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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 13, 2021 13:48:15 GMT
Well how about that
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 13, 2021 13:51:38 GMT
One of the most stupid pathetic episodes of the show. Why choose this one?
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 13, 2021 13:52:27 GMT
I rather like REG’s Doctor. I do wonder what might have been... I can't remember the name of it, but I can remember very distinctly a programme hosted by Richard E. Grant. Set in Africa. At one point, he's on safari with the guides and the group sights a lion lazing out on the savannah. He's given the rifle, which is loaded with its safety off and there's a... almost a breathlessness to him when he holds it. He squares up the animal in the gunsights and asks: "Must I take the shot?" The guide smiles and says, it's entirely up to him. The words I remember most distinctly are: "That's a lot of power..." He adjusts the sights... You can't see his finger, but there's this moment of silence like a vacuum. The complete absence of noise. He exhales... And slowly gives the rifle back to the guide. That, to me, was the most Doctorish moment from an almost Doctor. No. The doctor wouldn't have aimed the gun in the first place.
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Post by sherlock on Oct 13, 2021 13:53:56 GMT
I rather like REG’s Doctor. I do wonder what might have been... I can't remember the name of it, but I can remember very distinctly a programme hosted by Richard E. Grant. Set in Africa. At one point, he's on safari with the guides and the group sights a lion lazing out on the savannah. He's given the rifle, which is loaded with its safety off and there's a... almost a breathlessness to him when he holds it. He squares up the animal in the gunsights and asks: "Must I take the shot?" The guide smiles and says, it's entirely up to him. The words I remember most distinctly are: "That's a lot of power..." He adjusts the sights... You can't see his finger, but there's this moment of silence like a vacuum. The complete absence of noise. He exhales... And slowly gives the rifle back to the guide. That, to me, was the most Doctorish moment from an almost Doctor. Reminds me of the scene of John Smith aiming a gun in the novel version of Human Nature.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 13, 2021 14:00:49 GMT
One of the most stupid pathetic episodes of the show. Why choose this one? Possibly as an example of contrast, a simple bare bones Script thrown in with the high-concept critically acclaimed stuff. Regards mark687
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Post by timegirl on Oct 13, 2021 14:08:13 GMT
Even though Love and Monsters is a strange episode and has a few questionable choices, I actually think this is has some really compelling depiction of DW fandom both good and toxic as well as some of Jackie’s best scenes, and the ending speech about the impact of the Doctor on ordinary people actually makes me cry.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 13, 2021 14:46:14 GMT
I do wonder what might have been... I can't remember the name of it, but I can remember very distinctly a programme hosted by Richard E. Grant. Set in Africa. At one point, he's on safari with the guides and the group sights a lion lazing out on the savannah. He's given the rifle, which is loaded with its safety off and there's a... almost a breathlessness to him when he holds it. He squares up the animal in the gunsights and asks: "Must I take the shot?" The guide smiles and says, it's entirely up to him. The words I remember most distinctly are: "That's a lot of power..." He adjusts the sights... You can't see his finger, but there's this moment of silence like a vacuum. The complete absence of noise. He exhales... And slowly gives the rifle back to the guide. That, to me, was the most Doctorish moment from an almost Doctor. No. The doctor wouldn't have aimed the gun in the first place. Really? I can recall several instances where they did use weapons in similar situations.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 13, 2021 18:45:15 GMT
So I held off on this, and even considered making it its own thread (The Next Michael Grade? perhaps) but now, RTD's gone for the juggular: And if you were wondering if there was follow up:
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Post by mark687 on Oct 13, 2021 20:35:18 GMT
So I held off on this, and even considered making it its own thread (The Next Michael Grade? perhaps) but now, RTD's gone for the juggular: And if you were wondering if there was follow up:
Nice Hand picking The BBC Director General seems to have backfired somewhat on UK GOV in commercial matters at least Regards mark687
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 23:23:46 GMT
