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Post by The Brigadier on May 28, 2021 12:23:55 GMT
So I might have missed this particular announcement until about five minutes ago..😳..and while undoubtedly these new boxsets will be purchased over the next eighteen months or so, will be added to the backlog and will lead me yet again into silently cursing the lack of listening hours in a day..I have questions and at the moment too few answers :
What do these changes mean for the future of the four hour boxset format and what might this mean for the First, Third and Eighth Doctor Adventures? Is the era of four boxset storytelling drawing to a close? (I'm hoping the presence of UNIT : Nemesis on the schedules this year means the answer to that one is 'No'. Where do the Companion Chronicles and the Early Adventures ranges fit into this new arrangement? (I will be disappointed if they bring those two to a premature end) and by extension - can we have an update on a release date on the Companion Chronicles : The Second Doctor Volume 3, if possible?
Like I said, questions but no answers at present. Hopefully a state of affairs that won't last long.
All that being said there was one nugget of information within the placeholder announcement that got my attention and almost had me handing over of card details there and then - the confirmation of The Second Doctor: Beyond War Games. Hallelujah! The scruffy little tramp finally gets his own range and corner of the audiobooks tab on the Big Finish website. And on the title alone we get to speculate like crazy for a year just where they might take him..
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Post by theillusiveman on May 28, 2021 13:01:18 GMT
So I might have missed this particular announcement until about five minutes ago..😳..and while undoubtedly these new boxsets will be purchased over the next eighteen months or so, will be added to the backlog and will lead me yet again into silently cursing the lack of listening hours in a day..I have questions and at the moment too few answers : What do these changes mean for the future of the four hour boxset format and what might this mean for the First, Third and Eighth Doctor Adventures? Is the era of four boxset storytelling drawing to a close? (I'm hoping the presence of UNIT : Nemesis on the schedules this year means the answer to that one is 'No'. Where do the Companion Chronicles and the Early Adventures ranges fit into this new arrangement? (I will be disappointed if they bring those two to a premature end) and by extension - can we have an update on a release date on the Companion Chronicles : The Second Doctor Volume 3, if possible? Like I said, questions but no answers at present. Hopefully a state of affairs that won't last long. All that being said there was one nugget of information within the placeholder announcement that got my attention and almost had me handing over of card details there and then - the confirmation of The Second Doctor: Beyond War Games. Hallelujah! The scruffy little tramp finally gets his own range and corner of the audiobooks tab on the Big Finish website. And on the title alone we get to speculate like crazy for a year just where they might take him.. 1) In The Case of 4x Boxset Storytelling is still happening with other rangers (UNIT Nemesis+ Paternoster Gang) but it might be retired for certain Doctors (hoping for The 8th Doctor Adventures to cease that)
2) From what could be told that some of the actors for Companion Chronicles : The Second Doctor Volume 3 weren't available to remote record potentially now that things are improving they might be in the studio agian so perhaps we might get an update in a couple of weeks to a month or two 3) Regarding Early Adventures we do have After The Daleks and Secrets of Det San to be released potentially they might continue but in fewer numbers
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Post by Ela on May 28, 2021 17:41:41 GMT
Maths monkey that I am, I've just some quick calculations (for CD in Aus, but the conversions expenses/savings would equal out to be the same thing in all countries/territories) : 1) The 14-release bundle is actually more expensive than just buying each release separately(!). EDIT: This only seems to be true in Australia. UK customers make more of a saving with the bundle (I wish I could explain why that is, but I honestly don't know!)2) The 10-release bundle plus the Fifth Doctor bundle and the Fourth Doctor bundle is slightly more expensive than the 14-release bundle (so you're still better off going with single releases) 3) The 2-releases bundles (First and Second Doctor, 2x Third Doctor, 2x Fourth Doctor, etc.) is the same price as the 10-release + Fourth Doctor + Fifth Doctor bundle in point 2. If you want to get the releases for an individual Doctor though, the 2-release bundle is cheaper than getting the two releases separately. So, in terms of making the most of your money, you're best off just buying all the releases as separate products in the same order at the same time. Despite your per order charge, my calcs say you make a saving of $35! (The bundle seems pretty disingenuous, being more expensive than the single items. Most people probably aren't going to bother checking the other options, so it kind of feels like they're trying to cheat people out of their money...) The math may change if you don't pre-order. When I once questioned why a bundle cost more than individual releases on pre-order, it was explained to me that the bundles were meant to be a savings once the releases went up to full price. So it may not be intended to be a savings on the pre-order price of each release.
