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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 11, 2022 21:19:38 GMT
If one listens to it as a interpretation inspired by Hartnell instead of a straight impersonation of Hartnell, I think he sounds fine. I’m not sure if I’ll give this range a go or not yet.
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Post by theillusiveman on Feb 11, 2022 21:31:19 GMT
Correct me if I’m wrong but when they were announcing the doctor who in 2022 news article they explicitly mentioned David Bradley yet where is he? Is there a volume 6 suppose to come out or do you think they delayed it to 2023 ?
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Post by thewatcher on Feb 11, 2022 21:39:48 GMT
Correct me if I’m wrong but when they were announcing the doctor who in 2022 news article they explicitly mentioned David Bradley yet where is he? Is there a volume 6 suppose to come out or do you think they delayed it to 2023 ? Why do have two versions of the first doctor?
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Post by Digi on Feb 11, 2022 21:49:21 GMT
Correct me if I’m wrong but when they were announcing the doctor who in 2022 news article they explicitly mentioned David Bradley yet where is he? Is there a volume 6 suppose to come out or do you think they delayed it to 2023 ? Took me a few minutes to find it (heaven forfend that BF should ever have a website that's actually user-friendly), but no they did not mention him in that news piece. No foul. www.bigfinish.com/news/v/audio-doctor-who-in-2022
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Feb 11, 2022 23:22:16 GMT
Noonan has the cadence, the tics, but the pitch is just too high. A bit too impish for a Doctor with a more gruff register. Treloar wasn't one to one, but he was in the general ballpark voice-wise, even early on.
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Post by masterdoctor on Feb 11, 2022 23:28:06 GMT
It sounds fine to me, and I've never been a stickler for something to match too much if the character and performance is accurate to the incarnation. Though going forward, I think Noonan will be able to refine every new set.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Feb 12, 2022 0:25:12 GMT
BF Marketing team..
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Post by Kestrel on Feb 12, 2022 7:42:13 GMT
I think people should give him a fair shot. I think it's only fair to him to give him the benefit of the doubt. I...don't think so, no. Even if it weren't a product you have to pay for, just because someone offers you a sandwich that you didn't ask for and wouldn't have ordered doesn't mean you're obligated to eat it. To further extend this metaphor, a "fair shot" would entail refraining from saying, "this sandwich tastes bad" until after first taking a bite. The little snippets of dialog we get to hear in the trailer are little more than aroma. And because I'm a bad person who likes to torture language, going even further, at this point we're really just split into three reactions: - That sandwich smells good, I think I'll order one.
- That sandwich doesn't smell so good, but I'll try it anyway.
- That sandwich doesn't smell so good, I think I'll pass.
Hope I'm not coming across as harsh int on anyones opinions here... just saying at this point in time we have precious little to go on beyond the immediate reaction to Bradley leaving the range, which it sounds like he may not be doing?
And on a strictly personal note, if Bradley and Noonan do wind up alternating 1DAs (first, that'd be fantastic, but also) it'll really make a mess of things. Remember when Big Finish said they were trying to organize their media more simply and cleanly? That was just last year.
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Post by Kestrel on Feb 12, 2022 7:45:15 GMT
Correct me if I’m wrong but when they were announcing the doctor who in 2022 news article they explicitly mentioned David Bradley yet where is he? Is there a volume 6 suppose to come out or do you think they delayed it to 2023 ? Why do have two versions of the first doctor? Two? I think we're up to... five? Or does Noonan make 6? There's Hartnell, Bradley, Noonan, Bayldon and Jacobi, at least.
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Post by Star Platinum on Feb 12, 2022 9:00:35 GMT
Im willing to approach this with an open mind. I bought the bundle last year so I’m already in up to my neck.
I’m willing to approach this with an open mind and I have faith in their ability to recast. Treloar and Bradley haven’t let us down and Jonathan Carley is shaping up quite nicely as well.
The first Doctor of old has been one of my favourites from big finish., I’m looking forward to seeing their version of Dodo.
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Post by The Matt on Feb 12, 2022 11:01:04 GMT
Hmmmm I’m very torn on this. There are times when he sounds just like Hartnell especially when he was doing the angrier parts but when he was trying to be gentle and tender with Dodo it just didn’t ring true.
