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Post by sherlock on Apr 17, 2022 20:36:03 GMT
That was a lot of events. Not sure it quite held together. I did think the epilogue on the beach was nice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2022 20:53:09 GMT
The ep was not special in any way. It was fine but would be, in a full series a decent mid season runaround. This last ep already has SO much to wrap up...now Ace and Tegan too? Bloody hell..
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Post by mark687 on Apr 17, 2022 21:04:28 GMT
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 17, 2022 21:10:27 GMT
The epilogue was lovely, but it ultimately hindered the preceding 40 minutes. For such a small cast and rather intimate in its settings, they all felt underserved and the dialogue felt lacking; nothing sparky and exposition laden. The Sea Devils didn’t do a great deal and that was unfortunate, as a great aspect of Chibnall’s tenure has been the treatment of legacy monsters, so you’d have thought that would’ve been a guarantee.
An extra 10 or 15 minutes and this could’ve been a completely different episode. Still, epilogue was great and kudos to the team for creating those sets in studio, amazing stuff.
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Post by stcoop on Apr 17, 2022 22:07:09 GMT
More than any episode so far this one really screamed COVID-era production. Of course the late nature of it's commisioning and shorter than normal pre-production time didn't help.
As others have said a perfectly OK mid-series episode rather than any sort of Special.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 17, 2022 23:02:54 GMT
I just checked the rating here for when it gets officially shown on tv tonight. Rated "PG" which means here Parental Guidance Recommended. Wife went into teacher mode and said prob best to not have our lil boy watch it.. Technically he is still 5.. HHMMM
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Post by mark687 on Apr 17, 2022 23:16:54 GMT
I just checked the rating here for when it gets officially shown on tv tonight. Rated "PG" which means here Parental Guidance Recommended. Wife went into teacher mode and said prob best to not have our lil boy watch it.. Technically he is still 5.. HHMMM Opening 5 minutes has body count (though has he seen Sontarans vs UNIT in poison sky ) its no worse than that. Regards mark687
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 18, 2022 0:13:33 GMT
I just checked the rating here for when it gets officially shown on tv tonight. Rated "PG" which means here Parental Guidance Recommended. Wife went into teacher mode and said prob best to not have our lil boy watch it.. Technically he is still 5.. HHMMM Opening 5 minutes has body count (though has he seen Sontarans vs UNIT in poison sky ) its no worse than that. Regards mark687 aahh.. cool thanks..
Prob we would fast forward the 1st 5 mins just to be on the safe side..
And nope he hasn't seen that 10th Dr episode.. yet.. !
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 18, 2022 1:02:20 GMT
That was a lot of fun. A solid episode but I’m a little disappointed that the fight scenes weren’t a little more exciting. Very disappointed that Jodie had an opportunity to show the Doctor’s prowess with a sword and totally didn’t. Also, the sound levels were ridiculous: I had to rewind a couple of times to hear the dialogue properly.
Totally worth it for “No ship, Sherlock” though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2022 8:31:36 GMT
A standard entertaining episode, this i felt needed to be longer though to expand upon certain plot points & the editing of the fight scenes was choppy.
Still great cast, cool to have the Sea Devils back & that Next Time teaser OMG.
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Post by Chakoteya on Apr 18, 2022 8:33:40 GMT
Watched it 'live', mainly to see what they actually did with 'Madame Ching' - real name unknown as Zheng Yi Zhao apparently means Cheng's widow... and really struggled to hear the dialogue over the music. The end of the previous programme was fine, as was the start of the next - it was just Who, and it does have form in this. So... I probably missed lots of neat quips, which I shall have to pick up on the subtitles next time round.
