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Post by kimalysong on Jan 17, 2016 21:33:12 GMT
Just a note I will be listening to episode 5 tomorrow. Easier for me to find the time to listen at work (which kind of sounds odd). But hey something to look forward to on Monday.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 0:59:33 GMT
"Amy Cunningham is no more. Amy Jennings? She fights back!" I must say at first listen when I hadn't reached her family's story in the TV series I thought it was maybe a bit exaggerated but wow..she really did have a Were-family. Harry really wants away from Andrew at this point and it's clearly not just being a rebellious teen - he hates his father and its quite easy to see why. The man has no redeeming features. I love that in Dark Shadows the "monsters" are often the ones who aren't vampires, werewolves or ghosts. A shame he had to depart so early but I guess the decks needed to be cleared for the more Supernatural elements and characters creeping in. Matthew ha such a big part of the arc so far that killing him sends the message that NO-ONE is safe. LOVE the snapshot of Beyond The Grave. Kate has seemed like she's either suffering from something like PTSD or was drinking to forget. THe fact she moved to Collinsport after what happened to Tom Lacey suggests to me that, at first, at least she was going to try and "solve" the supernatural murders but she met with a town in denial that blocked her and she found solace in the bottle. Well, that's what I thought going in to this but clearly - she's in it for the thrill and the excitment of living in a town of such danger. And Frankie's "Another day, another dollar"...what's going on there, then?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 1:03:46 GMT
And I love that it's young(ish) Tommy who challenges Angelique. She listens to him more than she has anyone else this series. I like the self-pity we get from the witch here. Lamenting that she used to be so powerful (does she say a Goddess?) and is now living her days in a wet, cold cave.
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Post by gljohnson17 on Jan 18, 2016 1:08:56 GMT
Nothing to add to what Rob and Davy have said.
Brilliant episode all the way through.
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Post by omega on Jan 18, 2016 1:26:05 GMT
And I love that it's young(ish) Tommy who challenges Angelique. She listens to him more than she has anyone else this series. I like the self-pity we get from the witch here. Lamenting that she used to be so powerful (does she say a Goddess?) and is now living her days in a wet, cold cave. Maybe Angelique feels more open to the innocent. She conversed quite civilly with Harry, and Tommy doesn't have the life experience to want to use her. They are actually the first two people we see with Angelique in Bloodlust who don't want anything from her (they are probably the first people in a while to talk to her like she's an actual person instead of simply a witch, practically everyone else she has some bad history with), and anyone would be better company than Andrew Cunningham. Even Amy is demanding something from her.
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Post by Trace on Jan 18, 2016 5:32:26 GMT
And I love that it's young(ish) Tommy who challenges Angelique. She listens to him more than she has anyone else this series. I like the self-pity we get from the witch here. Lamenting that she used to be so powerful (does she say a Goddess?) Yes...you will have to listen to audios 1 & 2 (dramatic reading range). It is "Angelique's Descent" - Parts 1 & 2, and will explain the "goddess" line. Episodes 4 & 5: Well, the plot has really thickened at this point! Loved Tom. He's priceless! Kate is really a great character here too. Two attacks, a SORAS spell, a highly anticipated return...all good!
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 18, 2016 6:36:57 GMT
I still can't quite dislike Andrew probably just because it's Matthew Waterhouse, but I think it's especially tragic that right before the end we actually see a glimmer of hope, too late. All the same, I really cheer for Amy starting to stand up for herself again. I think "Liar, liar, liar, liar" (however many times it is exactly) still stands out as a favorite line and a pivotal moment in Bloodlust.
I think of Kate as probably having succumbed to the human temptation of trying to find a way to like bad circumstances, and maybe something of an adrenalin addict after Beyond the Grave. (I'd be too, I think). I like Kate and have a hard to think she's really that twisted, maybe Frankie feels the same way having seemingly looked past it easily enough.
The last part I listened to (I'm losing count already), Quentin begins to address being related to Amy - that's really a dream come true for me because Amy has suffered so much and I don't think she ever even knew where it all started (and because the two of them had anything but the best introduction originally). Categorically there's an awful lot of fence-mending to be done but it has to start somewhere and the big question of when if ever it's going to, is a bit of Dark Shadows suspense I'm very glad we can move beyond.
Really enjoying hearing the Collinsport newscasts again with Edgar Mcbride aka Wallace Mcbride from the Collinsport Historical Society (the CHS is such a wonderful Dark Shadows site). Great casting bonus.
I'm still really impressed and amused with the SORAS gag, it really is clever the way it passes for something from one of those "magic square" thingies with different, unfathomable permutations of the letters in a word. At first I just thought that the story had imported one of those and really didn't get it until it was pointed out to me.
