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Post by ollychops on Aug 6, 2021 12:28:50 GMT
Much like the upcoming Eleventh Doctor set, this isn’t for me. Nothing against Jake, I think he’s great and I actually think his Twelve isn’t bad, but I’m not really here for using him as the Doctor for full-cast adventures. It’s different with Treloar and Carley given that Pertwee and Hurt are no longer around so I don’t mind them bringing in other talent to voice them. If they’re going to use Jacob, I’d rather they carry on with the narration, or just go ahead and do Companion Chronicles.
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Post by johnhurtdoctor on Aug 6, 2021 12:31:39 GMT
Much like the upcoming Eleventh Doctor set, this isn’t for me. Nothing against Jake, I think he’s great and I actually think his Twelve isn’t bad, but I’m not really here for using him as the Doctor for full-cast adventures. It’s different with Treloar and Carley given that Pertwee and Hurt are no longer around so I don’t mind them bringing in other talent to voice them. If they’re going to use Jacob, I’d rather they carry on with the narration, or just go ahead and do Companion Chronicles. Yes recasting for actors no longer with us is fine. But why bother otherwise? Just wait or do audio book.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Aug 6, 2021 12:49:06 GMT
Much like the upcoming Eleventh Doctor set, this isn’t for me. Nothing against Jake, I think he’s great and I actually think his Twelve isn’t bad, but I’m not really here for using him as the Doctor for full-cast adventures. It’s different with Treloar and Carley given that Pertwee and Hurt are no longer around so I don’t mind them bringing in other talent to voice them. If they’re going to use Jacob, I’d rather they carry on with the narration, or just go ahead and do Companion Chronicles. Yes recasting for actors no longer with us is fine. But why bother otherwise? Just wait or do audio book. Well at least one of the Audio Novels is going to be a post-2005 Doctor story. I think doing both audiobooks and full-cast stuff is a good idea, as it caters for everyone.
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Post by xlozdob on Aug 6, 2021 18:22:05 GMT
Why would Capaldi (or Matt Smith) work for Big Finish when it's been made clear how easily replaceable they are to them? Why would Big Finish wait for Capaldi when he's made it clear he doesn't really enjoy doing audio and isn't interested in playing the Doctor again? To play devil's advocate, this is different. They haven’t hired a reader or a narrator. They’ve hired someone to play the Doctor. This debate has been done to death already, but there’s no reason why Big Finish couldn’t do proper Chronicles if they wanted to. They have the variety of the cast and they have the format. For some reason they took a different approach with the post-2005 Doctors in their first volumes. And in their second volumes they’ve become full cast and strayed away further. And this isn’t necessarily a debate about recasting, but rather the quality of the performance. It is different, yes. I, for one, am more attracted to this format than audiobook or partial narration. At the end of the day, different people have different tastes and preferences, and it's just as okay to not be excited by this announcement as it is to be.
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Post by project37 on Aug 6, 2021 20:15:01 GMT
Said it before with Jacob - he's wrong for this. He's a very young Englishman who is excellent at impressions and thus doing impressions of young Englishment Matt and David (who may not be English but his Dick Van Doctor certainly sounded it) but when it comes to sounding like someone 40 years older with a very distinct accent like a Glasgow one? Turns into parody. That trailer already took me out the story, much less a whole box. For me personally, there's a joy hearing the original cast members (even if their voices have aged) that also brings a level of authenticity to the experience - i.e., this is a new adventure for Doctor Who.
Recasting those that are no longer with us in full-cast productions has been hit or miss for me. With the exception of the insanely talented Jonathan Carley as the War Doctor and possibly Jon Culshaw as the Brigadier, many of the others seem to rely on the good will (and financial investment) of listeners to improve their performances over multiple releases.
Recasting those that are with us but otherwise unavailable for full-cast (especially when I hear a result like this)...well, I'm glad it's making some fans happy. I've gotten really good at it as a DW fan (and a BF listener for 20+ years), but there's only so much disbelief that I can suspend.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 20:30:33 GMT
Said it before with Jacob - he's wrong for this. He's a very young Englishman who is excellent at impressions and thus doing impressions of young Englishment Matt and David (who may not be English but his Dick Van Doctor certainly sounded it) but when it comes to sounding like someone 40 years older with a very distinct accent like a Glasgow one? Turns into parody. That trailer already took me out the story, much less a whole box. For me personally, there's a joy hearing the original cast members (even if their voices have aged) that also brings a level of authenticity to the experience - i.e., this is a new adventure for Doctor Who.
Recasting those that are no longer with us in full-cast productions has been hit or miss for me. With the exception of the insanely talented Jonathan Carley as the War Doctor and possibly Jon Culshaw as the Brigadier, many of the others seem to rely on the good will (and financial investment) of listeners to improve their performances over multiple releases.
