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Post by number13 on May 13, 2021 10:41:59 GMT
Yeah, casting seems like an issue. AFAIK no one has "technically" performed as a Delgado recast. Sorry 'bout the idiom. I pick these things up from all over the place, though that one may be a decadecentury or two out of date. I think I got it from 1930s noir mysteries? 1930s? Still too modern for me . Only joking - I'm wondering, with the many Masters on BF's rota, whether they would go for a Delgado soundalike, but then, would any other incarnation feel 'right?' It's a difficult one. Jon Culshaw's Delgado Master in the audiobook 'Terror of the Masters' was much better than in the TLV Short Trip he did. I think BF have their Delgado Master right there, I'd be more than happy to hear him play the role in the 3DAs now. And think of the happy producers and directors when they know they can have the Brig and the Master for one fee and no extra scheduling required...
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Post by grinch on May 13, 2021 10:43:31 GMT
1930s? Still too modern for me . Only joking - I'm wondering, with the many Masters on BF's rota, whether they would go for a Delgado soundalike, but then, would any other incarnation feel 'right?' It's a difficult one. Jon Culshaw's Delgado Master in the audiobook 'Terror of the Masters' was much better than in the TLV Short Trip he did. I think BF have their Delgado Master right there, I'd be more than happy to hear him play the role in the 3DAs now. And think of the happy producers and directors when they know they can have the Brig and the Master for one fee and no extra scheduling required... Also gives them an excuse to have a story where the Master disguises himself as the Brigadier as well!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 10:45:54 GMT
Jon Culshaw's Delgado Master in the audiobook 'Terror of the Masters' was much better than in the TLV Short Trip he did. I think BF have their Delgado Master right there, I'd be more than happy to hear him play the role in the 3DAs now. And think of the happy producers and directors when they know they can have the Brig and the Master for one fee and no extra scheduling required... Also gives them an excuse to have a story where the Master disguises himself as the Brigadier as well! Haha! I was just going to make that very point - the Brig could be possessed by The Master: problem solved! I haven't heard Terror of the Masters, but that sounds like a good recommendation.
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Post by number13 on May 13, 2021 10:51:04 GMT
Also gives them an excuse to have a story where the Master disguises himself as the Brigadier as well! Haha! I was just going to make that very point - the Brig could be possessed by The Master: problem solved! I haven't heard Terror of the Masters, but that sounds like a good recommendation. Oops my mistake - that's 'Terror of the Master', the singular, definite article. It's not a multi-Master story!
Well worth getting when they separate it out from the 'Masterful' SE as they no doubt will sometime. (For people who didn't get the SE version of 'Masterful'. I thought the whole bundle was great.)
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Post by number13 on May 13, 2021 10:54:23 GMT
Jon Culshaw's Delgado Master in the audiobook 'Terror of the Masters' was much better than in the TLV Short Trip he did. I think BF have their Delgado Master right there, I'd be more than happy to hear him play the role in the 3DAs now. And think of the happy producers and directors when they know they can have the Brig and the Master for one fee and no extra scheduling required... Also gives them an excuse to have a story where the Master disguises himself as the Brigadier as well! 'Really Doctor, how could you possibly be taken in by a rubber mask of me? Look at that moustache - it's nothing like mine.'
'No, but it's like the one you had last week!'
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2021 11:04:13 GMT
Also gives them an excuse to have a story where the Master disguises himself as the Brigadier as well! 'Really Doctor, how could you possibly be taken in by a rubber mask of me? Look at that moustache - it's nothing like mine.'
'No, but it's like the one you had last week!' Bring back Kalid!
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Post by grinch on May 13, 2021 12:20:09 GMT
'Really Doctor, how could you possibly be taken in by a rubber mask of me? Look at that moustache - it's nothing like mine.'
'No, but it's like the one you had last week!' Bring back Kalid! I like to imagine Kalid was a real magician who the Master just knobbled over the head one day and nicked his identity. That’s my head canon at least.
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Post by fitzoliverj on May 13, 2021 17:23:46 GMT
Recast Doctor, recast Sarah, recast Brig.... original Jeremy Fitzoliver?
No?
Nobody?
Stranger things have happened?
