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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 26, 2024 6:36:37 GMT
Russell on the Timeless Child arc: “That storyline is a gift handed to me by Chris Chibnall. It's an honour to take it on from him. There's so much story in it! We're dealing with it in what we're shooting now for Season 2.” Oh yes a real gift Like pandora’s box
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2024 8:25:59 GMT
Russell on the Timeless Child arc: “That storyline is a gift handed to me by Chris Chibnall. It's an honour to take it on from him. There's so much story in it! We're dealing with it in what we're shooting now for Season 2.” Oh yes a real gift Like pandora’s box I think I'd trust him to know what elements to use to make Doctor Who popular. Since he has. Twice. With this "I didnt like it so it shouldnt return" attitude, Big Finish would never have rehabilitated Colin Baker's reputation, hired Bonnie Langford or Matthew Waterhouse and many more examples. How about he takes parts of the idea - being adopted, not knowing your past - and builds on it to establish themes? Where's the issue? He already did this in Ruby Road.
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Post by timleschild on Apr 26, 2024 8:37:34 GMT
Oh yes a real gift Like pandora’s box I think I'd trust him to know what elements to use to make Doctor Who popular. Since he has. Twice. With this "I didnt like it so it shouldnt return" attitude, Big Finish would never have rehabilitated Colin Baker's reputation, hired Bonnie Langford or Matthew Waterhouse and many more examples. How about he takes parts of the idea - being adopted, not knowing your past - and builds on it to establish themes? Where's the issue? He already did this in Ruby Road. Well said. Some fans want RTD to retcon it, which would be worse & just pandering to a minority with their entitled attitudes.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 26, 2024 9:07:14 GMT
Russell on the Timeless Child arc: “That storyline is a gift handed to me by Chris Chibnall. It's an honour to take it on from him. There's so much story in it! We're dealing with it in what we're shooting now for Season 2.” Oh yes a real gift Like pandora’s box Wish contained hope.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 26, 2024 10:48:44 GMT
Russell on the Timeless Child arc: “That storyline is a gift handed to me by Chris Chibnall. It's an honour to take it on from him. There's so much story in it! We're dealing with it in what we're shooting now for Season 2.” RTD2 era may not be all bad. Yes cause the Writer Directors and Star should've been able to communicate with each other better on their takeaways and motivations around it we hope! Regards mark687
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Post by timleschild on Apr 26, 2024 11:00:59 GMT
Oh yes a real gift Like pandora’s box Wish contained hope. So often forgotten.
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Post by mark687 on Apr 26, 2024 11:05:34 GMT
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Post by idle453 on Apr 26, 2024 17:09:40 GMT
Oh yes a real gift Like pandora’s box Wish contained hope. The Pandora story never made sense to me. All the evils in the world were in the box and escaped so now they are in the world. But Hope was in the box and pandora closed it before it could escape so we still have hope. If things in the box can affect the world, the evils wouldn't have to escape and if they only affect the world after leaving the box, hope should be in the world. Am I misremembering the story? IDLE
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Post by timleschild on Apr 26, 2024 18:21:11 GMT
The Pandora story never made sense to me. All the evils in the world were in the box and escaped so now they are in the world. But Hope was in the box and pandora closed it before it could escape so we still have hope. If things in the box can affect the world, the evils wouldn't have to escape and if they only affect the world after leaving the box, hope should be in the world. Am I misremembering the story? IDLE Different versions of the story but its metaphorical.. & it was a jar not a box, a mistranslation.
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Post by number13 on Apr 26, 2024 21:46:33 GMT
The Pandora story never made sense to me. All the evils in the world were in the box and escaped so now they are in the world. But Hope was in the box and pandora closed it before it could escape so we still have hope. If things in the box can affect the world, the evils wouldn't have to escape and if they only affect the world after leaving the box, hope should be in the world. Am I misremembering the story? IDLE As I remember it (and I wasn't in Ancient Greece so this is the version I heard a bit more recently ) hope remained in the urn and Pandora put the top on in time to keep it in. But the legend/translations are ambiguous - was the hope 'good hope', hope that the released evils could be overcome, and she stored it safely for the future, or was it yet another evil - 'false hope' - and Pandora keeping it in the urn meant that people had to face up to the evils of the world that had been released and deal with them instead of being distracted by the evil of false hopes.
The fact that she locked it in the urn (and that it was put in with all the evils of the world to start with) suggests the second interpretation to me.
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Post by dasmaniac on Apr 26, 2024 22:08:13 GMT
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Post by timleschild on Apr 26, 2024 22:12:25 GMT
Just keeps getting worse for me.
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Post by sherlock on Apr 26, 2024 22:14:35 GMT
Well tbf they would say that. I don’t mind a break for the Master. Plenty of audio content in meantime.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 27, 2024 9:39:46 GMT
There’s a teaser for the season running as a YouTube advert. Interestingly it uses the same shot of the Doctor crouching out the TARDIS in space as the Disney+ trailer, albeit instead of it being his TARDIS interior, it’s the Remembered version from Tales from the TARDIS.