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Post by topper on Jan 18, 2016 19:20:08 GMT
I forgot to post my comments on episode 5 but it looks like my comments line up with everyone else. I'm waiting for Tom to have a heart attack if he keeps eating all that bacon. The story keeps getting better. I need a board to post all they suspects and alibis and lies on it so I don't forget anyone.
Magic is addictive as we find in the conversation in the cave. I think that applies to Kate too after her experiences with magic even though they were horrible. I wasn't sure if Andrew was starting to see the light or if he was just feeling sorry for himself.
What does Mike do for a living that he can stay in Collinsport until Melody's killer is found?
The Collinsport Historical Society costs me money. I picked up the full series when it posted the set was on sale a while back. I may get around to watching them someday too.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 18, 2016 23:07:54 GMT
With the another dollar another day line I kind of got the impression that there is spell on Frankie and he literally couldn't say what was happening in the mine. That was my impression of that scene. That he didn't repeat himself on purpose. I could be totally wrong though.
And call me unforgiving but I didn't feel all that sorry for Andrew. He seemed to feel more sorry for himself and putting the blame on others. But is this really the end for him?. That almost last scene was a bit confusing for me.
And as for the last scene I can tell an important character returns despite not knowing the character.
As for Amy/Tommy/Harry they have a nice little family here. I like that Harry feels closer to his own stepmother rather than his own father (a nice twist in the whole evil stepmother trope).
I don't know really what to make of Tommy. It's hard for me to take his character seriously but I like how he got through to Amy to not give into Angelique and that he likes her the way she is and he can be happy with how he is now. Considering how ridiculous the situation is it was oddly a very touching scene.
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Post by Trace on Jan 19, 2016 2:22:53 GMT
With the another dollar another day line I kind of got the impression that there is spell on Frankie and he literally couldn't say what was happening in the mine. That was my impression of that scene. That he didn't repeat himself on purpose. I could be totally wrong though. And call me unforgiving but I didn't feel all that sorry for Andrew. He seemed to feel more sorry for himself and putting the blame on others. But is this really the end for him?. That almost last scene was a bit confusing for me. And as for the last scene I can tell an important character returns despite not knowing the character. As for Amy/Tommy/Harry they have a nice little family here. I like that Harry feels closer to his own stepmother rather than his own father (a nice twist in the whole evil stepmother trope). I don't know really what to make of Tommy. It's hard for me to take his character seriously but I like how he got through to Amy to not give into Angelique and that he likes her the way she is and he can be happy with how he is now. Considering how ridiculous the situation is it was oddly a very touching scene. I think you are exactly right about Frankie and the mine. As for Andrew, I agree. It's hard to feel sorry for him because he's such a cad, but I DO like the character. It's a "love-to-hate" character. He's certainly entertaining. Tommy's growth spurt is only par for the course on Dark Shadows. Let's face it--the entire series is based on situations/occurrences/beings that are by their nature, ridiculous! You'll see what I mean as you get further into the other audios and original series. But let's just look at Bloodlust up to the point we are at as a starter--we have a witch living in a cave, a wife back from the dead, a woman who has dabbled in magic, a mine-worker who doesn't seem able to explain his job, a reference to some hideous supernatural event that took place whilst filming a documentary at a mausoleum where people died...and that's only the beginning. Fasten your seat belts!
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Post by omega on Jan 19, 2016 2:39:13 GMT
I think you are exactly right about Frankie and the mine. As for Andrew, I agree. It's hard to feel sorry for him because he's such a cad, but I DO like the character. It's a "love-to-hate" character. He's certainly entertaining. Tommy's growth spurt is only par for the course on Dark Shadows. Let's face it--the entire series is based on situations/occurrences/beings that are by their nature, ridiculous! You'll see what I mean as you get further into the other audios and original series. But let's just look at Bloodlust up to the point we are at as a starter--we have a witch living in a cave, a wife back from the dead, a woman who has dabbled in magic, a mine-worker who doesn't seem able to explain his job, a reference to some hideous supernatural event that took place whilst filming a documentary at a mausoleum where people died...and that's only the beginning. Fasten your seat belts! Kate seems to be the one person actually interested in the mine at the moment. She sent Andrew to investigate but that didn't turn up anything (that does tend to happen when the reporter on the case tries to blackmail a witch, has long overdue family drama and ends up dying). Andrew isn't a good guy, but he's a compelling character. The fact that he was out of his depth almost makes you feel sorry for him. The Welcome to Collinsport sign should say "Welcome to Collinsport, and farewell to a happy ending". Seriously, who has been in Collinsport and would up all the better for it? How many stories have had an ending that isn't sad or bittersweet? Have any stories not had a body count?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2016 2:42:14 GMT
I'm with Trace. We're now at the point where the series stops with the setup and just starts unleashing 100% pure, unadulterated Dark Shadows.
This relisten has been great as it's not only nice to relisten with friends but it's made me pick up a few more of the gaps in my collection. Only a handful left now!
