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Post by shallacatop on May 9, 2024 14:07:20 GMT
I think ghost written is perhaps a bit harsh in the case of these novels, at least some of them. Tom had a lot of input with Scratchman. Sophie seems to have done At Childhood’s End herself with Mike Tucker tidying it up, same for Alex Kingston & Jacqueline Rayner for The Ruby’s Curse and both actors have spoken in-depth about their writing at conventions.
Of course, your mileage may vary (I haven’t got a clue about Frazer and Evil of the Daleks, for example), but I wouldn’t go as far to say these are the stereotypical ghost written autobiographies and the like.
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Post by timleschild on May 9, 2024 14:44:08 GMT
I think ghost written is perhaps a bit harsh in the case of these novels, at least some of them. Tom had a lot of input with Scratchman. Sophie seems to have done At Childhood’s End herself with Mike Tucker tidying it up, same for Alex Kingston & Jacqueline Rayner for The Ruby’s Curse and both actors have spoken in-depth about their writing at conventions. Of course, your mileage may vary (I haven’t got a clue about Frazer and Evil of the Daleks, for example), but I wouldn’t go as far to say these are the stereotypical ghost written autobiographies and the like. It was not only Mike Tucker who worked on At Childhood's End, Stephen Cole is also credited. Personally I think its a lot more than tidying up but putting only the actors name on the cover is good marketing.
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Post by bethhigdon on May 9, 2024 15:35:57 GMT
A somewhat odd addition to Mel’s role in this new era; a novel written by Bonne Langford set in Mel’s time with Glitz: As someone who has always wanted a Leverage in Space style spin-off with Mel and Glitz, I'm excited for this.
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Post by shallacatop on May 9, 2024 16:02:11 GMT
The Doctor has been doing some more BBC interruptions this week. The BBC One idents before EastEnders & Pointless, with the screen flashing to 60s BBC idents and flashes of the TARDIS in the vortex and Ncuti doing a voiceover introducing the next show.
There was also an extended interruption on Greg James’ Radio 1 breakfast show this morning, in which the Doctor mentioned he needed to get back to the 60s and took control of the studio, flashing through music from past decades.
The Devil’s Chord is really driving the promotion, isn’t it?
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2024 16:28:05 GMT
The Doctor has been doing some more BBC interruptions this week. The BBC One idents before EastEnders & Pointless, with the screen flashing to 60s BBC idents and flashes of the TARDIS in the vortex and Ncuti doing a voiceover introducing the next show. There was also an extended interruption on Greg James’ Radio 1 breakfast show this morning, in which the Doctor mentioned he needed to get back to the 60s and took control of the studio, flashing through music from past decades. The Devil’s Chord is really driving the promotion, isn’t it? The Beatles and Drag Race crossover along makes it an obvious choice. Space Babies has one of the fan-faves icons of Bridgerton but not much else to grab the ones who may not otherwise jump in.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2024 16:31:56 GMT
I think ghost written is perhaps a bit harsh in the case of these novels, at least some of them. Tom had a lot of input with Scratchman. Sophie seems to have done At Childhood’s End herself with Mike Tucker tidying it up, same for Alex Kingston & Jacqueline Rayner for The Ruby’s Curse and both actors have spoken in-depth about their writing at conventions. Of course, your mileage may vary (I haven’t got a clue about Frazer and Evil of the Daleks, for example), but I wouldn’t go as far to say these are the stereotypical ghost written autobiographies and the like. I cant speak to all of them but I know one of the writers - have since the Panopticon days - and the exact phrase they used was "back of a fag packet" (cigarettes for non-English folk!) for how much the companion had in terms of actual content to add. Wont say which one since its not my news to share but it seemed pretty much like the Big Finish contest - 500 word summation.