I think I’ll wait for the reviews of the actual story before I fully decide but I’m not 100% against it at the moment
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Post by muckypup on Feb 12, 2022 13:17:01 GMT
Hmmmmmm, just listen to this and what’s up with the audio quality, it sounds terrible……..
But that aside, I don’t mind the recasting, but he sounds more like Geoffrey Bayldon than first doctor……..
But I have liked the david Bradley boxes, Not sure I really want a different doctor there seems a tad too many recasts now……and not sure there getting it right…..
Don’t like Sarah Jane, or liz recasts I know there family members but they don’t seem good enough at audio acting to convince me, Jon culshaw still sounds like Jon culshaw doing an impression, not that impressed with 2nd doctor from what I’ve heard………
Only really got it right with war & 3rd doctor…….
I’m glad I think I’m coming to an end with my big finish journey, I will stick with 4th 9th & any 3rd without the awful companion recasts going forward and pass on everything else
I wish big finish, would stop this three disc format it just don’t work for me……. I have this years boxes on pre-order so will see how it goes, but money now being tight and quality of storys dropping……..I don’t think there is much to hold my interest…….back to beginning and relistening for me
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Post by relativetime on Feb 12, 2022 13:57:36 GMT
I...don't think so, no. Even if it weren't a product you have to pay for, just because someone offers you a sandwich that you didn't ask for and wouldn't have ordered doesn't mean you're obligated to eat it. To further extend this metaphor, a "fair shot" would entail refraining from saying, "this sandwich tastes bad" until after first taking a bite. The little snippets of dialog we get to hear in the trailer are little more than aroma. And because I'm a bad person who likes to torture language, going even further, at this point we're really just split into three reactions: - That sandwich smells good, I think I'll order one.
- That sandwich doesn't smell so good, but I'll try it anyway.
- That sandwich doesn't smell so good, I think I'll pass.
Hope I'm not coming across as harsh int on anyones opinions here... just saying at this point in time we have precious little to go on beyond the immediate reaction to Bradley leaving the range, which it sounds like he may not be doing?
And on a strictly personal note, if Bradley and Noonan do wind up alternating 1DAs (first, that'd be fantastic, but also) it'll really make a mess of things. Remember when Big Finish said they were trying to organize their media more simply and cleanly? That was just last year.
I don't see how it'd make a mess of things honestly? It's no different than how the First Doctor has always been handled at Big Finish - when it's a story set in the later seasons, Purves voiced him, and when it was the earlier years, Russell voiced him. Now it'll just be Bradley and Noonan and I'm sure most listeners will be savvy enough to realize who's doing what and what to buy if they prefer one over the other.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Feb 12, 2022 15:01:10 GMT
I think people should give him a fair shot. I think it's only fair to him to give him the benefit of the doubt. I...don't think so, no. Even if it weren't a product you have to pay for, just because someone offers you a sandwich that you didn't ask for and wouldn't have ordered doesn't mean you're obligated to eat it. The scary thing when you really think about it, is that teasers like BF gave us, tend to use the BEST clips they have. So, if that is what they did, and this is the best clip, then this is a hard pass. Trailers are suppose to entice us, hook us in. If BF is unable to pull us in by the trailer - they failed. I think they are far too accustomed to blindly assuming the vast majority of us will buy everything and not give it a second thought until after we've received and listened to it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 16:06:19 GMT
I must admit to my ears he sounds as much like Hartnell or Bradley as I do..and I aint tryin.
Yet as another actor takes on the mantle, he has my support. If he can act and make me believe in the story, I am in. Its why Frazer never worked for me as The Second Doc. Of course he knew Pat and could do a decent skit impression of one side of him (the clearing his throat, mumbly Doc) but he couldnt do what Pat sounded like in normal conversation when speaking loud and clear as he did in most eps. So that more charicature impression? Not for me. So if BF feel this set will offer a new take that maybe captures the spirit...OK. I will take a punt. I think pull quotes really sayin how wonderful the impression is does the set no favours as you invite comparison. Just sell the "captures the essence - there is only one Bill Hartnell but we want to pay tribute to him by producin Who he would be proud to have been part of..." etc etc. Then you cannot really take up against it without listening because they arent focused just on the vocal.