Recasting those that are with us but otherwise unavailable for full-cast (especially when I hear a result like this)...well, I'm glad it's making some fans happy. I've gotten really good at it as a DW fan (and a BF listener for 20+ years), but there's only so much disbelief that I can suspend.
Yeah, great post. It's ultimately down to each of us to suspend as much as we can. I personally listen to a lot of audiobooks so I'm used to readers doing voices of opposite genders etc, but I know some here only like BF when it's full cast, no narration. And some only like original cast on principle. Personally I think what made the transition easier for me is I buy all the Target Audiobooks (waiting on The Wheel In Space which just came out yesterday) and you get all sorts of actors having to do voices for whole casts there. Even at BF the Companion Chronicles were good for priming expectations as we'd get Katy Manning doing her Pertwee or Sarah Sutton doing Davison etc. There's always a bit more leway when it's someone directly linked, no doubt. Still, I go back to if the story is good enough then I'm hoping I can look past any flaws with the vocals. After all, the play's the thing, to quite Shakespeare. Jake is 100% commited - I just think he's being asked to do something just outside his wheelhouse. I applaud his chutzpah in having a go. It's not anything personal, frankly I've never rated Fraser's Troughton very highly. He can only do the kinda stammering, gruff, slightly throaty Troughton voice really wheras that's a very small part of what Pat did on screen. Again though, being part of the era (a MAJOR part) he gets a lot more of a free ride there.
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Post by cwm on Aug 6, 2021 21:06:11 GMT
My view of Fraser's Troughton is that it works in the Companion Chronicles and the Early Adventures, but whenever they try to use it in a fully dramatised setting, it stretches the illusion beyond breaking point... which is rather similar to my view on Dudman's Smith, oddly enough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 21:37:23 GMT
My view of Fraser's Troughton is that it works in the Companion Chronicles and the Early Adventures, but whenever they try to use it in a fully dramatised setting, it stretches the illusion beyond breaking point... which is rather similar to my view on Dudman's Smith, oddly enough. The kinda fun one is David Bradley. He sounds NOTHING like Hartnell. Nothing. Yet since he literally played The First Doctor on screen in 2017....he IS that character "ofifcially" so he can't possibly sound unlike the First Doctor...even if he sounds nothing like Bill H!
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Post by tuigirl on Aug 6, 2021 22:01:05 GMT
My view of Fraser's Troughton is that it works in the Companion Chronicles and the Early Adventures, but whenever they try to use it in a fully dramatised setting, it stretches the illusion beyond breaking point... which is rather similar to my view on Dudman's Smith, oddly enough. The kinda fun one is David Bradley. He sounds NOTHING like Hartnell. Nothing. Yet since he literally played The First Doctor on screen in 2017....he IS that character "ofifcially" so he can't possibly sound unlike the First Doctor...even if he sounds nothing like Bill H! But he somehow catches the spirit. I had that argument with people on here before. Take Katy Manning. She sounds nothing like Jo anymore. But she absolutely nails the spirit. Also, her audio book readings are fantastic. You hardly even notice she is doing all the voices. In your minds eye, you see the Doctor, Brig and Jo running about. I do not mind her recent work as Jo one bit because she just manages to transport the energy, spirit and vibes. And that is 100x more important for me than a perfect imitation.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2021 22:13:08 GMT
The kinda fun one is David Bradley. He sounds NOTHING like Hartnell. Nothing. Yet since he literally played The First Doctor on screen in 2017....he IS that character "ofifcially" so he can't possibly sound unlike the First Doctor...even if he sounds nothing like Bill H! But he somehow catches the spirit. I had that argument with people on here before. Take Katy Manning. She sounds nothing like Jo anymore. But she absolutely nails the spirit. Also, her audio book readings are fantastic. You hardly even notice she is doing all the voices. In your minds eye, you see the Doctor, Brig and Jo running about. I do not mind her recent work as Jo one bit because she just manages to transport the energy, spirit and vibes. And that is 100x more important for me than a perfect imitation. Well, clearly - Bradley's a terrific actor. With Katy...the same person sounding older is a different thing, I'd say. We know in our world, time has moved. Yet I do wonder if BF would even have thought of Bradley if he hadn't portrayed Hartnell AND The Doctor. He sounds, I think, less like the actor than any of their own internal recasts. I'd imagine a John Guillor would have been called in if it wasn't for "An Adventure..." and "Twice Upon.". And for Katy, well, I'd never hear a word against her. She is my favourite part of the Pertwee era on TV and on audio while Iris is my fave Who spinoff. I've had more hugs off her at conventions than most of my family! I've got an amazing answering machine message she recorded as Auntie Iris for me too. The woman is a goddess to me! Her companion chronicles are some of my very favourite Big Finish.