I do wonder what might have been... I can't remember the name of it, but I can remember very distinctly a programme hosted by Richard E. Grant. Set in Africa. At one point, he's on safari with the guides and the group sights a lion lazing out on the savannah. He's given the rifle, which is loaded with its safety off and there's a... almost a breathlessness to him when he holds it. He squares up the animal in the gunsights and asks: "Must I take the shot?" The guide smiles and says, it's entirely up to him. The words I remember most distinctly are: "That's a lot of power..." He adjusts the sights... You can't see his finger, but there's this moment of silence like a vacuum. The complete absence of noise. He exhales... And slowly gives the rifle back to the guide. That, to me, was the most Doctorish moment from an almost Doctor. Reminds me of the scene of John Smith aiming a gun in the novel version of Human Nature. Oh, yeah! With Phipps, you mean? I remember it. Smith has a moment with the Vickers gun where he's looking around the room like its a diorama. Unnaturally still. He suddenly understands what's behind all the poetry, music and spectacle about war (i.e. making sense of the cruelty of death). With Dalek Universe having come out, it's put me to mind of two scenes from the Tenth Doctor on television. They're long those moments. He has the gun, he has a target and he has one more thing. Something Richard E. Grant didn't have. In those moments, the Doctor has motive to use it. But, with that choice in his hand -- he ultimately makes the decision not to kill. An active thought. I find that's an important (and terribly interesting) aspect of the Doctor's character. It's a choice made and, occassionally, we see the moments where they fail. They're not perfect. Sometimes events just get away from them and they end up emptying the full clip of a handgun into a Dalek mutant ( Resurrection was rough for the Fifth Doctor, oof...). Because they very nearly always hold themself to account for their actions. For failing to live up to their own moral standard. They use that failure to try and do better in one fashion or another. The gun, the simplicity of that method of murder ("Pull a trigger, end a life.") is almost symbolic of that struggle.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 13, 2021 23:36:08 GMT
So I held off on this, and even considered making it its own thread (The Next Michael Grade? perhaps) but now, RTD's gone for the juggular: And if you were wondering if there was follow up:
And now it seems we have a third(ish) part, albeit a bit broader than just Dorries' own agenda and calls out anti-trans discrimination.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 15, 2021 13:12:37 GMT
Well, we can hope.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 18, 2021 12:11:23 GMT
So I'll post up something about the future, but first, one more quick nostalgia dip: here's an alternate Supreme from S4.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 18, 2021 13:06:55 GMT
Just in time for the return of RTD. Coincidence?
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 19, 2021 14:29:04 GMT
Now, given the state of so much online discussion, and because we all know RTD's not going to play around when it comes to topicality and taking a stand on various subjects, it's almost inevitable the 'politics' football is still going to be alive and kicking.
However, and taking this in a more constructive direction, I think it's important to detoxify what is, really, a completely innocuous term. A piece of media's politics doesn't always, or really ever, mean 'party politics i.e. Labour/Tory, Republican/Democrat etc etc' - in media anaylsis, the 'politics' means more or less the same thing as 'the theme': what it's talking about and how it talks about them. The environmentalist themes of Green Death are its politics, as is say, Ace's relationship with and view of her mother and indeed the concept of family in Curse of Fenric.
Suddenly, it's not an objectionable or fiery statement, but just another normal, unremarkable part, like saying a book has words or movies use cameras. If this were more widely understood, imagine how different things would be.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 20, 2021 9:56:47 GMT
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Post by stcoop on Oct 20, 2021 10:38:30 GMT
In contrast to RTD and Moffat he's never come across as someone who was genuinely happy that he got the job and his comments there seemed to be saying what's expected rather than what he feels. The one statement that felt truly honest was his annoyance at how long it took to find someone to replace him.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 20, 2021 10:41:47 GMT
In contrast to RTD and Moffat he's never come across as someone who was genuinely happy that he got the job and his comments there seemed to be saying what's expected rather than what he feels. The one statement that felt truly honest was his annoyance at how long it took to find someone to replace him. For his faults, I always felt Chibnall came across as down to earth and not self-important in interviews. Because Moffat and RTD are such big and vocal personalities, he was always going to look smaller and lesser by comparison.
However, the replacement thing was the exact same thing Moffat talked about when he left - Who is the show everyone wants to work on but no one wants to lead. I'll give everyone here one guess why.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Oct 20, 2021 15:04:37 GMT
Ana interesting choice, an actor I really enjoy & think would be great as Doctor Who.
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Post by shutupbanks on Oct 20, 2021 22:57:16 GMT
In contrast to RTD and Moffat he's never come across as someone who was genuinely happy that he got the job and his comments there seemed to be saying what's expected rather than what he feels. The one statement that felt truly honest was his annoyance at how long it took to find someone to replace him. Chibnall’s talk about his work on the show reminds me that the “one time” he was a strident, out there fan like his predecessors it turned into an albatross around his neck. I’m sure he’s just trying not to make history repeat for himself. I’d rather the show was the star, not the producer.
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