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Post by Ela on May 28, 2021 17:52:21 GMT
I appreciate that there's a "just gimme everything" button as on payday next week I'm just gonna get rid of the hassle of keeping tabs on this mess and do that I appreciate some say they want more details first..well, we never got that as subscribers - we just bought a lot of "TBAs" in advance so I've no issue with the vagueness of the releases at this point. I and others bought the "super-sub" where we paid literally years in advance not having the slightest idea what for, in good faith. "Beyond War Games" - is this 6B then? The comics set after War Games for the Second Doctor are among my favourite ever. Your point about buying a lot of TBAs as subscribers is well-taken. But at least for the Main Range, I knew I was getting the actual 5th, 6th, or 7th Doctor (and 8th, till they started doing separate ranges with him). I've found the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Doctor stories with re-cast Doctors to be hit or miss, so I wouldn't be getting bundles that include those in any case. I'd have to know more about the stories/cast before I buy.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 18:11:54 GMT
I appreciate that there's a "just gimme everything" button as on payday next week I'm just gonna get rid of the hassle of keeping tabs on this mess and do that I appreciate some say they want more details first..well, we never got that as subscribers - we just bought a lot of "TBAs" in advance so I've no issue with the vagueness of the releases at this point. I and others bought the "super-sub" where we paid literally years in advance not having the slightest idea what for, in good faith. "Beyond War Games" - is this 6B then? The comics set after War Games for the Second Doctor are among my favourite ever. Your point about buying a lot of TBAs as subscribers is well-taken. But at least for the Main Range, I knew I was getting the actual 5th, 6th, or 7th Doctor (and 8th, till they started doing separate ranges with him). I've found the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Doctor stories with re-cast Doctors to be hit or miss, so I wouldn't be getting bundles that include those in any case. I'd have to know more about the stories/cast before I buy. Fair point and well made - I should perhaps have added this is aimed also at completists, people who don't pick and choose Doctors etc. It's not exactly like for like with the MR sub model otherwise they'd have just kept that. Yet Nick has said they don't want to have something too much like "subscription by Doctor" as clearly some sell better than others and would anyone want their fave era to be scaled back because "sorry, Tom sells more"? Essentially I don't think it's BF just being nice to subscribers, giving us an equivalent but it's a way of monetising that loyalty/blind faith into getting the cash up front. Something we were always told was the main reason for the MR continuing - the sub model paid in advance for other things wheras if everyone waited for sales and the like it'd be a major issue for BF. It's still the wild west, really and I'm sure there'll be mistakes made and things they learn from - what would sell better and faster, what to scale back, what to make digital only and all sorts. I think, personally, it'd be a good time for soft-reboots. Bringing in new companions, starting new arcs etc. Make it a proper jumping on point.
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Post by pawntake on May 28, 2021 18:26:51 GMT
There is certainly no incentive to buy the DL bundle, DL bundle prices in general at BF are really poor especially when sometimes you will not actually receive the purchase for a couple of years! And you save very little! But having said that! BF have been very generous given us a free full length Sherlock story.Thats not to say there have never been any decent DL bundles, occasionally you will get a bargain.I guess if you are a MR fan then ordering the bundle will be a no-brainer.I buy a lot of DW box-sets,as well as other stuff, so i am pretty sure i will cherry-pick some of these,they are certainly more appealing to me than the old MR format,although i did subscribe for a couple of years,and then along came Boxsets
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Post by Ela on May 28, 2021 19:03:11 GMT
I guess if you are a MR fan then ordering the bundle will be a no-brainer. Not at all. I was a MR subscriber, but it is unlikely that I will be getting the bundles of these, for the reasons I cited several posts up.
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Post by Ela on May 28, 2021 19:14:28 GMT
Just want to add that I don't mind buying bundles and paying years in advance for things if it's something I really want. I do it often (even paying for TBAs if it's a range I know I'll enjoy). And I get Nick's point about not wanting people subscribing by Doctors. I don't really want to subscribe by Doctor, either, though I know that some people do want to subscribe by Doctor. But I also don't want to pay in advance (via bundle purchase) for something I probably wouldn't buy individually in the first place, specifically, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Doctor stories with recast Doctors. I've enjoyed some of those recast stories and some were not my cup of tea at all. So I've really been picky about which of those stories I've bought. By the same token, I'm not, in general, a fan of 10th, 11th, and 12th Doctor stories voiced by Jacob Dudman. It's not that he's not good at what he does, I'm just too aware that he's doing an impersonation of the Doctor he voices and it rather takes me out of the story. My two cents' worth.
