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Post by kipperserver on Aug 8, 2022 17:25:37 GMT
Given the current economic situation, I would imagine BF don't want to commit to new prices now in case they end up having to increase them again before they actually kick in. I hadn';t thought of that. How many box sets have been announced that this will affect>? Are they only telling us now about box sets because (e/g/. The Avengers) comes out oafter BNovember_ ?
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Post by kipperserver on Aug 8, 2022 17:26:19 GMT
"We are putting prices up but we're not telling you by how much because we don't know yet." That's the message, isn't it?
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Post by mark687 on Aug 8, 2022 17:54:52 GMT
"We are putting prices up but we're not telling you by how much because we don't know yet." That's the message, isn't it? Except they have to have some idea, you can't run a company without having some idea of medium or long term cost and income will be. The only thing that would've made sense is if BF Financial year started November and it doesn't it starts in July, therefore Records and Returns will show fluctuation in the 1st quarters of BFs financial year which 1.BF think they can ride out 2. Once in place the New Prices are sustainable long term. But there's no way that BF Haven't worked out what they'll be (then again they've undercut themselves on international currency conversion in respect to DL Only purchases for nearly 14 Years!) Regards mark687
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Post by mark687 on Aug 8, 2022 17:58:56 GMT
Given the current economic situation, I would imagine BF don't want to commit to new prices now in case they end up having to increase them again before they actually kick in. I hadn';t thought of that. How many box sets have been announced that this will affect>? Are they only telling us now about box sets because (e/g/. The Avengers) comes out oafter BNovember_ ? It will affect every Boxset (And every Bundle containing a Boxset) that's due for release AFTER 31st October 2022. Regards mark687
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Post by newt5996 on Aug 9, 2022 18:51:00 GMT
I hadn';t thought of that. How many box sets have been announced that this will affect>? Are they only telling us now about box sets because (e/g/. The Avengers) comes out oafter BNovember_ ? It will affect every Boxset (And every Bundle containing a Boxset) that's due for release AFTER 31st October 2022. Regards mark687 And isn’t it just pre-order prices, like after release they’re going to go up to the normal price point
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Post by mark687 on Aug 9, 2022 21:34:24 GMT
It will affect every Boxset (And every Bundle containing a Boxset) that's due for release AFTER 31st October 2022. Regards mark687 And isn’t it just pre-order prices, like after release they’re going to go up to the normal price point Well Products that are already released before November 1st 2022 Won't have their Post Release increased. We the Customers have no idea what either the Pre Order or Post Realse Prices for items released from November 1st 2022 will be. Regards mark687
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Post by mark687 on Aug 23, 2022 9:14:25 GMT
Just a heads up Gallifrey War Room Bundle Pre Order Price is already the same as The Post Release Price on equivalent 4, 4Ep Full Cast Boxset Bundles released before or during 2019, and this is still 2 months BEFORE the new general pricing.
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Post by lidar2 on Aug 23, 2022 9:47:19 GMT
Why all the secrecy about what the nw prices will be? If it's to be a big rise, then surely better for BF to say so and let us know what the new prices will be in order to encourage pre-orders. But if it's only a small rise, say a pound or two, then why all the big fuss? Just announce small rises with a week's notice.
Or they could state that the pre-order price will increase from X to Y on 1 November when that individual release is first announced. BF have done staggered pre-order price rises before - there was a specially discounted price if you pre-ordered the audio novels bundle before a certian date and they did the same for the BF Originals. The first BF I bought directly from BF was Lost Stories season 1, which had a lower pre-order price if you pre-ordered before a certain date.
The way they are doing it, we get a lot of customers wondering "will I or won't I?" pre-order.
