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Post by Kestrel on Feb 21, 2022 21:52:08 GMT
After Finishing The Annihilators I am much more excited for Beyond War Games than I was before--and I was already very excited! David Troughton's 2nd Doctor was instantly recognizable to my ears, and getting to see Frazier Hines play a proper older Jaime (for real this time) was a delight! I was also very impressed by the sound effects, which were instantly evocative of that old black-and-white era. Especially the reverb/echo in that last scene with the 2nd Doctor and Jaime--you can just picture them standing in that minimalist, lo-fi 1960's-style "void" shouting up at their invisible Time Lord keepers. I am also very excited for the upcoming Doctor Who Unbound sets with Colin Baker, but for now--after Annihilators-- Beyond War Games has skyrocketed up to the very top of my list of most-anticipated upcoming releases. I'm only doing this because I've seen you make this mistake twice, but it's Michael Troughton playing The Second Doctor, not David. David is Peladon. Sorry. TBH I'm just glad I didn't mix-up Patrick Troughton and Jon Pertwee again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2022 21:54:06 GMT
I'm only doing this because I've seen you make this mistake twice, but it's Michael Troughton playing The Second Doctor, not David. David is Peladon. Sorry. TBH I'm just glad I didn't mix-up Patrick Troughton and Jon Pertwee again. TBH, I think David sounds more like Patrick than Michael.
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Post by Kestrel on Feb 21, 2022 22:00:01 GMT
I dont think I've ever heard his Patrick. I've really only seen Michael and Frazier Hines' impressions... It's been a while so I may be misremembering, but my recollection is that Hines' impression of the 2nd Doctor was pretty spot-on. Worth noting though that Jamie won't be appearing in Beyond War Games. From what Briggs said in the behind-the-scenes of The Annihilators, Jamie won't be appearing until the 2023 Second Doctor stories. Interesting. I'm sure the 2DAs will eventually go pre- War Games, but I'd still like to see more of Old Jaime as a companion. We can assume from The Annihilators that Jaime has spent roughly 30 years, give or take, on the TARDIS, mostly working for the Time Lords, but if he's not in Beyond War Games I guess that either means that BWG does not pick up immediately where War Games left off, or that the Doctor winds up re-recruiting Jaime later.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 22, 2022 9:14:58 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Apr 22, 2022 9:30:31 GMT
Oh this seems to have fallen into the same trap as the Seventh Doctor Adventures: “Here’s a launch of a brave new era…with old characters you’ve already seen elsewhere…” Just doesn't scream very new really.
Onto the “wait on reviews” pile this one goes.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 22, 2022 9:32:31 GMT
What’s this obsession with throwing everything into a set? There’s a perfectly good promise here without Daleks, Ice Warriors and the Brigadier. I don’t know about anyone else, but it instantly lessens my interest and just feels uninspired.
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Post by Whovitt on Apr 22, 2022 10:05:34 GMT
What’s this obsession with throwing everything into a set? There’s a perfectly good promise here without Daleks, Ice Warriors and the Brigadier. I don’t know about anyone else, but it instantly lessens my interest and just feels uninspired. ^THIS!!! All of the this! We did. not. need. any of these returning elements. A brand-new actor in the role was all we needed. If they desperately thought they needed another gimmick "selling point", I guess one of these three would have been fine, but Daleks, Ice Warriors, AND the Brigadier is simply ridiculous. Can we please, for the love of [insert preferred word here], have just a few Doctor Who releases this year that don't feature some form of returning element/BF debuts (by this I mean first appearances of recasts or brand-new companions) of any sort? In terms of the straight Who releases (i.e. not including spin-offs), there are only two releases this year that haven't had additional elements in them other than "Doctor x + Companion y", and those are Mind of the Hodiac (which had the huge marketing push because of "written by RTD") and Back to Earth (which still kind of comes with the novelty of having Eccleston back). I might have been excited if this was the first year BF had gone all-in on returning elements or debuts, but they've been slowly building to this oversaturation for a while now. I want to love hearing about every new announcement, but I'm just becoming less and less engaged with every one. There's a point where you simply can't get excited about x meets y anymore, and I think I've reached that point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2022 10:09:03 GMT
What’s this obsession with throwing everything into a set? Welcome to the brave new world of Big Finish in 2022...
