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Post by enofa on Nov 26, 2023 15:05:47 GMT
Yeah, there’s so little nuanced discussion of the issue. It’s almost impossible for someone to voice an opinion without being accused of supporting genocide or terrorism at the moment. It is possible to sympathise with the people whose lives are affected without condoning the actions of Hamas or the Israeli government (and I say that as someone who is very much not a fence-sitter on the politics behind the situation).
Tracy-Ann Oberman has come across as tedious and hot-headed in the past, I’ve always found her pretty unpleasant to be honest.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Nov 26, 2023 15:58:42 GMT
I find it troubling that reporting on civilians suffering becomes a political contest of who's done what to whom. The primary focus from everyone needs to be protecting innocent lives on both sides. My heart goes out to all suffering the consequences of this awful conflict. I feel public figures have a responsibility to show balanced views because their platform perpetuates division.
It's inevitable when so many people are not prepared to acknowledge even the existence, let alone the involvement, of the multiple communities involved across the region.
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Post by martinw8686 on Nov 26, 2023 18:54:36 GMT
When ever I read about celebrities entering into a public debate on issues around war and humanitarian crisis, I always hope that they'll have a balanced and informed view.
I believe in a society that values everyone, has equal opportunities and helps those in need. I find a capitilist society is often cruel and unfair, often lacking in kindness and charity. I'm pro NHS and believe the rich should be taxed at a higher rate. Sadly a fair amount of people see the world differently, some of these people mean well, some are indifferent and some toxic.
The left and right are constantly back and forth, with celebrities mostly stirring the pot, maintaining the political division.
The only way society will ever progress beyond the merry-go-round it seems stuck on at the moment, is to find a way to work together and respect our differences.
Sorry to ramble on my soapbox. My main point is celebrities need to consider the way they speak on public forums because unless they're working towards realistic positive change, they're only stirring up division, and cynical person might draw the conclusion that their words were only spoken with a view towards publicity and egotism.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 7, 2023 21:57:43 GMT
Barrowman still doesn’t get it.
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Post by timleschild on Dec 7, 2023 23:27:14 GMT
Barrowman still doesn’t get it. Serial abusers never do.
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Post by martinw8686 on Dec 8, 2023 12:06:22 GMT
I find it bizarre that anyone would think repeatedly exposing themselves at work is ever exceptable or funny.
Sometimes people do stupid things when they're young, for example making a drunken fool of themselves at thevoffice party. Usually one poorly thought mistake is enough to learn from.
But JB did these things over a number of years after repeated warnings well into his late 30s and beyond.
We all know that producers indulged acts such as Russell Brand to engage in at least promiscuous and exploitative behaviour, allegedly much worse.
I feel that producers need to be closely scrutinised for a historical culture of allowing "the talent" to behaviour in such a scandalous manner.
I was shocked to watch the recent Dispatches programme on Russell Brand, several production staff reported about a meeting in which the issue of hiring him for an upcoming project was problem solved. They knew he was a risk around women but wanted to hire him anyway, their solution? A male only crew and any unexpected female visitors not to be left alone with him!
Acts like JB are responsible for their actions but an employer culture that allows these actions to continue because they value "the talent" more highly than staff/public safety is something we all need to demand is held accountable.