I will also not judge from a trailer as they have a rather poor record with them!
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Post by Digi on Feb 12, 2022 16:33:11 GMT
I...don't think so, no. Even if it weren't a product you have to pay for, just because someone offers you a sandwich that you didn't ask for and wouldn't have ordered doesn't mean you're obligated to eat it. The scary thing when you really think about it, is that teasers like BF gave us, tend to use the BEST clips they have. So, if that is what they did, and this is the best clip, then this is a hard pass. Trailers are suppose to entice us, hook us in. If BF is unable to pull us in by the trailer - they failed. I think they are far too accustomed to blindly assuming the vast majority of us will buy everything and not give it a second thought until after we've received and listened to it. I don't want to keep bagging on something that folks here may well (and have every right to) enjoy the heck out of so this'll be my last post in here, but I think this bit you've written is an important point. Whether we're talking about audio drama, television, film--whatever--the entire reason for the existence of every trailer is as a promotional tool. The reason why they exist at all as a marketing vector is to pick the most appealing bits and use them to draw in both likely customers and appeal to a wider audience who might otherwise not have watched/listened to it. If that's happened, and there are folks who are not only not interested but actively put off by the content of the trailer....I don't think it's a fault of the trailer, nor a misguided decision by creator of the media. They've simply made a product where even the best/most enticing bits don't appeal to (some) people. I will leave it up to Big Finish's sales analysts whether the final numbers call this a success or failure, but bottom line is that a trailer is a two-edged blade. It can appeal, or it can repel. Just the nature of the beast. Anyway, with that I'm out. For all you folks who are excited about this -- I hope you have a great time with it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 17:18:18 GMT
I suppose it is odd not using David Bradley since he is now an official Doctor and not just someone who played Bill on TV in a biopic. Yet David is 80 in 2 months. Sylv and Colin are 79 this year. Carole Anne Ford is 82. Anneke 80. Even our youngest classic companion, Sophie, is 60 this year. So I can see BF wanting a cast they can use for the future but who arent in need of slowing down, retirement etc. Then, obviously the real elephant in the room...in 5, 10, certainly 20 years - what would be the state of play if they didn't have some sort of plans for the future? No-one wants to be morbid but there is a reason they banked SO much with Tom and do so when they can.
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Post by agentten on Feb 12, 2022 18:54:15 GMT
The jury is out for me on this one. I am a fan of most of the recasting that BF have done so far. I enjoy our new Third Doctor and The War Doctor and The Brig are spot on. This one, I just can't tell yet from the trailer. I think I need to hear a full episode to really get the feel for it. I need an opportunity to let the performance pull me into the story, which a trailer is not ideally positioned to do. I'm quite fond of Bradly's take on the First Doctor, and if he continues in the role I will continue to buy his releases, so my First Doctor fix will be satisfied either way. With Noonan, I think I'll wait until at least the first drama tease to make up my mind.
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Post by themeddlingmonk on Feb 12, 2022 19:50:59 GMT
I suppose it is odd not using David Bradley since he is now an official Doctor and not just someone who played Bill on TV in a biopic. Yet David is 80 in 2 months. Sylv and Colin are 79 this year. Carole Anne Ford is 82. Anneke 80. Even our youngest classic companion, Sophie, is 60 this year. So I can see BF wanting a cast they can use for the future but who arent in need of slowing down, retirement etc. Then, obviously the real elephant in the room...in 5, 10, certainly 20 years - what would be the state of play if they didn't have some sort of plans for the future? No-one wants to be morbid but there is a reason they banked SO much with Tom and do so when they can. Bonnie Langford is actually a couple of years younger than Sophie Aldred, believe it or not. But yeah the point still stands that even the youngest ones are pushing 60.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Feb 12, 2022 21:20:15 GMT
Why do have two versions of the first doctor? Two? I think we're up to... five? Or does Noonan make 6? There's Hartnell, Bradley, Noonan, Bayldon and Jacobi, at least. I like to think that Jacobi was playing a mind addled War Master who had been imprisoned and given some of the Doctor’s memories.
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