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Post by shallacatop on May 28, 2021 19:15:33 GMT
Just to expand on the classic Doctors sets for 2022, we also have two War Doctor’s and at least one Ninth & Tenth Doctor sets apiece following similar formats of 3 discs / 180 minutes.
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Post by thelonecenturion on May 28, 2021 19:32:43 GMT
It's worth noting as well that individual Doctor bundles are also available - and there's a bundle for just the First and Second Doctor releases.
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Post by pawntake on May 28, 2021 19:43:16 GMT
I guess if you are a MR fan then ordering the bundle will be a no-brainer. Not at all. I was a MR subscriber, but it is unlikely that I will be getting the bundles of these, for the reasons I cited several posts up. Ok! That is very interesting! I am obviously wrong about that being a no-brainer,i was forgetting that the early Doctors were not part of the MR,and of course they are all impersonations,so maybe the new format is less appealing to a lot of main rangers than i thought?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 20:03:04 GMT
It's worth noting as well that individual Doctor bundles are also available - and there's a bundle for just the First and Second Doctor releases. Yep, it's clearly something they feel can be done now more than before. They're doing their best, it seems, to make sure there's something for most types of BF listener from the casual to the ones who only buy certain things to the nutters like those of us who would buy 2 hours of Beth Chalmers hiccupping if it was "official BF". No, I don't know why I picked Beth either!
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Post by anothermanicmondas on May 28, 2021 22:23:01 GMT
that is odd the key detail to notice that according to your figures - in the bundle the product is cheaper but the shipping is an extra $60 In UK there is no extra charge for shipping so we just get it cheaper The full 14cd boxset bundle is AUST$497.94.. The postage and handling is $149.02, total balance is $646.96 which works out to just over AUST$46 per boxset... as I said individually it's $526.78 for product and $88.14 shipping (if all done in a single order) whereas for bundle it's $497.94 for product and $149.02 shipping so it's less for product but more for postage As I'm British I don't know if there is any difference in how international pre-orders of multiple items and bundles are dispatched If the order with all as single items was dispatched in one go when all were out and the bundle was dispatched in instalments through the year, that would explain it if the dispatch is the same for both then I don't understand it
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on May 28, 2021 23:08:19 GMT
The full 14cd boxset bundle is AUST$497.94.. The postage and handling is $149.02, total balance is $646.96 which works out to just over AUST$46 per boxset... as I said individually it's $526.78 for product and $88.14 shipping (if all done in a single order) whereas for bundle it's $497.94 for product and $149.02 shipping so it's less for product but more for postage As I'm British I don't know if there is any difference in how international pre-orders of multiple items and bundles are dispatched If the order with all as single items was dispatched in one go when all were out and the bundle was dispatched in instalments through the year, that would explain it if the dispatch is the same for both then I don't understand it
yes.. that's the point of my post- anywhere that isn't UK is different postage and handling and internation tax(es) charges. I know a couple people that don't do pre orders they just do 1-2 big orders per year to save on costs.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 23:33:57 GMT
as I said individually it's $526.78 for product and $88.14 shipping (if all done in a single order) whereas for bundle it's $497.94 for product and $149.02 shipping so it's less for product but more for postage As I'm British I don't know if there is any difference in how international pre-orders of multiple items and bundles are dispatched If the order with all as single items was dispatched in one go when all were out and the bundle was dispatched in instalments through the year, that would explain it if the dispatch is the same for both then I don't understand it
yes.. that's the point of my post- anywhere that isn't UK is different postage and handling and internation tax(es) charges. I know a couple people that don't do pre orders they just do 1-2 big orders per year to save on costs.
When I saw you say they worked out at $46 a box I thought that seemed high but looking at the exchange rate, the bundle ends up here being £19.58 a boxset - which is about $35AUS. So the difference per set is $10AUS, roughly $5. I buy movies from Australia, from Umbrella and Imprint and never get postage as cheap as that. Not even close. My latest Imprint order had postage of $45AUS for one delivery.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on May 28, 2021 23:35:49 GMT
yes.. that's the point of my post- anywhere that isn't UK is different postage and handling and internation tax(es) charges. I know a couple people that don't do pre orders they just do 1-2 big orders per year to save on costs.