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Post by theillusiveman on Aug 23, 2022 10:10:46 GMT
Why all the secrecy about what the nw prices will be? If it's to be a big rise, then surely better for BF to say so and let us know what the new prices will be in order to encourage pre-orders. But if it's only a small rise, say a pound or two, then why all the big fuss? Just announce small rises with a week's notice. Or they could state that the pre-order price will increase from X to Y on 1 November when that individual release is first announced. BF have done staggered pre-order price rises before - there was a specially discounted price if you pre-ordered the audio novels bundle before a certian date and they did the same for the BF Originals. The first BF I bought directly from BF was Lost Stories season 1, which had a lower pre-order price if you pre-ordered before a certain date. The way they are doing it, we get a lot of customers wondering "will I or won't I?" pre-order. Honestly looking on the website The Call Me Master (Rubbish Name could have called it Spy Master) and The Fugitive Doctor Box sets on CD $40 each & $20 for Download) so its possibly the new pricing system for 3 Disk Box sets however naturally i can see the box sets becoming $45-$50 range mark for 3 Disk Box sets (Plus The Usual Shipping/Price Per Order) while The 4 Disk Box sets (Classic Doctors New Monsters for example would be around $50-$60 range mark)
Of course the new price increase is going to be really tough on New Spin Off Ranges with Customers very hesitant on taking gamble on a new range (Well there goes any hope of a Next Doctor Spin off ever happening)
Part of me thinks that Big Finish are going to hold off adding more Box sets to the Pre-Order Sections until after The Price Increase so likely The 4th Doctor Adventures Series 15, 16 and 17 Boxsets will be added after the price increase and most likely The Ninth Doctor Series 3 Box sets- Makes sense as Eccleston is recording next month and in December.
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Post by Ela on Aug 26, 2022 16:47:04 GMT
After all this discussion, I'm still confused about the price increases.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 26, 2022 19:49:39 GMT
After all this discussion, I'm still confused about the price increases. I Know the longer it goes on the less it makes sense. Currently the base price difference on most Releases is 2-5£/$ from pre order to post release (Postage on Post release date purchases has already increased) I can't see what BF could increase the base price to on Pre orders that's affordable enough for a sustainable client base. why they set an exact date for the change but point blank refuseal to state what it is, yet at the same time Press Releases on New Products Pre Orders highlight that they'll be cheaper if bought before November 1st. EDIT Actually i can do a example on how tight the margin is now Currently the base price per CD Boxset on Call Me Master and The Fugitive Doctor in $ is equalant in £ to the UK Price of a Post Release Date Purchase 9DA I doubt BF think they could sustain a workable Customer base long term in they went much higher than that on regular Pre order base Prices, Regards mark687
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Aug 26, 2022 22:22:17 GMT
After all this discussion, I'm still confused about the price increases. I Know the longer it goes on the less it makes sense. Currently the base price difference on most Releases is 2-5£/$ from pre order to post release (Postage on Post release date purchases has already increased) I can't see what BF could increase the base price to on Pre orders that's affordable enough for a sustainable client base. why they set an exact date for the change but point blank refuseal to state what it is, yet at the same time Press Releases on New Products Pre Orders highlight that they'll be cheaper if bought before November 1st. EDIT Actually i can do a example on how tight the margin is now Currently the base price per CD Boxset on Call Me Master and The Fugitive Doctor in $ is equalant in £ to the UK Price of a Post Release Date Purchase 9DA I doubt BF think they could sustain a workable Customer base long term in they went much higher than that on regular Pre order base Prices, Regards mark687 Just to make matters worse for us Aussies, it was announced very early last week Australia Post are yet again increasing the prices of everything in a month or 2.. I sent the news article to a few ppl on this forum personally.. I guess that info will be sent to the powers that be at BF as they no doubt will factor that into it as well. I find for the 1st time I am actively looking and bulk ordering as much as I can to try to offset any co$t$..
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Post by timleschild on Aug 27, 2022 7:57:47 GMT
Just tell us Big Finish. Why be secretive? What are you afeared of?
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Post by cwm on Aug 27, 2022 9:25:21 GMT
Given the current economic situation, I would imagine BF don't want to commit to new prices now in case they end up having to increase them again before they actually kick in. Allow me to reiterate.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 27, 2022 10:16:06 GMT
Given the current economic situation, I would imagine BF don't want to commit to new prices now in case they end up having to increase them again before they actually kick in. Allow me to reiterate. Their Cost Projections can't be as short as 2 months surely though? Also as i reiterate the prices margin difference in most cases between pre and post release is already tiny in real money terms, they cant reduce it much further and guarantee a workable pre order customer base. Regards mark687
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 27, 2022 15:21:00 GMT
You’re kidding yourself if you think they’re not announcing the prices because they’re concerned about having to increase them again. If that was the case, where will it end? Or how can they be certain of a date the prices will increase but not be sure of the price? Or how are they managing to announce things that are out post-November at their current prices?
They’re not announcing them because they simply do not know anything beyond they’re increasing the price. And why are they doing that? Well, because everyone else is.
If they were suffering significantly currently then they’ve plenty of existing issues that could be addressed first and would guarantee they weren’t pissing away money before re-evaluating. However, they aren’t so we cannot be expected to believe they’re forced to make the increase or that they’re so concerned about not announcing the cost in case they have to increase them again.
