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Post by timleschild on Jul 17, 2024 12:51:53 GMT
The Millie waxwork will probably be a better actress. Ya' really think that, or just going for the joke? I thought she did much better with what she was given than Billie Piper did. Honestly I think Billie Piper was probably the worst companion of New Who, at least in terms of acting -- I'm really glad she was cast in the the anniversary special because she's so, so, so much better as The Moment than she ever was as Rose. Millie Gibson, meanwhile, has never failed to do justice to a scene or line -- though I did kind of have to laugh at how she spent almost one entire episode lying down on the set's floor. I've certainly had my issues with this season's writing, but the acting has seemed to me to be absolutely stellar -- some of the best the show's ever had. I do. Didn't help that her character was so badly written without a personality, other than being a 'foundling'. Entirely forgettable character. The relationship between her & the Doctor was non-existent no matter how hard they tried to create chemistry.
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Post by timleschild on Jul 17, 2024 12:54:22 GMT
. And hey, RTD can always retcon things and act like he had a bigger plan after Empire Of Death ended up pretty unpopular. That’s the one thing he can’t do as Season 2 is already more or less done, so he’s committed to whatever direction he had in mind originally. Maybe in season 3, if we get it.
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Post by Kestrel on Jul 17, 2024 13:08:44 GMT
I do. Didn't help that her character was so badly written without a personality, other than being a 'foundling'. Entirely forgettable character. The relationship between her & the Doctor was non-existent no matter how hard they tried to create chemistry. I thought she did quite well in '73 Yards,' playing a range of different emotions, in a range of different scenarios. But I can certainly empathize with your perspective: personally I find I often have difficult differentiating acting quality from writing quality (I find the latter far easier to recognize and appreciate than the former) so I'm never *too* confident in my assessments of acting quality. (Which is why I want to emphasize that my prior comment was angled more at praising Billie Piper's improvement -- I adore her in 'Day of the Doctor' rather than criticizing her earlier work.) I do think it is interesting just how varied our interpretations of the various companions can be. God knows that even my absolute, bottom-tier, least-like companion has their own fans, though I doubt I'll ever be able to fathom why. EDIT: You know, if you really don't think much of Millie Gibson's acting, should you be praising her for her performance in 'Boom'? A real tour de force there, eh?
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Post by sherlock on Jul 17, 2024 13:17:19 GMT
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Post by timleschild on Jul 17, 2024 13:30:10 GMT
I do. Didn't help that her character was so badly written without a personality, other than being a 'foundling'. Entirely forgettable character. The relationship between her & the Doctor was non-existent no matter how hard they tried to create chemistry. I thought she did quite well in '73 Yards,' playing a range of different emotions, in a range of different scenarios. But I can certainly empathize with your perspective: personally I find I often have difficult differentiating acting quality from writing quality (I find the latter far easier to recognize and appreciate than the former) so I'm never *too* confident in my assessments of acting quality. (Which is why I want to emphasize that my prior comment was angled more at praising Billie Piper's improvement -- I adore her in 'Day of the Doctor' rather than criticizing her earlier work.) I do think it is interesting just how varied our interpretations of the various companions can be. God knows that even my absolute, bottom-tier, least-like companion has their own fans, though I doubt I'll ever be able to fathom why. EDIT: You know, if you really don't think much of Millie Gibson's acting, should you be praising her for her performance in 'Boom'? A real tour de force there, eh? She was ok in both 73 Yards & Boom, rare examples of good writing in this season, it helped. But other than that, really bad. Worst companion of Nu Who.
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Post by timleschild on Jul 17, 2024 13:35:40 GMT
"Noises that it may not last beyond its initial two seasons are already reverberating around international TV circles, and one source close to the production tells us that they feel its future hangs in the balance already. Disney, the BBC, and co-producers BBC Studios and Bad Wolf all declined Deadline’s interview requests for this article."
If Disney do not renew for s3 the show is probably dead. Not with a bang but with a whimper. What an ignominious way to go.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2024 13:37:55 GMT
Literally nothing new then. RTD said we're waiting on renewal news. The spinoff has been staffing up for weeks with an August-September start depending on roles advertised. And some BS. Why would Disney care about UK ratings at all, never mind closely, when it's the only market that they don't have a penny of investment in?
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Post by mark687 on Jul 17, 2024 13:42:00 GMT
The apparent hack was interesting cheap in terms of spend (so that's 2 full series filmed and cash left over for potential mini series filming over Autumn) but has also resulted in "right amount of new subscribers" to D+)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2024 13:42:35 GMT
"Noises that it may not last beyond its initial two seasons are already reverberating around international TV circles, and one source close to the production tells us that they feel its future hangs in the balance already. Disney, the BBC, and co-producers BBC Studios and Bad Wolf all declined Deadline’s interview requests for this article."