When I saw you say they worked out at $46 a box I thought that seemed high but looking at the exchange rate, the bundle ends up here being £19.58 a boxset - which is about $35AUS. So the difference per set is $10AUS, roughly $5. I buy movies from Australia, from Umbrella and Imprint and never get postage as cheap as that. Not even close. My latest Imprint order had postage of $45AUS for one delivery. It's all over the place depending on who/what/where u buy.
Very Annoying.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 23:41:14 GMT
When I saw you say they worked out at $46 a box I thought that seemed high but looking at the exchange rate, the bundle ends up here being £19.58 a boxset - which is about $35AUS. So the difference per set is $10AUS, roughly $5. I buy movies from Australia, from Umbrella and Imprint and never get postage as cheap as that. Not even close. My latest Imprint order had postage of $45AUS for one delivery. It's all over the place depending on who/what/where u buy.
Very Annoying.
As long as people end up paying somewhat the same, it's fair enough. You wouldn't expect to import across the globe cheaper than sticking something in a letterbox. Likewise, as long as people aren't hit with massive customs charges that don't take into account the value of the item (wouldn't be the first time Royal Mail have asked for a handling fee worth more than what I'm purchasing) then that's OK too. I was stung a couple of years ago importing high end speakers from Japan which they are only allowed to ship via sea because of outtdated laws. I wasn't made aware of this till the speakers were here...with an invoice for over £100 along with them. Needless to say, they're still waiting.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on May 28, 2021 23:45:51 GMT
It's all over the place depending on who/what/where u buy.
Very Annoying.
As long as people end up paying somewhat the same, it's fair enough. You wouldn't expect to import across the globe cheaper than sticking something in a letterbox. Likewise, as long as people aren't hit with massive customs charges that don't take into account the value of the item (wouldn't be the first time Royal Mail have asked for a handling fee worth more than what I'm purchasing) then that's OK too. I was stung a couple of years ago importing high end speakers from Japan which they are only allowed to ship via sea because of outtdated laws. I wasn't made aware of this till the speakers were here...with an invoice for over £100 along with them. Needless to say, they're still waiting. Book Depo is free P&H.. www.jbhifi.com.au charges about AUST$1.99 for shipping which is ok, when I can't get down to the shop that's a 5 min drive away, I get in a few days so no dramas there..
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Post by Whovitt on May 29, 2021 0:18:05 GMT
Maths monkey that I am, I've just some quick calculations (for CD in Aus, but the conversions expenses/savings would equal out to be the same thing in all countries/territories) : 1) The 14-release bundle is actually more expensive than just buying each release separately(!). EDIT: This only seems to be true in Australia. UK customers make more of a saving with the bundle (I wish I could explain why that is, but I honestly don't know!)2) The 10-release bundle plus the Fifth Doctor bundle and the Fourth Doctor bundle is slightly more expensive than the 14-release bundle (so you're still better off going with single releases) 3) The 2-releases bundles (First and Second Doctor, 2x Third Doctor, 2x Fourth Doctor, etc.) is the same price as the 10-release + Fourth Doctor + Fifth Doctor bundle in point 2. If you want to get the releases for an individual Doctor though, the 2-release bundle is cheaper than getting the two releases separately. So, in terms of making the most of your money, you're best off just buying all the releases as separate products in the same order at the same time. Despite your per order charge, my calcs say you make a saving of $35! (The bundle seems pretty disingenuous, being more expensive than the single items. Most people probably aren't going to bother checking the other options, so it kind of feels like they're trying to cheat people out of their money...) The math may change if you don't pre-order. When I once questioned why a bundle cost more than individual releases on pre-order, it was explained to me that the bundles were meant to be a savings once the releases went up to full price. So it may not be intended to be a savings on the pre-order price of each release. Oh, the bundle will be miles cheaper once they're no longer in the pre-order phase. I was talking purely about methods of pre-ordering here
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Post by Ela on May 30, 2021 1:26:21 GMT
The math may change if you don't pre-order. When I once questioned why a bundle cost more than individual releases on pre-order, it was explained to me that the bundles were meant to be a savings once the releases went up to full price. So it may not be intended to be a savings on the pre-order price of each release. Oh, the bundle will be miles cheaper once they're no longer in the pre-order phase. I was talking purely about methods of pre-ordering here I got that. And was just pointing out that the bundles are not necessarily priced to save you money on pre-orders. Or so I was told by someone at BF.
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