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Post by mark687 on May 29, 2023 14:28:07 GMT
Sorry to dampen your ego Mark but you’re just not that important to make my minute let alone my year. Glad to see that you’re trying to change the topic away from your excessive advertising posts instead of just owning your error I did own my error and I will modify the practice so if there's an ego at work its yours because you are so offended by it and asked to know who would defend it. Regards mark687 |
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Post by The Matt on May 29, 2023 14:32:14 GMT
I can defend myself thanks Mark. Once again you over rate yourself judging by your response.
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Post by mark687 on May 29, 2023 14:41:35 GMT
I can defend myself thanks Mark. Once again you over rate yourself judging by your response. Ok I was Wrong Regards mark687 |
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Post by masterdoctor on May 29, 2023 15:22:21 GMT
I can defend myself thanks Mark. Once again you over rate yourself judging by your response. God, you are just a miserable, bitter and angry person aren’t you. Notice how everyone else didn’t resort to be an absolute ass, and didn’t attack other members of the forum? Grow up and stop acting like a petulant child. |
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Post by The Matt on May 29, 2023 16:31:37 GMT
Frankly your opinion means nothing but for the record I am none of those things. I notice you don’t take note of Marks attitude. Shocking.
Being nicey nicey for the sake of it when things need to be said achieves nothing.
Everything I said was right and I would say it again. I don’t need to come on here and try and act all piously superior to others to try and make myself feel better about my self.
The fact that you don’t like what I’ve posted just confirms to me that it needed to be said. The status quo needs to be smashed around here.
Anyway, I’ve said my bit now. Mark admitted he was wrong so I’m don’t with this thread. The point has been made and no more needs to be said.
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Post by timleschild on May 29, 2023 17:02:33 GMT
Shocked it was you Mark…….said absolutely no one. To be blunt you’re one of the main culprits of the whole “I posted first” culture that is spoiling the forum. It’s hardly a “difference of opinion” Mark, look at the vast gap between the yes and no numbers. Look how, other than you, no one has said it’s a good idea. I’m he other three yes voters didn’t even feel strong enough about it to post. It’s been mentioned before but you’ve ignored it. Hopefully this time you’ll just man up and admit you were wrong……..but I very much doubt it. And you've called me out that's made your year I'm sure. Regards mark687 Oh dear. |
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Post by masterdoctor on May 29, 2023 17:46:13 GMT
Frankly your opinion means nothing but for the record I am none of those things. I notice you don’t take note of Marks attitude. Shocking. Being nicey nicey for the sake of it when things need to be said achieves nothing. Everything I said was right and I would say it again. I don’t need to come on here and try and act all piously superior to others to try and make myself feel better about my self. The fact that you don’t like what I’ve posted just confirms to me that it needed to be said. The status quo needs to be smashed around here. Anyway, I’ve said my bit now. Mark admitted he was wrong so I’m don’t with this thread. The point has been made and no more needs to be said. Ok |
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Post by melkur on May 29, 2023 18:52:17 GMT
I'm another of the yes-es, but I'm technically on the fence...
I don't mind 'updates' when it's, say, letting us know a set's release-date (or a delay to it), or if it's BF 'announcing' who or what's going to be involved in it, but I am becoming slightly "annoyed" (and that might be overstating it) with the:
Here's a review of a recent set.
Here's another review of that recent set.
And hey, look, a third review of a recent set!
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Post by davygallagher on May 29, 2023 22:14:18 GMT
News is fine but yep...the odd race to post it mere seconds after its out is baffling. As is the inclusion of silly non-news tweets like memes and the like.
If people want EVERY word from BF they can sub to the social media of their choice. I view the forum by latest posts and some days its a sea of embadded tweets.
That said I dont think there is a correlation to the lack of discourse. I kinda stopped as if I was listening even a week late then I woul spend 20mins on a post with no responses bar a bunch of likes. And, sorry, but a LOT of the BF output just doesnt excite me now. The crossovers have killed a ot of the novelty and seem to be the focus over the story a lot of the time now. And a release like the "Lost" Dalek ep this week? Makes me REALLY feel like the well is dry.