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Post by number13 on May 14, 2021 4:26:00 GMT
Recast Doctor, recast Sarah, recast Brig.... original Jeremy Fitzoliver? No? Nobody? Stranger things have happened? It would be OK with me! One last link to my Doctor's final stories (that he made in person at least).
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 5:34:28 GMT
Recast Doctor, recast Sarah, recast Brig.... original Jeremy Fitzoliver? No? Nobody? Stranger things have happened? It would be OK with me! One last link to my Doctor's final stories (that he made in person at least). On the subject of Paradise and Ghosts, I'd be interested in seeing some of Sarah's contacts at Metropolitan being fleshed out a little. It would be interesting to meet her colleagues and see some of the backwash from her work with UNIT. I don't think we've really seen a story where she's forced to make a choice between her instincts as a reporter vs. her responsibilities as a member of the taskforce.
After all, it's easy to forget, but Sarah's fairly new to UNIT's modus operandi with the Third Doctor. She doesn't have the same length of history that the Doctor, Brigadier, Mike and Benton have yet, going back years. Her level of trust and expectations of them as people and a military outfit are going to be different. Something she grows into and maybe something the Doctor sometimes overlooks because he got so used to Jo.
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Post by number13 on May 14, 2021 12:10:51 GMT
It would be OK with me! One last link to my Doctor's final stories (that he made in person at least). On the subject of Paradise and Ghosts, I'd be interested in seeing some of Sarah's contacts at Metropolitan being fleshed out a little. It would be interesting to meet her colleagues and see some of the backwash from her work with UNIT. I don't think we've really seen a story where she's forced to make a choice between her instincts as a reporter vs. her responsibilities as a member of the taskforce.
After all, it's easy to forget, but Sarah's fairly new to UNIT's modus operandi with the Third Doctor. She doesn't have the same length of history that the Doctor, Brigadier, Mike and Benton have yet, going back years. Her level of trust and expectations of them as people and a military outfit are going to be different. Something she grows into and maybe something the Doctor sometimes overlooks because he got so used to Jo.
I think so too. Also, I think part of the reason the Brig. did no more than grumble mildly about having an outsider (and a journalist) wandering in and out of his Top Secret organisation - before giving her a UNIT pass! - was that he too was missing Jo. Not that the Brig's stiff-upper-moustache would ever have allowed itself to quiver, but we knew.
Having Sarah around not only made the Doctor happy (which was good tactics!), but the Brig too; there's that lovely little scene where they're chatting in the corridor in 'Invasion of the Dinosaurs'. Everyone liked Sarah.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 12:34:02 GMT
On the subject of Paradise and Ghosts, I'd be interested in seeing some of Sarah's contacts at Metropolitan being fleshed out a little. It would be interesting to meet her colleagues and see some of the backwash from her work with UNIT. I don't think we've really seen a story where she's forced to make a choice between her instincts as a reporter vs. her responsibilities as a member of the taskforce.
After all, it's easy to forget, but Sarah's fairly new to UNIT's modus operandi with the Third Doctor. She doesn't have the same length of history that the Doctor, Brigadier, Mike and Benton have yet, going back years. Her level of trust and expectations of them as people and a military outfit are going to be different. Something she grows into and maybe something the Doctor sometimes overlooks because he got so used to Jo.
I think so too. Also, I think part of the reason the Brig. did no more than grumble mildly about having an outsider (and a journalist) wandering in and out of his Top Secret organisation - before giving her a UNIT pass! - was that he too was missing Jo. Not that the Brig's stiff-upper-moustache would ever have allowed itself to quiver, but we knew.
Having Sarah around not only made the Doctor happy (which was good tactics!), but the Brig too; there's that lovely little scene where they're chatting in the corridor in 'Invasion of the Dinosaurs'. Everyone liked Sarah. It does seem about as realistic as an Eastenders storyline when you think about it. A Top Secret Paramilitary Organisation, granting formal access to come and go, to an attractive young female reporter. Why? - Oh, she's on rather good terms with our scientific adviser. He's an Alien Traveller in Space and Time, you know, so what pleases him, goes. Someone get on the phone to Geneva - we need the men in white coats....
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Post by number13 on May 14, 2021 13:09:43 GMT
I think so too. Also, I think part of the reason the Brig. did no more than grumble mildly about having an outsider (and a journalist) wandering in and out of his Top Secret organisation - before giving her a UNIT pass! - was that he too was missing Jo. Not that the Brig's stiff-upper-moustache would ever have allowed itself to quiver, but we knew.