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Post by timleschild on Dec 8, 2023 14:58:57 GMT
I find it bizarre that anyone would think repeatedly exposing themselves at work is ever exceptable or funny. Sometimes people do stupid things when they're young, for example making a drunken fool of themselves at thevoffice party. Usually one poorly thought mistake is enough to learn from. But JB did these things over a number of years after repeated warnings well into his late 30s and beyond. We all know that producers indulged acts such as Russell Brand to engage in at least promiscuous and exploitative behaviour, allegedly much worse. I feel that producers need to be closely scrutinised for a historical culture of allowing "the talent" to behaviour in such a scandalous manner. I was shocked to watch the recent Dispatches programme on Russell Brand, several production staff reported about a meeting in which the issue of hiring him for an upcoming project was problem solved. They knew he was a risk around women but wanted to hire him anyway, their solution? A male only crew and any unexpected female visitors not to be left alone with him! Acts like JB are responsible for their actions but an employer culture that allows these actions to continue because they value "the talent" more highly than staff/public safety is something we all need to demand is held accountable. & the Dr Who production staff along with the cast, INCLUDING Tennant, turned JB's behaviour into a jokey line in a comedy song. Disgusting. & a reason why I will always have my reservations about this particular team working on the show again
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Post by cwm on Dec 8, 2023 17:28:47 GMT
It seems unlikely to me that anyone involved in the making of The Ballad of Russell and Julie, apart from Barrowman himself, were aware that at that point someone had made a complaint which led to Julie making clear to Barrowman his conduct was unacceptable.
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Post by timleschild on Dec 8, 2023 17:31:09 GMT
It seems unlikely to me that anyone involved in the making of The Ballad of Russell and Julie, apart from Barrowman himself, were aware that at that point someone had made a complaint which led to Julie making clear to Barrowman his conduct was unacceptable. Really? Regardless of a complaint being made or not they thought someone exposing oneself in the workplace was funny enough to put it into a song. Sick mindset. Hopefully things have changed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 1:53:11 GMT
From the Church On Ruby Road thread, Benjamin Cook (who wrote the (wonderful) Big Finish Inside Story book which was a brutally honest look behind the scenes of the first 50 releases in the MR, Iris, Benny and some specials) has acted like a total knob this weekend. For those who don't know Cook, he's a long time chum of RTD (Cook was the co-writer of The Writer's Tale, the one Russel corresponded with in the email format it was in), writer for DWM and the editor of The Daleks in Colour as well as the cinematic trailer for the S20 bluray recently too.
The singer on The Goblin Song from the upcoming special, Christina Rotondo, posted about her happiness that it did so well on the charts. Now, it's OK for us to talk about "well, it's not the main charts but hey - charity". Bejamin tweeted Christina back directly to say "Not on the real charts" then RT'ed Christina to call her out on...gaslighting. Literally said that's what she was doing. Not an implication, he used the word..twice (at least). Again, for a bloody charity song about Goblins.
So people came to defend Christina - bloody right - and Benjamin has deleted things, forgetting that people do take screenshots! Then ClaudiaBoleyn, formerly of the TimeTeam for DWM added she's seen this from Cook before and HE'S gaslit people, is a bully who uses proximity to the higher (and let's be frank, HIGHEST) up people to bully others and he was why she lef DWM, falling into a relapse of depression and self-harm. She wasn't piling on but had said this before, just that now Cook went after Christina for no reason, it was picked up by more.
What a nasty piece of work...I can't obviously substantiate Claudia's experience but his words to Christina and calling her a gaslighter are all over Twitter/X. And she's been quite understandably upset by it since Cook is not just Joe Bloggs but she is at least it seems feeling massively supported by the community.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 18, 2023 11:56:57 GMT
See again another strange one. Its not an untrue statement, yet it reads as a personal attack on the Artists/ The Show, and rather than just apologizing and moving on he then criticise the Fan Reaction to it which does more perceived Damage to the Show's Public Image and the Artist personal feelings.
His last Public Comment on it (Crudely Put but Accurate)
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Post by timleschild on Dec 18, 2023 12:20:27 GMT
I wonder if Ncuti Gatwa has seen the Agatha Christie emails?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 13:04:41 GMT
See again another strange one. Its not an untrue statement, yet it reads as a personal attack on the Artists/ The Show, and rather than just apologizing and moving on he then criticise the Fan Reaction to it which does more perceived Damage to the Show's Public Image and the Artist personal feelings. His last Public Comment on it (Crudely Put but Accurate) Regards mark687 His (failed) damage control, more aptly. There are more than a couple of "This tweet is unavailable" on his account now...but again, people be screenshotters! This ^ he deleted then said he didn't say Christina was gaslighting at all, classy! And amazingly THIS was his attempt to....say sorry, by repeating the accusation (and if people don't know how serious gaslighting is, they need to look it up) Which had the net result of this. Making someone who doesn't seem to have said boo to a goose feel lesser for something special. Session musicians never get their moment in the sun- she had hers blocked by that moron.