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Post by chopper on Apr 18, 2022 8:58:32 GMT
Looked lovely but the script and the disjointed story telling ruined this.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Apr 18, 2022 9:00:08 GMT
Fuller thoughts: Chibnall's team has thus far done a commendable job, delivering huge scope amidst the pandemic and disguising that reality. However, sooner or later, we'd get to one where the production circumstances'd show through. The small cast, the sparsely populated sets that wasn't guys in masks, a directing style heavy on midshots and close ups; the illusion didn't work this time and it makes a seafaring epic feel small. I was really rooting for Halou Wang and it's unfortunate that she's in the Jennifer Perrot camp, rather than directors like Manzoor or Sullivan: competent but her sensibilities don't suit the story. I suspect they were trying to do a Gore Verbinski-POTC, where you have an oddball filmmaker gives a unique personality to a mass appeal swashbuckler, but the fight scenes are often muddled with tight framing and editing.
Sea Devils were the best part, and even with as average as this was, it's still light years ahead of Warriors of the Deep in terms of using them better and capturing their 'xenophobic elitist warrior' nature. The costumes looked good, even if perhaps the fins could've been longer, and I adapted quick to the way they spoke. Plus, the ghost ship was the stand out effect of the episode. The guest cast were fine, but Yu doesn't get enough material to come near the level of Visjnic or Powell, and there was some nice Jodie-Mandip chemistry (Road's comedy chops came in handy here), while John did get some funny moments with his deadpan reaction to extraordinary events.
Basically, what we have is War of the Sontarans Redux: a light and breezy historical that feels exactly like the early-mid seasoner it likely originally was, over a special. Still enjoyable, but doesn't have much in the way of theme or subtext, and its shortcomings highlight that even more than WotS did: at least there, the Sontarans as allegory for rampant militarism was a great fit and did give something more. The Sea Devils could be any other monster and the story'd not change a great deal: anything deeper from their 70s original or even other Silurian stories is not present. Combine that with plot threads that don't feel fully explored, like Ching's family or Ying's shifting perspective from hate to pity for her, and you have the tell-tale sign of a script that has clearly seen a lot of alteration under difficult circumstances, and marred further by my recurring complaint with S12 and Flux: too fast pacing and a fixation on setpieces.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 18, 2022 9:19:53 GMT
Ouch. BGT and a very warm Easter Sunday left its mark.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Apr 18, 2022 9:27:39 GMT
Ouch. BGT and a very warm Easter Sunday left its mark. On a family holiday, competing with an undemanding mass appeal live event like that was going to be a hill to climb.
I suspect Legend will benefit from iPlayer catchups.
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Post by Chakoteya on Apr 18, 2022 10:39:06 GMT
Antiques Roadshow was a repeat, for gosh-sakes.
I-Player for watching catch-up beats out ITV-hub, All4 and my5 - the utter dregs IMHO - every time. (No adverts you can't skip through.)
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Apr 18, 2022 10:40:13 GMT
Was a lot of fun again. But i agreed with many above, it just felt like a normal episode rather than a Special
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Post by stcoop on Apr 18, 2022 11:14:55 GMT
There's no level of spin that can sell this as anything other than a disaster. And there aren't three million people waiting to watch it on iPlayer either.
Of course it doesn't help generate enthusiasm when the Producer and Star are talking about how they wanted to quit back in 2020.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 18, 2022 11:34:53 GMT
There's no level of spin that can sell this as anything other than a disaster. And there aren't three million people waiting to watch it on iPlayer either. Of course it doesn't help generate enthusiasm when the Producer and Star are talking about how they wanted to quit back in 2020. Half the usual Total Sunday Audience watched As Live TV and DW got almost Half of that number (that's good) Now as an indicator for watch live broadcast TV that's it bad (its not an indictment of the show), its a clear nudge towards viewers choosing what they want to watch and when they want to watch it, so As Live Broadcast could be on its way out overall which will make the choice of how RTD2 is broadcast telling. Regards mark687
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Apr 18, 2022 11:36:05 GMT
There's no level of spin that can sell this as anything other than a disaster. And there aren't three million people waiting to watch it on iPlayer either. Of course it doesn't help generate enthusiasm when the Producer and Star are talking about how they wanted to quit back in 2020. I'll say it's a disappointment, but it's also spin to call them a 'disaster' since Mzumba provided important context i.e. live events like games or talents usually win out.
Fun fact, know how much Loki debuted to in the UK, with all of Disney's money and hype behind it? 1.5 million. Hawkeye, similar range.
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