Having Sarah around not only made the Doctor happy (which was good tactics!), but the Brig too; there's that lovely little scene where they're chatting in the corridor in 'Invasion of the Dinosaurs'. Everyone liked Sarah. It does seem about as realistic as an Eastenders storyline when you think about it. A Top Secret Paramilitary Organisation, granting formal access to come and go, to an attractive young female reporter. Why? - Oh, she's on rather good terms with our scientific adviser. He's an Alien Traveller in Space and Time, you know, so what pleases him, goes. Someone get on the phone to Geneva - we need the men in white coats.... 'I see. So then Lethbridge-Stewart, to sum up the last few years, you took on a new boffin who lives in a Police Box, comes from another planet, travels in time and turns into someone else but is still the same chap? He ignores all procedure, won't recognise the chain of command, lambasts our political overlords to their faces and brings random young women into your HQ during one of the biggest crises in years, because the last one turned into a hippie rebel while she was on the payroll and went off up the Amazon looking for mushrooms? Would you agree that's a fair assessment of the position? Yes? I see. Could you put Captain Yates on the line please, I think we have a rather important job for him. Sorry? He's gone where? Sounded like you said he was in a monastery? Oh he is, is he. Then get me that Benton chap and heaven help us all. Enjoy your garden old boy, I'm sure you'll make a full recovery. Eventually.'
No wonder the Brig. kept the truth about his friend a bit hazy and strictly 'need to know'.
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Post by Kestrel on May 15, 2021 12:23:03 GMT
On the subject of Paradise and Ghosts, I'd be interested in seeing some of Sarah's contacts at Metropolitan being fleshed out a little. It would be interesting to meet her colleagues and see some of the backwash from her work with UNIT. I don't think we've really seen a story where she's forced to make a choice between her instincts as a reporter vs. her responsibilities as a member of the taskforce.
After all, it's easy to forget, but Sarah's fairly new to UNIT's modus operandi with the Third Doctor. She doesn't have the same length of history that the Doctor, Brigadier, Mike and Benton have yet, going back years. Her level of trust and expectations of them as people and a military outfit are going to be different. Something she grows into and maybe something the Doctor sometimes overlooks because he got so used to Jo.
I think so too. Also, I think part of the reason the Brig. did no more than grumble mildly about having an outsider (and a journalist) wandering in and out of his Top Secret organisation - before giving her a UNIT pass! - was that he too was missing Jo. Not that the Brig's stiff-upper-moustache would ever have allowed itself to quiver, but we knew.
Having Sarah around not only made the Doctor happy (which was good tactics!), but the Brig too; there's that lovely little scene where they're chatting in the corridor in 'Invasion of the Dinosaurs'. Everyone liked Sarah. It's very possible (even likely) this has been explored in other media, but I'd definitely be very interested to see just... how, exactly, UNIT fits into the United Nations chain-of-command, such as it is. The Brigadier certainly presents as a pretty chill, open-minded boss (far moreso than some of his successors) but... who does he answer to? And who do they answer to? And where does the funding come from? The United Nations is a pretty... decentralized organization. It's hard to imagine how they're able to give the Brigadier so much freedom to run UNIT however he likes. Id definitely love to see the meeting where hiring the 3rd Doctor in the first place was given the green light. Seems like, in all but the most naively utopian of fiction, it'd be a pretty hard sell.
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Post by number13 on May 16, 2021 10:50:16 GMT
I think so too. Also, I think part of the reason the Brig. did no more than grumble mildly about having an outsider (and a journalist) wandering in and out of his Top Secret organisation - before giving her a UNIT pass! - was that he too was missing Jo. Not that the Brig's stiff-upper-moustache would ever have allowed itself to quiver, but we knew.