This is all based on the continued issues and mistakes they never seem to learn from. But of course, continue to reiterate away on the basis of absolutely nothing.
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 27, 2022 15:24:44 GMT
Their Cost Projections can't be as short as 2 months surely though? Also as i reiterate the prices margin difference in most cases between pre and post release is already tiny in real money terms, they cant reduce it much further and guarantee a workable pre order customer base. Regards mark687 The price margin between pre and post release is pure profit to them. There’s no way that pre-order price of the download does not take into account the full production costs plus X% profit. And the price different between download and physical will cover manufacturing, warehouse costs and free UK postage. They will not make many, if any, orders at the full price. That just serves them as a way to market future sales. And on the off chance they do make a sell, well it’s extra quids in the bank.
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Post by thelonecenturion on Aug 27, 2022 16:12:16 GMT
Their Cost Projections can't be as short as 2 months surely though? Also as i reiterate the prices margin difference in most cases between pre and post release is already tiny in real money terms, they cant reduce it much further and guarantee a workable pre order customer base. Regards mark687 The price margin between pre and post release is pure profit to them. There’s no way that pre-order price of the download does not take into account the full production costs plus X% profit. And the price different between download and physical will cover manufacturing, warehouse costs and free UK postage. They will not make many, if any, orders at the full price. That just serves them as a way to market future sales. And on the off chance they do make a sell, well it’s extra quids in the bank. There is no basis for the argument that you're making. If the pre-order prices took into account the full production cost plus profit, and they hardly ever made any full price sales, they would just keep everything at the lower price to encourage sales. I'd wager a good portion of sales are made at the full price.
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Post by mark687 on Aug 27, 2022 16:32:50 GMT
Their Cost Projections can't be as short as 2 months surely though? Also as i reiterate the prices margin difference in most cases between pre and post release is already tiny in real money terms, they cant reduce it much further and guarantee a workable pre order customer base. Regards mark687 The price margin between pre and post release is pure profit to them. There’s no way that pre-order price of the download does not take into account the full production costs plus X% profit. And the price different between download and physical will cover manufacturing, warehouse costs and free UK postage. They will not make many, if any, orders at the full price. That just serves them as a way to market future sales. And on the off chance they do make a sell, well it’s extra quids in the bank. Hypothetical if you could set it what would be your base prices Mine would be (and these are maximums using Uk Prices so Overseas Members convert to whatever amount when these are converted into your local currency) All releases would be Full-Cast 2 4 part stories Or 4 70+minute Eps a Boxset Per item CD+Dl £20 pre release £30 Post release DL Only £10 Pre Release £15 Post Release Bundles of 2- 4 Releases 2 Release Bundle ether Format £25 Pre Release £30 Post Release 3 Release Bundle Dl Only £30 CD+DL £35 Pre Realease £35 DL Only £40 CD+DL Post Release 4 Release Bundle DL Only £40 CD+DL £50 Pre Release DL Only £50 CD+DL £60 Post Release Regards mark687
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Post by shallacatop on Aug 27, 2022 16:56:43 GMT
The price margin between pre and post release is pure profit to them. There’s no way that pre-order price of the download does not take into account the full production costs plus X% profit. And the price different between download and physical will cover manufacturing, warehouse costs and free UK postage. They will not make many, if any, orders at the full price. That just serves them as a way to market future sales. And on the off chance they do make a sell, well it’s extra quids in the bank. There is no basis for the argument that you're making. If the pre-order prices took into account the full production cost plus profit, and they hardly ever made any full price sales, they would just keep everything at the lower price to encourage sales. I'd wager a good portion of sales are made at the full price. It’s been stated before by Big Finish that they’re reliant on pre-orders and it’s where the bulk of their sales come from. The pre-order prices are in place for such a long time before release, due to their announcement lead times. They continue to keep those pre-order prices going for a couple of months after release once reviews have come in. The increase in price comes some time after release when sales have died down and then serve as a basis for their sales, where sets get reduced back to pre-order prices and can market that. That’s just basic business every company works on. It makes no sense why the pre-order price they list the product at would not take into account the full costs and profit margins because it’s where the sales are coming. If it wasn’t, then how would you justify download only releases or releases where prices do not change in the months following release? Odd that there’s no basis for my argument, which comes from previous comments from Big Finish and logic of their releases, but you can suddenly wager a good portion of sales are made at the full price?
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