I said when the MR ended that I was scared it meant almost every boxset would turn into a novelty crossover or have a twist and we would lose small, solid stories. It saddens me to say thats happened...a LOT worse than I feared. So honestly...I dont want to post as much as I feel so indifferent. And indifference is the death of art.
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You know, now that you mention it, I actually do rather like Attack of the Cybermen ...
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Post by lidar2 on May 29, 2023 22:18:20 GMT
I often think that the constant advertising posts are just a p!$$ing competition between certain members to see who can post first regardless if anyone actually wants to read it. I’d like to know who the 4 people who voted yes. I mean I’m fairly sure I can guess….. This is how I feel... especially regarding the "Updates" thread. You'll get someone posting in there to let everyone know when a release is in accounts, and then you'll get someone else linking a tweet from BF echoing the exact same thing... I go into that thread expecting actual updates, not the same thing posted multiple times by different people. Agree 100% |
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Post by eightelements on May 30, 2023 0:41:46 GMT
I liked things back in the days of one text-only update in the release thread and one in the updates thread. (Announced, details, cast, cover - fine to be an embedded image, trailer, out now.) Then Big Finish started releasing details and cast piecemeal - that's two updates per story in each box set, and making re-posts of the other things. That's a lot of updates already! So it is partially Big Finish's fault. (And it is a good marketing strategy for them.)
But all of this, plus cast and crew saying they were in [this], and whatever else we get regularly now - all using embedded tweets - is too much for me. It does not make for a good release discussion thread.
The big thing I want is text-only updates (unless a cover is being announced, for example). But also preferably less 'update-only' posts.
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Post by eightelements on May 30, 2023 0:52:03 GMT
I raised an interesting point in my previous post. Big Finish are likely going to be doing announcements for:
*Box set.
*Special guest cast member.
*Box set title.
*Story titles.
*Details of story 1.
*Cast of story 1.
*Repeat for stories 2 and 3.
*Cover.
*Trailer.
*Available on [date], with at least reminder post.
*Available now.
*Re-tweeting cast or crew post(s).
That's a lot of stuff.
[This is me realising just how often Big Finish is announcing things compared to the Main Range era.]
Thoughts, everyone?
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Post by Kestrel on May 30, 2023 2:11:28 GMT
I would like to make it very clear that if I'd thought it necessary to single out any individual user here, I would have done so. The issue at hand is one of general patterns of behavior, not malicious or selfish actions by any singular "bad-actors." And in light of the (frankly, embarrassing) argument that recently snowballed, I would also like to specifically comment on mark687 's behavior: Mark, you're fine. The tweets you share are often worth sharing, I think, but far more importantly you are an active participant in our discussions here. For my part, I appreciate your presence and am glad you're here. If you leave spam here, please also have the decency to answer and react to people, otherwise I will just ignore your spam in future. This is really the crux of the matter, I think: people who use the forum as a means to drive traffic elsewhere with little to no desire to interact with our little community here. Like if your behavior is effectively indistinguishable from a bot's... that's a problem. And the users that behave that way? I don't think they'll see this thread, because I don't think they really read anything we say. We're just potential web traffic for them -- "line go up" and all that. So, really, yeah: this is for the mods/admin(s). A request for some additional guidelines, active suggestions to users to adjust behavior when necessary, and ultimately deleting posts that come across as spammy. And if there aren't enough mods available to keep thins moving like that, deputize a user. Most of us here are, I think, pretty responsible, mature adults -- so I think just some "gentle suggestion" would be sufficient to change things for the better. |
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Post by Ela on May 30, 2023 3:55:43 GMT
Hi, all,
This problem of "news" about releases being posted everywhere is an old one here on the forum. We have tried to get people to agree to post news in one place only, but in spite of numerous discussions, the multiple news posts in multiple places has continued. And, yes, it often does seem to be a race among a few members to be "first".
I, for one, am open to suggestions as to how to improve the situation.
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Post by Kestrel on May 30, 2023 5:38:19 GMT
Hi, all, This problem of "news" about releases being posted everywhere is an old one here on the forum. We have tried to get people to agree to post news in one place only, but in spite of numerous discussions, the multiple news posts in multiple places has continued. And, yes, it often does seem to be a race among a few members to be "first". I, for one, am open to suggestions as to how to improve the situation. Well, not build somewhat on what I said previously, I'd suggest implementing the following guidelines for discussion threads: - Posting links (and nothing else) to "news" about a release is fine up until the day it comes out.