Having Sarah around not only made the Doctor happy (which was good tactics!), but the Brig too; there's that lovely little scene where they're chatting in the corridor in 'Invasion of the Dinosaurs'. Everyone liked Sarah. It's very possible (even likely) this has been explored in other media, but I'd definitely be very interested to see just... how, exactly, UNIT fits into the United Nations chain-of-command, such as it is. The Brigadier certainly presents as a pretty chill, open-minded boss (far moreso than some of his successors) but... who does he answer to? And who do they answer to? And where does the funding come from? The United Nations is a pretty... decentralized organization. It's hard to imagine how they're able to give the Brigadier so much freedom to run UNIT however he likes. Id definitely love to see the meeting where hiring the 3rd Doctor in the first place was given the green light. Seems like, in all but the most naively utopian of fiction, it'd be a pretty hard sell. That's easy - the Brig never asked permission from anyone! In 'The Claws of Axos' the pen-pusher Chinn is appalled to find the Doctor doesn't have a file. The horror!
What with the Nestenes and the not-Martians and the the Silurians and the mad scientists and the Master and etc etc, it's amazing anyone ever found the time to ask 'where did you find your scientific advisor'. And considering that Chinn's intereference with UNIT very nearly managed to get the world ravaged by Axos, I expect after that little incident the government left UNIT to get on with it as much as possible and thanked their lucky stars that this Dr. John Smith was such a brilliant chap and working for them.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 11:39:04 GMT
It's very possible (even likely) this has been explored in other media, but I'd definitely be very interested to see just... how, exactly, UNIT fits into the United Nations chain-of-command, such as it is. The Brigadier certainly presents as a pretty chill, open-minded boss (far moreso than some of his successors) but... who does he answer to? And who do they answer to? And where does the funding come from? The United Nations is a pretty... decentralized organization. It's hard to imagine how they're able to give the Brigadier so much freedom to run UNIT however he likes. Id definitely love to see the meeting where hiring the 3rd Doctor in the first place was given the green light. Seems like, in all but the most naively utopian of fiction, it'd be a pretty hard sell. That's easy - the Brig never asked permission from anyone! In 'The Claws of Axos' the pen-pusher Chinn is appalled to find the Doctor doesn't have a file. The horror!
What with the Nestenes and the not-Martians and the the Silurians and the mad scientists and the Master and etc etc, it's amazing anyone ever found the time to ask 'where did you find your scientific advisor'. And considering that Chinn's intereference with UNIT very nearly managed to get the world ravaged by Axos, I expect after that little incident the government left UNIT to get on with it as much as possible and thanked their lucky stars that this Dr. John Smith was such a brilliant chap and working for them.
The Countdown comics of the era also put Dr John Smith as a prominent boffin in the international scientific community once he'd settled in. That probably helped give him a certain degree of clout (he looks important, see). The Doctor probably occupies a similar position to Dr Cathy Gale or Emma Peel in The Avengers in relation to Steed. A clandestine civilian recruit -- visible only as much as necessary -- in Brigader Lethbridge-Stewart's continuing operations on the behalf of the United Nations Intelligence Taskforce. There are rumours, certainly, but no one outside the inner circle seems to know the full story. It's kind of why I'm curious to see how Sarah's life is affected by her association. My headcanon is that her position is justified as an extension of UNIT PR. She's their sensitivity reader for cover stories, poking holes in the obvious unrealities and helping to smooth them over to prevent their cover being blown. The last thing they'd want in the midst (or after) a state of emergency is a general panic. The taskforce also needs to be credible, too. Too many crises with too many convenient explanations provoke questions and not every journalist will be as receptive as Miss Smith. The last thing that the Brigadier or any of his officers would need in the midst of an invasion is to be hounded by the press (could you imagine if the tabloids got a hold of it?).
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Post by fitzoliverj on May 16, 2021 11:53:01 GMT
Since the Brig's own CO General Rutledge had basically opened the way for an alien invasion out of sheer personal vanity, I suspect Lethbridge-Stewart found he had a bit more clout than hitherto.
(Actually, the thing I want looked at more closely is the UNIT team from "The Invasion", particularly their flying HQ, because I believe - and I'd have to check this - that the commander of the aircraft was either equivalent in rank or even senior to a Brigadier anyway)
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Post by theillusiveman on May 18, 2021 8:36:53 GMT
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Post by theillusiveman on May 18, 2021 8:38:06 GMT
They certainly put more effort into the trailer than the cover art
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Post by cjr on May 18, 2021 8:48:41 GMT
I’ve been waiting for this to be released Can’t wait to hear the Third Doctor and SJS. That’s the rest of tonight sorted... when the kids go to sleep!
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