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Post by mbt66 on Aug 7, 2021 5:39:01 GMT
Yes recasting for actors no longer with us is fine. But why bother otherwise? Just wait or do audio book. Well at least one of the Audio Novels is going to be a post-2005 Doctor story. I think doing both audiobooks and full-cast stuff is a good idea, as it caters for everyone. I didn’t know that had been announced!? I had assumed that they would all be Classic era.
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Post by mbt66 on Aug 7, 2021 6:02:22 GMT
I was really impressed with Dudman’s performance in the first Eleventh Doctor boxset. Not just his impersonation of Matt Smith, but also the variety and range he was able to give to the other characters. Going full cast with these Doctor Chronicles for me ignores the talent of their leading actor.
As it is I think the Eleventh Doctor Chronicles volume 2 is eminently skip-able, I am put off by the move to full cast, however if it had been an exciting release like this Twelfth Doctor set I suspect I would have had it on pre-order.
I was going to say “I like the sound of this set,” but listening to the trailer I don’t think I could accept Jacob as a re-cast Twelfth Doctor. He just about got away with it in Regeneration Impossible, but that again demonstrated how good he is at the Eleventh Doctor. And as others have said even if the charade slips and in your mind you end up picturing Dudman in the clothes of the Eleventh Doctor is not too jarring, unlike him trying to look like the Twelfth.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Aug 7, 2021 6:53:45 GMT
Well at least one of the Audio Novels is going to be a post-2005 Doctor story. I think doing both audiobooks and full-cast stuff is a good idea, as it caters for everyone. I didn’t know that had been announced!? I had assumed that they would all be Classic era. IIRC David Richardson mentioned it in the interviews on Scourge of the Cybermen.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 8, 2021 3:52:47 GMT
Surprised they didn’t go with Jonathan Carley as 12 as he did a pretty solid performance as 12 in the fan audio exhausted supplies but then agian big finish hasn’t always made the best decisions lately
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Post by thelonecenturion on Aug 8, 2021 9:22:58 GMT
Surprised they didn’t go with Jonathan Carley as 12 as he did a pretty solid performance as 12 in the fan audio exhausted supplies but then agian big finish hasn’t always made the best decisions lately Yeah, Carley was good in that, but I don't think he was any better than Dudman was in the teaser for this set.
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Post by Timelord007 on Aug 8, 2021 13:10:34 GMT
Surprised they didn’t go with Jonathan Carley as 12 as he did a pretty solid performance as 12 in the fan audio exhausted supplies but then agian big finish hasn’t always made the best decisions lately Spot on my friend Jonathan Carley would've been excellent choice, Jacob awesome at Tenth or scarily sounds exactly like the Eleventh Doctor but his Twelfth Doctor isn't as polished.
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Post by relativetime on Aug 9, 2021 13:31:20 GMT
I think with this and the Eleventh Doctor Chronicles, I’m going to wait until I see a few reviews before I check it out. I’m still not entirely comfortable with full-cast stories without Smith or Capaldi, but I get why it’s happening and I have been cooling to the idea.
As for Dudman, I feel like it’s been hit or miss with me, but I’ve generally much preferred his narrated short trips and Chronicles box sets to the few times he’s played the actual part. Personally, I’ve enjoyed his Capaldi performance just a little bit more than his Smith because while it isn’t the closest impersonation, it doesn’t give me this weird uncanny valley feeling I sometimes get with his Smith impression.
Tl;dr I’m open to trying these out if the stories are good enough.
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Post by dasmaniac on Aug 9, 2021 16:27:52 GMT
My hunch is that why some actors thrive on audio is that they have extensive stage backgrounds. Worth noting that unlike Capaldi, Eccleston and Tennant have backgrounds in theatre. Their backgrounds in theatre give them an appreciation of the limits of the audio format. Partly why Derek Jacobi excels on audio is his theatrical background. Capaldi has little experience in theatre.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Aug 16, 2021 12:07:26 GMT
Now out in November 2021. www.bigfinish.com/news/v/news-updates-week-commencing-16-august-2021◉ PRODUCTION UPDATES | Due to unavoidable production delays, the dates of several releases have been changed: Doctor Who: Short Trips Volume 11 will now arrive in February 2022, The Twelfth Doctor: Timejacked moves from February 2022, to November 2021 and The Lone Centurion 2 will now be released in February 2022. We are very sorry for any disappointment caused.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Aug 16, 2021 23:18:44 GMT
I’m really getting hyped for this. Glad it’s been moved forward to this year.
I’m hoping this gets extended out to an ongoing era.
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