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Post by fitzoliverj on May 9, 2024 20:18:50 GMT
I haven’t got a clue about Frazer and Evil of the Daleks, for example He said in an interview that he'd ended up doing a lot more writing than he expected, and he's previously written an audio novel about a Scot resembling but legally distinct from Jamie for a DW-adjacent publisher. "I cant speak to all of them but I know one of the writers - have since the Panopticon days - and the exact phrase they used was "back of a fag packet" Tease! Just for comparison, at the moment I'm listening to the all-star* audiobook of "Fan Fiction" by Star Trek's Brent Spiner. He's said in interviews that originally it was intended as an 'autobiography' where he'd do one interview with the ghostwriter and she'd do the rest. He wasn't really interested in that so it morphed into a detective novel set on the set of TNG, and with nothing else to do in lockdown he did a lot of writing for it. * with Spiner reading the novel, and the stars of Star Trek voicing themselves
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2024 21:03:46 GMT
It's not uncommon. Andy Robinson as Garak has his novel too from last year for Trek DS9. Shatner has his own "Shatnerverse" where Kirk is brought back to life post-Generations. THAT is one of the examples of him having some ideas but a HUGE amount being one of the more...well versed writers helping. He got caught in interviews saying he hadn't heard of various characters and races....that had appeared in "his" novels!
Colin did a Sixth Doctor comic before any of this, lest we forget. And Lou Jameson has written for Leela. Some absolutely are writers who just need a bit of shape from a pro. Others are approached or pitch themselves with ideas for - as said above - marketing. A Bonnie Langford first novel is selling more than a Jacqueline Raynor book about Mel and Glitz would, by a fair bit.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 9, 2024 21:31:34 GMT
According to fan myth - Matt Smith wrote “something” to help him get his “Doctor voice”, that’d be a novel novelisation IMO.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on May 9, 2024 21:32:21 GMT
Am I the only one whose brain keeps screaming “that’s Colin baker in drag” whenever Jinksx is on screen?
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Post by sherlock on May 10, 2024 9:04:59 GMT
Podcast line-up has been revamped:
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Post by timleschild on May 10, 2024 9:33:27 GMT
Podcast line-up has been revamped: No Juno Dawson. That's a shame. Maybe she's too busy, hopefully writing an episode of the show.
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Post by shallacatop on May 10, 2024 10:20:06 GMT
Can't say I'm disappointed to see a revamp in the hosts. The 3 for the 60th were really flat; they're too heavily guided by RTD's questions and they don't inspire any discussion from the hosts and none of them really seem to stand out. Christel Dee's interest in Who doesn't seem to stretch beyond Tennant or pretending to be interest in whatever she's being paid to do. Tyrell Charles seems to be hired based on his background in content creation and his view of Who seems to have been formed by being given a greatest episodes list the week before recording. Juno Dawson I think is too close to the franchise in the work she does to actually add any value; she's very restrained.
That's not to say I want a group of die hard fans hosting the podcast and constantly spouting references or hating on each episode; those already exist and they're insufferable. But I think the podcast needs to be a true companion to the show and present something of meaning and interest. I wish the new hosts the best and hope the format has seen a similar shake up.
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Post by timleschild on May 10, 2024 10:50:45 GMT
Can't say I'm disappointed to see a revamp in the hosts. The 3 for the 60th were really flat; they're too heavily guided by RTD's questions and they don't inspire any discussion from the hosts and none of them really seem to stand out. Christel Dee's interest in Who doesn't seem to stretch beyond Tennant or pretending to be interest in whatever she's being paid to do. Tyrell Charles seems to be hired based on his background in content creation and his view of Who seems to have been formed by being given a greatest episodes list the week before recording. Juno Dawson I think is too close to the franchise in the work she does to actually add any value; she's very restrained. That's not to say I want a group of die hard fans hosting the podcast and constantly spouting references or hating on each episode; those already exist and they're insufferable. But I think the podcast needs to be a true companion to the show and present something of meaning and interest. I wish the new hosts the best and hope the format has seen a similar shake up. I can't disagree but this will always be more a marketing tool, more official content, rather than a real podcast.
