way it seems some on here objectively want that outcome and again as far we know the Thread Subject hasn't had a Criminal Accusation made against them. If they were to leave short term would be Andy Owen then long term probably be a mix of Norton and Yvonne although as I've said similarly before the wider the debate becomes on Creatives Actions and Attitudes , the wider the context becomes Regards mark687 I would care. Get rid of him! |
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Post by Chakoteya on May 7, 2021 8:20:44 GMT
Hmm.
Having a go at a gay icon is homophobia, cancelling a heterosexual is obligatory.
That's the vibe I'm picking up from various sources. It shouldn't be like that.
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Post by cwm on May 7, 2021 9:13:52 GMT
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Post by ollychops on May 7, 2021 9:43:43 GMT
The Guardian contacted Barrowman who stressed that it was “tom-foolery” and not meant in a sexual nature... An apology at the same time would probably help it go over better.
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Post by mark687 on May 7, 2021 9:52:48 GMT
So whoever they decide was in charge of running the Set on a day to day basis isn't going to be working again in the Industry one would assume. Regards mark687 |
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Post by grinch on May 7, 2021 10:26:56 GMT
The Guardian contacted Barrowman who stressed that it was “tom-foolery” and not meant in a sexual nature... An apology at the same time would probably help it go over better. Might be a case of too little, too late even if he did make an apology. I don’t know, I have mixed feelings regarding the whole thing but it will be interesting to see if Big Finish drop him or not. I’d imagine they’ll at least be forced to make a statement at some point. |
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