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Post by timleschild on Dec 18, 2023 13:10:14 GMT
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Post by timleschild on Dec 18, 2023 13:11:57 GMT
See again another strange one. Its not an untrue statement, yet it reads as a personal attack on the Artists/ The Show, and rather than just apologizing and moving on he then criticise the Fan Reaction to it which does more perceived Damage to the Show's Public Image and the Artist personal feelings. His last Public Comment on it (Crudely Put but Accurate) Regards mark687 His (failed) damage control, more aptly. There are more than a couple of "This tweet is unavailable" on his account now...but again, people be screenshotters! This ^ he deleted then said he didn't say Christina was gaslighting at all, classy! And amazingly THIS was his attempt to....say sorry, by repeating the accusation (and if people don't know how serious gaslighting is, they need to look it up) Which had the net result of this. Making someone who doesn't seem to have said boo to a goose feel lesser for something special. Session musicians never get their moment in the sun- she had hers blocked by that moron. nothing will happen he's one of RTDs little mates.
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Post by sherlock on Dec 18, 2023 13:48:33 GMT
Part 2 of his damage control: He didn’t actually know who she was apparently. Despite…her entire profile making that quite obvious.
Top quality journalism there.
Given the sudden tonal change from yesterday, do wonder if someone gave him a bit of a nudge.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 18, 2023 13:59:49 GMT
See this demonstrates the wider issue the perception of the reader of the Social Media comment Authors intent is fast becoming perceived as the only "True Actual" intent in almost every instance (especially if a negative interpretation is possible)
I don't think either Party meant offence with the int ital Posts but offence was taken, and with no perceived by the majority of Readers Cut and Dry Apology its not good for the show's public image.
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Post by mark687 on Dec 18, 2023 14:02:41 GMT
Part 2 of his damage control: He didn’t actually know who she was apparently. Despite…her entire profile making that quite obvious. Top quality journalism there. Given the sudden tonal change from yesterday, do wonder if someone gave him a bit of a nudge. The 2nd part makes him look (the polite word is Silly) Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2023 14:13:19 GMT
I don't think either Party meant offence with the int ital Posts but offence was taken, and with no perceived by the majority of Readers Cut and Dry Apology its not good for the show's public image. Regards mark687 Calling Christina a gaslighter (twice at least) completely unprovoked and out of nowhere, I think that means to cause offence. It's a serious term. A millenial pro-writer like him knows that. Also meant to cause offence was his mocking people who responded to stick up for Christina - with classy stuff like making fun of their looks or their lack of followers compared to him. That's a particularly crappy thing to resort to. Christina did nothing wrong but be happy she was in a chart, so of course she didn't cause offence. If his need to take her down was so great that he took offence? He needs help. Really isn't a "boths sides" deal. One person did nothing wrong, one did nothing right. I've subbed to DWM for 30 years and support the blurays that he's been involved with. I'd rather my money didn't contribute to someone like that. The show's image is fine. He's not Barrowman, there's not enough fame in either party for this story to go beyond fandom. His own image? Well, that's his fault.
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Post by timleschild on Dec 18, 2023 14:16:42 GMT
See this demonstrates the wider issue the perception of the reader of the Social Media comment Authors intent is fast becoming perceived as the only "True Actual" intent in almost every instance (especially if a negative interpretation is possible) I don't think either Party meant offence with the int ital Posts but offence was taken, and with no perceived by the majority of Readers Cut and Dry Apology its not good for the show's public image. Regards mark687 you are wrong. he said she was gaslighting. he didn't even need to mansplain to her in the first place.
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