If Disney do not renew for s3 the show is probably dead. Not with a bang but with a whimper. What an ignominious way to go. I can't imagine how happy that would make you. Negativity ALL the time. Yet...you never really talk about anything in any depth whatsoever. Just "Awful". "Worst ever". The kind of things you can just say without actually listening to a single BF story, or watching the show on TV. You could almost be, I dunno, a fraud who's only here to annoy people with trolling and who doesn't care about Doctor Who and probably listens to one BF a year but who likes to annoy people. Almost! Anyone so relentlessly downbeat should see a doctor. Now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2024 13:44:53 GMT
Thanks for sharing. That's a very interesting read, although I would take issue with DWM Editor Jason Quinn's parting sentence. In a bid to sound upbeat about the current state of the show and its future, he points out that, “When Doctor Who came back in ’05 having been off air since the late ’80s it wasn’t a massive overnight success and there wasn’t Doctor Who mania immediately.”
I'd say there pretty much was. Unexpectedly high ratings from Rose onwards, a rapidly comissioned Christmas Special, a rush of merchandise and people were talking about it. From Billie's acting being a revelation to Chris's departure, from the redesigned Daleks to the possibility of other returnees, media articles and (possibly more importantly) word of mouth was more positive than I remember Doctor Who being. Yes, the ratings hit a peak with Voyage of the Damned and The Stolen Earth, but it caused a storm from the get-go in 2005 and it's unfair to suggest otherwise.
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Post by timleschild on Jul 17, 2024 13:52:36 GMT
Thanks for sharing. That's a very interesting read, although I would take issue with DWM Editor Jason Quinn's parting sentence. In a bid to sound upbeat about the current state of the show and its future, he points out that, “When Doctor Who came back in ’05 having been off air since the late ’80s it wasn’t a massive overnight success and there wasn’t Doctor Who mania immediately.”
I'd say there pretty much was. Unexpectedly high ratings from Rose onwards, a rapidly comissioned Christmas Special, a rush of merchandise and people were talking about it. From Billie's acting being a revelation to Chris's departure, from the redesigned Daleks to the possibility of other returnees, media articles and (possibly more importantly) word of mouth was more positive than I remember Doctor Who being. Yes, the ratings hit a peak with Voyage of the Damned and The Stolen Earth, but it caused a storm from the get-go in 2005 and it's unfair to suggest otherwise.
Yes, very unfair of Quinn to try to claim it wasn't an overnight success. Rose was viewed by 10.81 million viewers in the UK, making it the most viewed Doctor Who episode since The Creature from the Pit in 1979! He needs to go back & take heed of the Doctor's words, "you can't rewrite history! Not one line!"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2024 14:08:23 GMT
It's not worth the read.
Deadline still talking about the long debunked the £10m-an-ep figure, which we know is about £7mill from accounts, RTD even confirmed this.
They also say the Snowman scene in Ruby Road was "rumoured" to be a Disney note....umm...Russell SAID it was and he liked the idea of getting something a bit more action-y for The Doctor in early. He said that on the bloody commentary! They're just doom-mongering for clicks, none of this is new info, not one line. And some like the 10mill is made up and using fan rumours from over a year ago.
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Post by shallacatop on Jul 17, 2024 14:19:19 GMT
I think we will get another renewal. It must be one of the cheaper investments for Disney’s “Originals” brand given they don’t own it outright and the hack leaks seemed to suggest the same.
Whether that investment will be another two series and spin-offs remains to be seen. I’d be inclined to think Disney will just renew for a season three for now, with The War Between the Land and the Sea being intended as a one-off with an open ended ending. So if it gets renewed great, if it doesn’t we’re not left hanging.
SDCC later this month may tell us more. D23 in August if not. I can’t see them waiting for a renewal further than that, as season three will need to start filming in the new year; waiting between TWBTLATS to wrap and S3 to start leaves no time at all.
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Post by dasmaniac on Jul 17, 2024 22:10:24 GMT
I agree that starting the season off with a stinker like Space Babies was such a huge mistake. I think that the panic over the show's viewership numbers is silly. Give it time to grow.
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Post by mark687 on Jul 17, 2024 23:07:10 GMT
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Post by timleschild on Jul 17, 2024 23:35:19 GMT
I agree that starting the season off with a stinker like Space Babies was such a huge mistake. I think that the panic over the show's viewership numbers is silly. Give it time to grow. Do we have time?
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Post by timleschild on Jul 17, 2024 23:37:00 GMT
Hopefully someone will ask them about season 3.
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Post by timleschild on Jul 18, 2024 10:59:19 GMT
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Post by fitzoliverj on Jul 18, 2024 15:37:12 GMT
[ her character was so badly written without a personality, other than being a 'foundling'. Entirely forgettable character. I agree with that, but her execution of this not-very-well-thought-out role is excellent. They gave her nothing but she makes it into something. Now, Ncuti's waxwork, that's different. I reckon it could fill in for him far, far better than Tom Baker's did on that garden photoshoot.
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Post by timleschild on Jul 18, 2024 17:38:49 GMT
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