Outfit is the leather jacket, jeans and white tee ensemble which seems to be from the finale involving Mel, Rose & UNIT.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2024 13:02:04 GMT
Well tbf they would say that. I don’t mind a break for the Master. Plenty of audio content in meantime. Agreed. However, I wish Big Finish would hurry up with Sasha's audios. Can't wait to hear them.
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Post by timleschild on Apr 27, 2024 13:05:19 GMT
Has RTD found god? Before it was science explains gods now he is going hard on gods?
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Post by bethhigdon on Apr 27, 2024 15:40:17 GMT
Has RTD found god? Before it was science explains gods now he is going hard on gods? I wouldn't presume someone's personal beliefs based off of a piece of fiction that they've written.
According to the trailers it looks like RTD is intentionally going for a more surreal fantasy route than before with the Flux being the excuse/plot macguffin that allows for it to happen. Which is a far more interesting outcome for the the Flux plot line than anything Chibnall ever done with it... which was to introduce it as a threat and then just promptly forget about it afterwards.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 27, 2024 17:28:33 GMT
Pandora - these are the versions of the story I know. 1) Prometheus was working for the gods and, knowing how these things worked, put all the bad things in a box which he gave to his brother Epimetheus for safekeeping with instructions not to open it. Then Prometheus got tied to a rock so he couldn't keep an eye on his brother. The gods, wanting the box opened, created a perfect wife for Epimetheus in the form of Pandora. But she couldn't resist the lure of this mysterious box, so opened it, and let all the nasties out. Then she slammed the lid shut so as not to make it worse, only to hear a voice: "let me out! I am Hope!" Because Prometheus, knowing the gods and how they worked, wanted something in the bottom of the box to try and mitigate the damage. Pandora released Hope and so maybe, just maybe, mankind has a chance of overcoming all that is bad.
2) The gods sent the box down with Pandora knowing she'd open it, same results.
However, I have recently heard an alternative interpretation whcih is that Hope is actually one of the nasties after all... the worst torture that the gods imposed on mankind, the vain willingness to put up with all that is bad in the world because of the hope - the false hope - things will improve. Hope as a form of torture.
Fantasy and magic - actually, I've always kind of hoped they might do a series of DW where somebody goes back to the beginning of the universe and changes history so that magic has always existed, so we get stories with a world along the lines of the Lord Darcy mysteries by Randall Garrett. Just saying "the Toymaker let there be goblins" strikes me as a bit simplistic, especially if new viewers are coming in and haven't been exposed to that change.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2024 18:30:57 GMT
Has RTD found god? Before it was science explains gods now he is going hard on gods? I wouldn't presume someone's personal beliefs based off of a piece of fiction that they've written.
According to the trailers it looks like RTD is intentionally going for a more surreal fantasy route than before with the Flux being the excuse/plot macguffin that allows for it to happen. Which is a far more interesting outcome for the the Flux plot line than anything Chibnall ever done with it... which was to introduce it as a threat and then just promptly forget about it afterwards.
Flux was filmed under extreme COVID conditions, it's a minor miracle it came out as well as it did. As for following it up? He only had two episodes and one had to be Jodie's regeneration story. Not like Chibnall had lots of time for followup. And it was made clear in the 60th specials that The Doctor's actions in Wild Blue Yonder with salt at the edge of the universe are why the Toymaker and, now, others are able to cross in from fantastical realms. Nothing to do with Flux. Youre so busy looking to criticise Chibnall youre crediting Russell with something he isn't doing.
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Post by bethhigdon on Apr 27, 2024 19:36:57 GMT
I wouldn't presume someone's personal beliefs based off of a piece of fiction that they've written.
According to the trailers it looks like RTD is intentionally going for a more surreal fantasy route than before with the Flux being the excuse/plot macguffin that allows for it to happen. Which is a far more interesting outcome for the the Flux plot line than anything Chibnall ever done with it... which was to introduce it as a threat and then just promptly forget about it afterwards.
Flux was filmed under extreme COVID conditions, it's a minor miracle it came out as well as it did. As for following it up? He only had two episodes and one had to be Jodie's regeneration story. Not like Chibnall had lots of time for followup. And it was made clear in the 60th specials that The Doctor's actions in Wild Blue Yonder with salt at the edge of the universe are why the Toymaker and, now, others are able to cross in from fantastical realms. Nothing to do with Flux. Youre so busy looking to criticise Chibnall youre crediting Russell with something he isn't doing. Ignoring your unnecessary Chibnall stanning, it's stated clearly in WBY that the whole reason for the universe being smaller and things getting through is due to the Flux. I enjoy a lot of the Chibnall era but this constant 'no criticism ever!' by some of the more rabid fans makes me retroactively dislike it more than I do. It's tiresome.
I'm well aware of the circumstances behind the scenes, thank you, that doesn't make the concept any better utilized than it was.
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