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 19, 2016 2:51:31 GMT
Yeah I have to be clear just because I don't like Andrew doesn't mean I dislike Waterhouse's performance. He's one of my favorites in fact. I won't say Andrew is a mustache twirling villain but there are definitely men like him in the real world and it's hard for me to feel any real sympathy for the character. I dislike Andrew but love the performance.
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Post by gljohnson17 on Jan 19, 2016 3:54:33 GMT
I just noticed the heartbeat at the end of the DS intro again. I had my headphones on so that may be the reason. I can't remember now if it's throughout the series. .Davy D?
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Post by elkawho on Jan 19, 2016 4:10:24 GMT
I really am enjoying listening to this again with this group. You guys are pointing things out I didn't even notice the first time.
I was really surprised by Andrew's death. Mostly because Matthew Waterhouse was so good in this. It was great to hear Amy decide to be strong and take control. I love Kate and Frankie's scene, since they are a couple of the newer characters in the Collinsport saga.
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Post by Rob Morris on Jan 19, 2016 17:41:47 GMT
It is fun to share isn't it?
So, today's episode 6 and this is my second favourite cliff-hanger. (Mind you it’s a very close second.) The arrival of The Trinity is a great moment, but I keep forgetting that’s only really Rhonda and a couple others who really see it.
But as an episode this is where we start to really see what Bloodlust is really about: the fomentation of the vigilante mob. And it’s Ed who’s leading it, Maggie trying to hold it back, but still at the mercy of her own demons and fears which mean she’s kind of blind to reason.
And Harry. Oh, Harry. Why did you do that? You have poor Isaiah’s blood on your hands now. And even then Angelique chooses to be merciful to an innocent. She’s definitely growing as a person.
And after being aged, Tom has yet another curse! That poor kid really can’t catch a break, can he?
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 19, 2016 19:10:41 GMT
My comparison to Shiki ended up not being so far off after all, especially the parts with the mob. Anyways I guess I was wrong about Harry being a "normal kid". Never trust the normal ones. No he is normal just a normal supernatural kid it seems. Is he a vampire? Did he kill Melody accidentally? Well this episode seemed to hint that but I won't assume anything. He's still probably my favorite character in this. The story also seemed to hint that Tommy might have killed his father. Although he's still a bit of a kid inside a grown body and if he is a werewolf I would say it also wasn't his fault. I guess we now have our 3 regular Dark Shadow supernatural characters. And I do remember Barnabas the vampire from all those years ago when I watched some episodes. In fact he is the only character I remember. But I guess he did make an impression on me.
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Post by barnabaslives on Jan 20, 2016 2:03:24 GMT
And Harry. Oh, Harry. Why did you do that? You have poor Isaiah’s blood on your hands now. I asked myself that but it seemed to me like in spite of developing issues with Angelique, Harry was still stuck with trying to keep the mob mentality from getting even worse.
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Post by kimalysong on Jan 20, 2016 2:08:27 GMT
And Harry. Oh, Harry. Why did you do that? You have poor Isaiah’s blood on your hands now. I asked myself that but it seemed to me like in spite of developing issues with Angelique, Harry was still stuck with trying to keep the mob mentality from getting even worse. He said he did it because they were going to go after Quentin. Wasn't Harry not sure if Angelique was innocent? I think he made the wrong decision but didn't know what to do and he felt had to do something quick. . His motivations were not evil. Maybe Angelique knew that and that is why she didn't turn on him despite what he did. Look at me defending Harry...I've really taken to this kid lol.
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Post by omega on Jan 20, 2016 2:26:28 GMT
I asked myself that but it seemed to me like in spite of developing issues with Angelique, Harry was still stuck with trying to keep the mob mentality from getting even worse. He said he did it because they were going to go after Quentin. Wasn't Harry not sure if Angelique was innocent? I think he made the wrong decision but didn't know what to do and he felt had to do something quick. . His motivations were not evil. Maybe Angelique knew that and that is why she didn't turn on him despite what he did. Look at me defending Harry...I've really taken to this kid lol. The people of Collinsport needed someone to take their frustrations out on, and sadly Harry got caught up in the mob mentality and wasn't strong enough to avoid sharing Angelique's location. At least people weren't questioning how Harry had come by that information and was only just then volunteering it. The two main issues at the moment are the supernatural deaths, which take Rhonda out of her depth, and Maggie with her lynch mob. Rhonda is the character I feel for the most at the moment. She's juggling a series of ongoing baffling investigations, an inquisitive teenage daughter and the whole town just waiting for her to slip up, particularly Ed, who seems to have been on her case a lot after what happened with Susan. She's also unaware of the supernatural characters or history that's around, which makes her efforts more commendable. She's making progress, but it feels like anything short of a culprit in custody will not please the townsfolk.
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