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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 0:36:29 GMT
I mean I would guess that none of these have even been *written* yet, it's possible BF haven't decided themselves That would be incredibly dumb for big finish if they had done that But fugitive Doctor stories being made while big finish does season 6b second Doctor stories seems over induglent It would be interesting to see how the sales go as with the price increase And the whole timeless children being a contemptuous topic in the Doctor who community Colin Baker was a contemptuous topic for years...then BF took him to top of the Best Doctor polls in the early 2000s. I do not see why 6B stories interfere at all. They are still classic era, essentially. It allows the Second Doctor to meet new people and have different companions. It worked very well in the comics. The Division is not the same - its clear they are a much more insidious and dark force. The Second Doctor will not be doin what Jo will, I would bet the house on it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 0:38:05 GMT
Wait...youre Australian? You should have mentioned it before! Love ya Shane! LOLZ.. I am always 98% sure of the timezone difference in other countries before I hound..err.. politely message my mates HAHA
Seriously...you ARE from Australia yeah? I swear I had it in my head you were from Luxembourg! AUSSIE AND PROUD!
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 24, 2022 0:51:54 GMT
I mean I would guess that none of these have even been *written* yet, it's possible BF haven't decided themselves Oh I would not be surprised if proposals have been submitted and scripts are already in their early draft development stages.
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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 24, 2022 0:54:50 GMT
Not sure how I feel about it: I’m excited because Jo and Sasha are brilliant but since a lot of recent “big” stories have just been excuses to do “greatest hits” versions of Doctor Who, I’m holding my breath as to the content. I’d be up for some historical Gallifrey stories with the Fugitive Doctor and some Cold War-era Master stories with Sasha, but my concern would be that this will just be more of the same: well-written and exciting but not really original.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 24, 2022 1:07:23 GMT
I mean I would guess that none of these have even been *written* yet, it's possible BF haven't decided themselves That would be incredibly dumb for big finish if they had done that But fugitive Doctor stories being made while big finish does season 6b second Doctor stories seems over induglent It would be interesting to see how the sales go as with the price increase And the whole timeless children being a contemptuous topic in the Doctor who community Not knowing any details, the Fugitive Doctor would seem to encroach on what BF does with the War Doctor range and what they will be doing with the new Second Doctor.post-War Games series line of box sets. Hopefully little is used from those other series. I like the idea of the FD as a one-person universe and time traveling Mission: Impossible/A-Team type of squad. So, I would love a BF/WHO version of a high adventure series. A Doctor honestly on the run from UNIT, from his own people, on the run from all the various Who baddies gathered together would be pretty interesting as well.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 24, 2022 2:04:27 GMT
That would be incredibly dumb for big finish if they had done that But fugitive Doctor stories being made while big finish does season 6b second Doctor stories seems over induglent It would be interesting to see how the sales go as with the price increase And the whole timeless children being a contemptuous topic in the Doctor who community I do not see why 6B stories interfere at all. They are still classic era, essentially. It allows the Second Doctor to meet new people and have different companions. It worked very well in the comics. The Division is not the same - its clear they are a much more insidious and dark force. The Second Doctor will not be doin what Jo will, I would bet the house on it. The Issue is that its Double Dipping You have Two Ranges that basically do the same thing
With The Second Doctor you have Season 6b where he is on missions for The Celestial Intervention Agency to do Secret Missions for The Timelords as their Agent who will inevitably try to escape and end up captured and Regenerated
With The Fugitive Doctor you have a Prehartnell Doctor where she is enlisted for The Division to do secret missions for The Timelords as their Agent who will inevitably try to escape and end up captured and Regenerated/Regressed to Child First Doctor
Its a bit like having Jago and Litefoot and The Paternoster Gang being released at the same time
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 24, 2022 2:17:18 GMT
but under the ‘pre-order special’ tab, the 1st box set of both new series are positioned between a March and a June release.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2022 2:29:14 GMT
I do not see why 6B stories interfere at all. They are still classic era, essentially. It allows the Second Doctor to meet new people and have different companions. It worked very well in the comics. The Division is not the same - its clear they are a much more insidious and dark force. The Second Doctor will not be doin what Jo will, I would bet the house on it. The Issue is that its Double Dipping You have Two Ranges that basically do the same thing
With The Second Doctor you have Season 6b where he is on missions for The Celestial Intervention Agency to do Secret Missions for The Timelords as their Agent who will inevitably try to escape and end up captured and Regenerated
With The Fugitive Doctor you have a Prehartnell Doctor where she is enlisted for The Division to do secret missions for The Timelords as their Agent who will inevitably try to escape and end up captured and Regenerated/Regressed to Child First Doctor
Its a bit like having Jago and Litefoot and The Paternoster Gang being released at the same time
Well, we could be reductive and say they are all just adventures with The Doctor and a blue box finding himself in trouble and ultimately winning. But its the story and character that will surely be the difference there. As I said - both may be on missions but what they are told to do and what they will do are surely two very, very different stories. Can you see Pat T in the scene with the blaster in the Judoon ep? Or on army mode, taking down Azure? 6B will be closer to "our" Who, I have zero doubts. Jo is the unknown. She clearly does not have quite the limits our Doctor does. Maybe she would have clubbed that caveman in An Unearthly Child. Maybe she would have destroyed the Daleks at birth. But BF need to find a way to make her different from just The War Doctor or Colins Unbound one. That is potentially very exciting and Jo would carry it off. She oozes authority in a way Jodie does not. Its a time for optimism, I think.
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Post by Kestrel on Apr 24, 2022 2:49:08 GMT
I'm not sure "double-dipping" is really as much of an issue as it might seem on the surface. Big Finish started out triple-dipping, with three Doctors in the MR all operating from the same premise... and then quickly moved on to quadruple and pentuple-dipping, and beyond. It's really only relatively recently that they've broadened to have more distinctive, unique ranges--owing mostly to the legacy from Russel Davies and Stephen Moffat.