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Post by sherlock on Apr 22, 2022 10:11:58 GMT
What’s this obsession with throwing everything into a set? There’s a perfectly good promise here without Daleks, Ice Warriors and the Brigadier. I don’t know about anyone else, but it instantly lessens my interest and just feels uninspired. It is annoying that they seem to have used this premise not to carve out a new era for Two, but just to do the same old crossovers they could do at any other point in the character’s life. They’re even doing a Dalek story for him already in this month’s Companion Chronicles just to prove that point.
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Post by thewatcher on Apr 22, 2022 10:22:22 GMT
i thought this was all about the idea of time lords recruiting 2nd doctor for secret missions then getting his mind wiped before become 3rd doctor? This just seems like more of the same why just regular adventures? what is the point? I have a big backlog of Big Finish things to catch up with but it seems they becoming more boring now?
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 22, 2022 11:56:50 GMT
For the Dalek story I can see why they would bring them back for the first volume of second doctor adventures as it’s kinda thematically linked to Power of the Daleks as the first full story for Troughton’s Doctor
So having a Dalek story would also be financially a solid idea however when it comes to the brigadier and ice warrior story that should have been saved for Vol 3 or 2 (I know we get Jamie for volume 2) Especially as we had the second doctor meet the brigadier in the 3DA earlier this year
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Post by ollychops on Apr 22, 2022 11:59:22 GMT
As someone who isn’t fond of 6B and didn’t think much of Michael’s performance as the Second Doctor, this does absolutely nothing to get me interested.
Daleks again? I don’t mind the Ice Warriors as much (despite the fact they seem to be getting quite a few stories as of late) but the Daleks seem to be popping up everywhere. To me, it seems that BF aren’t confident in this range so they’re shoehorning them in to try and boost sales. For a set that’s supposedly setting up a new era for Two, they’re not exactly doing anything new and unique, instead relying on the usual elements.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 22, 2022 13:14:23 GMT
What’s this obsession with throwing everything into a set? There’s a perfectly good promise here without Daleks, Ice Warriors and the Brigadier. I don’t know about anyone else, but it instantly lessens my interest and just feels uninspired. ^THIS!!! All of the this! We did. not. need. any of these returning elements. A brand-new actor in the role was all we needed. If they desperately thought they needed another gimmick "selling point", I guess one of these three would have been fine, but Daleks, Ice Warriors, AND the Brigadier is simply ridiculous. Can we please, for the love of [insert preferred word here], have just a few Doctor Who releases this year that don't feature some form of returning element/BF debuts (by this I mean first appearances of recasts or brand-new companions) of any sort? In terms of the straight Who releases (i.e. not including spin-offs), there are only two releases this year that haven't had additional elements in them other than "Doctor x + Companion y", and those are Mind of the Hodiac (which had the huge marketing push because of "written by RTD") and Back to Earth (which still kind of comes with the novelty of having Eccleston back). I might have been excited if this was the first year BF had gone all-in on returning elements or debuts, but they've been slowly building to this oversaturation for a while now. I want to love hearing about every new announcement, but I'm just becoming less and less engaged with every one. There's a point where you simply can't get excited about x meets y anymore, and I think I've reached that point. Nostalgia sells
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Post by mark687 on Apr 22, 2022 14:32:47 GMT
Get my cynical view out the way 1st. Every Doctor having their own Range means every Range needs a hook. Returning Foes/Friends are a guaranteed selling hook.
Now personnely I'm hyped for this Season 6B as a concept I've longed for BF to do and having the 3DA Cast in different Roles intrigues.
Regards
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Post by thegreendeath on Apr 22, 2022 14:40:51 GMT
For me the 3DA actors in different roles is far more interesting a hook than Ice Warriors, Daleks and the Brig- those aspects actually pull my interest away. Right now I’m in the wait for reviews line, but I do hope the new and interesting take wins out over the nostalgia-fest in the final product.
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Post by grinch on Apr 22, 2022 15:05:18 GMT
Blimey. They’ve really thrown everything and the kitchen sink at this one, haven’t they? The Daleks also seem to be cropping up everywhere even in a range where they’re not meant to exist!
Personally, I’m more than willing to give Michael Troughton a chance but I do wish they had gone a bit more out there with this first release.