- After that, any/all links should include some comment from the user -- I think it would be problematic to try and dictate what kind of comment or how long, so I'd just say ANY text from them is fine, even if it's just, "Huh, this was interesting.
- Links to reviews posted in discussion threads should be accompanied by a summary of their opinion (which would probably need to be more than just a single sentence -- and definitely more detailed than "Huh, that was interesting." Basically, they should share enough of their opinion to contribute to the ongoing discussion.
- I'd recommend a suggestion against posting consecutive links to "news" post-release if they're not generating discussion. EG it's kind of a bad look when there are multiple consecutive tweets being reposted in a thread, but no one's talking about anything. But at the same time, we are "liking" these tweets, so I'd definitely be against making any sort of hard-and-fast rule here. This would be more of a, "Maybe reconsider," kind of suggestion.
I would also classify every thread dedicated to a single release as a discussion thread, regardless of forum. But maybe that's going a bit too far.... I might be overstating things a bit here. I don't know. This is a lot of text up above this sentence, and we're all aware of the KISS rule. Maybe just sum it up as, "Don't post links without comment in a discussion thread after its release date." Nice and simple, yeah, and covers most everything, right? |
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Post by tuigirl on May 30, 2023 6:38:58 GMT
Hi, all, This problem of "news" about releases being posted everywhere is an old one here on the forum. We have tried to get people to agree to post news in one place only, but in spite of numerous discussions, the multiple news posts in multiple places has continued. And, yes, it often does seem to be a race among a few members to be "first". I, for one, am open to suggestions as to how to improve the situation. Well, not build somewhat on what I said previously, I'd suggest implementing the following guidelines for discussion threads: - Posting links (and nothing else) to "news" about a release is fine up until the day it comes out.
- After that, any/all links should include some comment from the user -- I think it would be problematic to try and dictate what kind of comment or how long, so I'd just say ANY text from them is fine, even if it's just, "Huh, this was interesting.
- Links to reviews posted in discussion threads should be accompanied by a summary of their opinion (which would probably need to be more than just a single sentence -- and definitely more detailed than "Huh, that was interesting." Basically, they should share enough of their opinion to contribute to the ongoing discussion.
- I'd recommend a suggestion against posting consecutive links to "news" post-release if they're not generating discussion. EG it's kind of a bad look when there are multiple consecutive tweets being reposted in a thread, but no one's talking about anything. But at the same time, we are "liking" these tweets, so I'd definitely be against making any sort of hard-and-fast rule here. This would be more of a, "Maybe reconsider," kind of suggestion.
I would also classify every thread dedicated to a single release as a discussion thread, regardless of forum. But maybe that's going a bit too far.... I might be overstating things a bit here. I don't know. This is a lot of text up above this sentence, and we're all aware of the KISS rule. Maybe just sum it up as, "Don't post links without comment in a discussion thread after its release date." Nice and simple, yeah, and covers most everything, right? I think this would be a great improvement! I agree.
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Post by shallacatop on May 30, 2023 8:14:56 GMT
Personally I would move away from the use of embedded tweets for the most part; apart from release dates I can't think of anything news worthy that is solely on Twitter and not more appropriate by linking to the product page, news article, etc. I think the release threads should be solely for updates relating to the set or discussion. Updates would be new cast, story details, covers, trailer, etc. but replacing the embedded tweet with a link to the relevant piece and a brief sentence explaining what the update is. E.g. "Cover for Daleks! Genesis of Terror revealed - www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/doctor-who-daleks-genesis-of-terror-2569 ". This would also be the foundation of the Updates Thread as well. Any sale related items should be shared on the Sales Thread, again minimising the use of embedded tweets. For me, a member of the cast saying how much they enjoyed their recording day, the release going on sale, BF sharing reviews of the releases, etc. are neither updates or appropriate in the relevant release discussion thread. For links to reviews, there is a Reviews / Blogs section of the forum, which is where a quick post with a link should go. I agree with @kestrel's suggestion that if someone does want to share it on the release discussion thread, then it should contain enough to be able to instigate discussion. Essentially it's just utilising common sense and courtesy, using the threads for their intended purpose. For the most part the same information will come through, but in a more appropriate manner and streamlined due to reduction of posts and duplicates. If those who contribute to the bulk of the "spam" have an issue with it, then I would question their current intentions by just posting embedded tweet after embedded tweet and little else. |
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Post by captainpugwash on May 30, 2023 8:21:25 GMT
So just looking at the latest page of the updates thread, and how I would improve it. For starters there’s the reminder of the end of a sale, yes that’s an update. The poster has said do in his post, then in the same post there is the whole tweet with picture from BF. Personally what I would do differently is to remove the whole tweet and I’d just have a link TO THE tweet. It’s the constant posting of the whole tweet with images that I personally find annoying. The post has told me the sale is ending, I don’t need to see the tweet as well. Just include the link as proof and leave it up to me if I want to check the source of the news.