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Anyway... I can't really say I'm excited for either of these releases, but I am curious. At the risk of annoying anyone here who's especially fond of Chibnall-era Who, both of these characters still feel very much like blank slates to me. Which means these ranges could either take them in interesting directions that really showcase the actors' talents... or mimic what we already have and leave them as kind of half-realized caricatures.
Issues with Vienna aside, I think Big Finish has already accomplished the former rather well with the Roberts Master, so I'm hopeful....
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Apr 24, 2022 6:21:56 GMT
I preordered the Fugitive Doctor sets the moment I saw the news. I don't remember the last time I've been so excited for anything Who-related. A whole new era to explore with a whole new Doctor! Jo Martin completely owned in less than a full episode's screen time, so my expectations are very high. Very excited for the Master series as well. Sacha Dhawan is a fantastic actor and all the Big Finish Master releases so far have been very good. Both actors have a clear enthusiasm for their parts, so I'm glad they're getting more space to explore the roles.
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Post by BHTvsTFC on Apr 24, 2022 7:22:28 GMT
I don’t mean to sound harsh but what does that statement even mean? I would think you mean you want well told stories. I take it to mean none of the usual reliance on cross-overs, river song and other doctors and companions turning up and loads of daleks stories. This!! Anything that doesn't feature the Monk, the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Brigadier, or Leela, Ace and Nyssa. For a while back there Big Finish pulled themselves into a cul de sac of using the same old writers, now it seems to be the same old gimmicks. I get that they are a business and I don't begrudge them sales figures, but this over reliance on the same old, same old is wearing a bit thin now. Good story telling is always the excuse when something conflicts with continuity or relies on a gimmick or uses the same name to write. However good story telling isn't the Brigadier saying 'Bless my soul, you've done it again, Doctor,' and neither is it a story that relies on a mind wipe at the end. Jo Martin as The Fugitive Doctor should be enough of a gimmick and a pull in it's own right; in fact if it wasn't for Big Finishes latest cul de sac I would have pre-ordered straight away myself! It would be wonderful if Division and the Doctor's escape were influenced by original, well thought out issues of their own. Here's hoping.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 24, 2022 8:59:52 GMT
Not sure about this. I find both characters to be one-note - will BF be building them and giving them some depth? It worked, after all, for previous unnecessary spinoffs (Lady Christina, for example)
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Apr 24, 2022 9:26:16 GMT
Not sure about this. I find both characters to be one-note - will BF be building them and giving them some depth? It worked, after all, for previous unnecessary spinoffs (Lady Christina, for example) A little apples to oranges though? A boxset with a Doctor or Master is a different level to one with a one-time character from one special.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 24, 2022 9:44:13 GMT
The Masters (mis)adventures stuck on Earth for 70 years could be interesting, especially with him knowing things like the Master Race and the Year that never was is on the horizon.
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Post by cwm on Apr 24, 2022 10:16:14 GMT
but under the ‘pre-order special’ tab, the 1st box set of both new series are positioned between a March and a June release. The website defaults to the end of a quarter if it can't find a release date for something.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Apr 24, 2022 11:03:55 GMT
I think the most interesting thing to do for the Master would be a lead-up to his destruction of Gallifrey. Tell us how he discovered the Timeless Child and how he destroyed his home planet. With Heather Challands producing both Call Me Master and Gallifrey: War Room, it's something I can see happening.
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Post by thewatcher on Apr 24, 2022 11:26:02 GMT
I am still of the belief that we won't get stories with Fugitive Doctor set when she was with Division (surely that range would be called The Division Doctor) but after her experiences in Fugitive of the Judoon.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 24, 2022 11:28:59 GMT
I am still of the belief that we won't get stories with Fugitive Doctor set when she was with Division (surely that range would be called The Division Doctor) but after her experiences in Fugitive of the Judoon. Big Finish’s announcement said they’re doing exactly that, but it’s worth noting that Titan’s Fugitive Doctor comic is going to be set during her time with the Division so it’s clearly not off-limits.
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Post by thewatcher on Apr 24, 2022 11:37:25 GMT
I think the most interesting thing to do for the Master would be a lead-up to his destruction of Gallifrey. Tell us how he discovered the Timeless Child and how he destroyed his home planet. With Heather Challands producing both Call Me Master and Gallifrey: War Room, it's something I can see happening. I 100 percent agree, the most frustrating thing for me about the timeless child reveal was how no detail was given on how the Master destroyed Gallifrey, did he kill all the Timelords? How did he do it? Why has the Doctor moved on so quickly when the timewar devasted the previous Doctors? I don't mind the idea of the timeless child storyline but the writing from Chibnell was flawed and extremely lazy, hopefully Big Finish can add depth and as usual take a flawed production and turn it in to something worthy of the talented performers involved, as they have proved with the 6th and 8th Doctors and countless more characters. I am sure Big Finish if allowed will do something about that they love filling in gaps
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Post by mbt66 on Apr 24, 2022 12:09:01 GMT
I am still of the belief that we won't get stories with Fugitive Doctor set when she was with Division (surely that range would be called The Division Doctor) but after her experiences in Fugitive of the Judoon. Big Finish’s announcement said they’re doing exactly that, but it’s worth noting that Titan’s Fugitive Doctor comic is going to be set during her time with the Division so it’s clearly not off-limits. Perhaps they will have flashbacks to her time with Division. Big Finish could then explore both eras at the same time. Also is there any reason the Fugitive Doctor cannot meet the Sacha Dhawan Master? It could be fun to have a crossover between the two ranges.
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