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Post by bonehead on Apr 22, 2022 15:08:38 GMT
Oh this seems to have fallen into the same trap as the Seventh Doctor Adventures: “Here’s a launch of a brave new era…with old characters you’ve already seen elsewhere…” Just doesn't scream very new really. Onto the “wait on reviews” pile this one goes. I agree, this is getting ridiculous. Perhaps it has gone beynd ridiculous. Perhaps I'm extra grumpy because I don't feel the best currently, but it's more because I pre-ordered this because we hadn't heard from the 2nd Doctor in an age, and I thought we'd be getting something a bit different; but no. More Nick Briggs as the voice of the Daleks, and Ice Warriors too - the most interesting thing there is it seems to be Mark Elstob doing the voices - but don't worry, Nick's The Cybermen in the long awaited Sylvester set (no, I'm not a Briggs basher, blah blah, love Sherlock, blah blah, he's good at what he does) ... but really, is this how every set is going to be now? The return of this or that, or X meets Y, often featuring The Brigadier. I just wish BF used the character more when Nicholas Courtney was around.
Yes, nostalgia sells, but not in virtually every story.
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Post by grinch on Apr 22, 2022 15:15:29 GMT
Oh this seems to have fallen into the same trap as the Seventh Doctor Adventures: “Here’s a launch of a brave new era…with old characters you’ve already seen elsewhere…” Just doesn't scream very new really. Onto the “wait on reviews” pile this one goes. I agree, this is getting ridiculous. Perhaps it has gone beynd ridiculous. Perhaps I'm extra grumpy because I don't feel the best currently, but it's more because I pre-ordered this because we hadn't heard from the 2nd Doctor in an age, and I thought we'd be getting something a bit different; but no. More Nick Briggs as the voice of the Daleks, and Ice Warriors too - the most interesting thing there is it seems to be Mark Elstob doing the voices - but don't worry, Nick's The Cybermen in the long awaited Sylvester set (no, I'm not a Briggs basher, blah blah, love Sherlock, blah blah, he's good at what he does) ... but really, is this how every set is going to be now? The return of this or that, or X meets Y, often featuring The Brigadier. I just wish BF used the character more when Nicholas Courtney was around.
Yes, nostalgia sells, but not in virtually every story.
Be good if they addressed this trend and used it as a story opportunity to show why every character seems to bump into every other character at this point. Say, maybe the universe is slowly constricting so Time and Space are made more compact or something. Explaining why the likes of Charley Pollard can bump into Frobisher etc.
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Post by thewatcher on Apr 22, 2022 15:24:14 GMT
Blimey. They’ve really thrown everything and the kitchen sink at this one, haven’t they? The Daleks also seem to be cropping up everywhere even in a range where they’re not meant to exist! Personally, I’m more than willing to give Michael Troughton a chance but I do wish they had gone a bit more out there with this first release. The one thing they haven't thrown at it is originality. It makes me worry what they do if they got Fugitive Doctor, just see her fighting Daleks & meeting River Song probably then all other Doctors and companions with mind wipes for everyone.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Apr 22, 2022 15:32:50 GMT
^THIS!!! All of the this! We did. not. need. any of these returning elements. A brand-new actor in the role was all we needed. If they desperately thought they needed another gimmick "selling point", I guess one of these three would have been fine, but Daleks, Ice Warriors, AND the Brigadier is simply ridiculous. Can we please, for the love of [insert preferred word here], have just a few Doctor Who releases this year that don't feature some form of returning element/BF debuts (by this I mean first appearances of recasts or brand-new companions) of any sort? In terms of the straight Who releases (i.e. not including spin-offs), there are only two releases this year that haven't had additional elements in them other than "Doctor x + Companion y", and those are Mind of the Hodiac (which had the huge marketing push because of "written by RTD") and Back to Earth (which still kind of comes with the novelty of having Eccleston back). I might have been excited if this was the first year BF had gone all-in on returning elements or debuts, but they've been slowly building to this oversaturation for a while now. I want to love hearing about every new announcement, but I'm just becoming less and less engaged with every one. There's a point where you simply can't get excited about x meets y anymore, and I think I've reached that point. Nostalgia sells
Actually, no it doesn't. For the first time in nearly twenty years I've just emailed Big Finish and asked for a refund on my pre-order. I had such high hopes for this one.
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