The tweets take f o r e v e r to load and clog up the page. Thanks.
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Post by shallacatop on May 30, 2023 8:44:33 GMT
So just looking at the latest page of the updates thread, and how I would improve it. For starters there’s the reminder of the end of a sale, yes that’s an update. The poster has said do in his post, then in the same post there is the whole tweet with picture from BF. Personally what I would do differently is to remove the whole tweet and I’d just have a link TO THE tweet. It’s the constant posting of the whole tweet with images that I personally find annoying. The post has told me the sale is ending, I don’t need to see the tweet as well. Just include the link as proof and leave it up to me if I want to check the source of the news. The tweets take f o r e v e r to load and clog up the page. Thanks. For what it’s worth, you can’t just link to the tweet - pasting the link automatically turns it into the embed. Aside from release dates, I don’t really think there’s a reason for sharing tweets in the form of Big Finish updates. A sale is on the news page of the website and the deadline for the sale is published then; we don’t need a reminder, the sales don’t go on forever and if they’re posted in the appropriate thread (the Sales one), there shouldn’t be enough discussion generated for it to go hidden amongst other posts. |
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Post by The Brigadier on May 30, 2023 8:49:11 GMT
While I'm very much in the "just scroll past" camp (albeit with the occasional eye roll / weary sigh thrown in) and I'm certainly not going to be pointing fingers in anyone's direction (we saw enough of that yesterday...), I do agree that the posting of tweets in the discussion threads has become a problem. Let me give you an example from a discussion thread of a release within the last twelve months that I was considering purchasing:
1. Post of BF Tweet with the initial cast details.
2. Post of BF Tweet with the cover reveal.
3. Post of Tweet from artist of cover retweeting BF Tweet with the cover reveal.
4. Post of BF Tweet linking to a website article about the release...and updated to announce the cover reveal.
5. Post of BF Tweet with the trailer. Same Post shares BF Tweet again as it is threaded to a second Tweet...about release month and cast names.
6. Post of BF Tweet with the trailer (again). This time threaded to a second Tweet from the BF 'Intern' sharing a meme.
7. Post of BF Tweet sharing final cast details.
8. Post of BF Tweet announcing release. Same Post also includes Tweet from the producer retweeting the BF Tweet announcing release.
9. Post of Tweet from writer of production reposting a BF Tweet which was threaded to the first BF Tweet announcing release.
Admittedly that was over a period of about a month and the line of posted tweets was broken by a single Post confirming the number of CDs produced for the release...but how many of those posts were relevant to the discussion thread? Actually, how many of those posts would be relevant to the updates thread?
And...it wasn't until this morning while double checking the details of the various posts in that thread that I found that when I initially scrolled through the shared tweets I'd missed a relevant post tucked in just behind them - one linking to an interview with someone connected to the history of the production.
I would urge those who post tweets/links to the threads to pause before posting, look at the balance of votes cast in Tuigirl's vote and really consider whether what you want to share is relevant. Look and see if it has already been posted in some shape and form...or whether it'll be looked at as spam. The race to be first to post really isn't all that.
Now with that said...posts of BF tweets linking to BF endorsed website reviews...
Yeah...🤦♂️...if anything will get my eyes rolling faster than a fruit machine on full tilt it is posts of BF tweets linking to BF endorsed website reviews.
What comes from Twitter is sometimes best left on Twitter...
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