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Post by shallacatop on May 10, 2024 11:06:28 GMT
Can't say I'm disappointed to see a revamp in the hosts. The 3 for the 60th were really flat; they're too heavily guided by RTD's questions and they don't inspire any discussion from the hosts and none of them really seem to stand out. Christel Dee's interest in Who doesn't seem to stretch beyond Tennant or pretending to be interest in whatever she's being paid to do. Tyrell Charles seems to be hired based on his background in content creation and his view of Who seems to have been formed by being given a greatest episodes list the week before recording. Juno Dawson I think is too close to the franchise in the work she does to actually add any value; she's very restrained. That's not to say I want a group of die hard fans hosting the podcast and constantly spouting references or hating on each episode; those already exist and they're insufferable. But I think the podcast needs to be a true companion to the show and present something of meaning and interest. I wish the new hosts the best and hope the format has seen a similar shake up. I can't disagree but this will always be more a marketing tool, more official content, rather than a real podcast. I don’t think there’s an issue with that, it just needs to be different to what we get in Unleashed. For my criticism of Christel Dee above, the fan show that was released alongside Series 10 ticked the right boxes for the most part. I also like the Star Wars Databank releases that coincide with the release of animated episodes; that type of format as a podcast would work too. Or for a direct companion show podcast comparison; Inside… Inside No. 9 is unparalleled. It’s not got to be any way critical, but it should be informative and inspire discussion. Otherwise it’s pointless because there’s nothing to generate content or conversation from, making it a redundant marketing tool.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on May 10, 2024 12:13:33 GMT
Ok.. 2 mates of mine who aren't even casual Who fans are sending me vids they have taken from their homes, the adverts etc . I am starting to feel the hype.. There is a lot riding with the Disney DNA fingerprint.. My Very soon to be 8 year old boy is getting excited, he is aware he has seen 3 regenerations, wherein when I was his age I only saw one - 4th to 5th..
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2024 13:05:01 GMT
Ok.. 2 mates of mine who aren't even casual Who fans are sending me vids they have taken from their homes, the adverts etc . I am starting to feel the hype.. There is a lot riding with the Disney DNA fingerprint..
My Very soon to be 8 year old boy is getting excited, he is aware he has seen 3 regenerations, wherein when I was his age I only saw one - 4th to 5th.. It's a BBC show run by RTF tho. Disney can send notes - as the CBC did when they co-funded the first RTD era (no-one mentions this as the CBC aren't a big name like Disney..) Some of the worst of fandom are selling this as "Disney Who" to criticise it for being "woke" and the likes so I'd try and not inadvertantly align with those reactionaries, myself.
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Post by timleschild on May 10, 2024 13:08:58 GMT
Ok.. 2 mates of mine who aren't even casual Who fans are sending me vids they have taken from their homes, the adverts etc . I am starting to feel the hype.. There is a lot riding with the Disney DNA fingerprint..
My Very soon to be 8 year old boy is getting excited, he is aware he has seen 3 regenerations, wherein when I was his age I only saw one - 4th to 5th.. It's a BBC show run by RTF tho. Disney can send notes - as the CBC did when they co-funded the first RTD era (no-one mentions this as the CBC aren't a big name like Disney..) Some of the worst of fandom are selling this as "Disney Who" to criticise it for being "woke" and the likes so I'd try and not inadvertantly align with those reactionaries, myself. I thought the CBC deal was purely financial, they got on-screen credit as co-producers because they were basically paying in advance for screening rights.
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Post by shutupbanks on May 10, 2024 13:37:38 GMT
Ok.. 2 mates of mine who aren't even casual Who fans are sending me vids they have taken from their homes, the adverts etc . I am starting to feel the hype.. There is a lot riding with the Disney DNA fingerprint..
My Very soon to be 8 year old boy is getting excited, he is aware he has seen 3 regenerations, wherein when I was his age I only saw one - 4th to 5th.. It's a BBC show run by RTF tho. Disney can send notes - as the CBC did when they co-funded the first RTD era (no-one mentions this as the CBC aren't a big name like Disney..) Some of the worst of fandom are selling this as "Disney Who" to criticise it for being "woke" and the likes so I'd try and not inadvertantly align with those reactionaries, myself. I’m one of those folks who has been concerned about the Disney deal, but my worries are more about how it’s going to be viewed by people outside the UK who don’t have access to a streaming service, or who would like to buy physical media. The “wokeness” is a feature of storytelling that reflects the time it was made - I’m still having arguments with people who complain that Trek has gone “woke.”
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Post by shallacatop on May 10, 2024 14:28:46 GMT
I interpreted Aussie’s post as that there’s been a hell of a lot of promotion in the Disney+ territories and people are noticing. Nothing about the contents of the show. The investment on marketing the show on their side will hopefully transform into viewers, which is what a lot is “riding on”.
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