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Post by mark687 on Apr 4, 2024 15:07:49 GMT
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Post by sherlock on Apr 4, 2024 15:18:16 GMT
Doesn’t this status quo undermine her ending quite significantly? (Assuming it is a status quo for the range and not just a one-and-done for the boxset).
Personally I didn’t feel their previous dabbling in River’s post-Library life in Firewall was all that memorable and the announcement here doesn’t really make clear what this opportunity will enable them to do with her character, so going to wait on reviews I think. Nice to know Kingston is enjoying them so much though.
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Post by nardolespinoffwhen on Apr 4, 2024 15:22:08 GMT
Doesn’t this status quo undermine her ending quite significantly? (Assuming it is a status quo for the range and not just a one-and-done for the boxset). Personally I didn’t feel their previous dabbling in River’s post-Library life in Firewall was all that memorable and the announcement here doesn’t really make clear what this opportunity will enable them to do with her character, so going to wait on reviews I think. Nice to know Kingston is enjoying them so much though. I feel the same. I didn't think that previous post library story was that great that you could do a three box set range out of it (if that's what this is). The premise of this first set isn't gripping me but Rob Valentine is a cracking writer and further details may sway me. Right now though, this is an easy skip.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 4, 2024 15:27:55 GMT
I agree with the above comments. Chuffed to get more River and will be buying, but this feels more like wanting to reboot the range and picking a placement that will allow them to forge forward with a new era. The issue is they’ve picked a gap which doesn’t quite work, and omit that River is such a flexible character they can do that at any point during her living timeline.
Nice that one writer is penning the full set and that we can still get four stories. The bundles are also attractively priced too.
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Post by jacobz40 on Apr 4, 2024 15:58:29 GMT
I agree with the above comments. Chuffed to get more River and will be buying, but this feels more like wanting to reboot the range and picking a placement that will allow them to forge forward with a new era. The issue is they’ve picked a gap which doesn’t quite work, and omit that River is such a flexible character they can do that at any point during her living timeline. Nice that one writer is penning the full set and that we can still get four stories. The bundles are also attractively priced too. My sentiments to a T.
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Post by timleschild on Apr 4, 2024 16:04:41 GMT
I agree with what has been said. BF pointlessly undermining the emotional ending of River Song in the TV show. They do not care at this point do they?
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Post by adnand on Apr 4, 2024 17:14:26 GMT
The story must be really bloody good to justify messing with River's final end like this.
Robert Valentine is an amazing writer as well, so an entire set to himself should be good. gonna wait and see for more story details.
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Post by cwm on Apr 4, 2024 19:22:54 GMT
I would point out Moffat himself significantly revised River's ending twice on television, including an appearance chronologically set after Library.
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Post by shallacatop on Apr 4, 2024 19:40:18 GMT
I would point out Moffat himself significantly revised River's ending twice on television, including an appearance chronologically set after Library. Not really sure they’re comparable. Bringing her back in The Name of the Doctor post-Library served a few purposes. The first being it was linked to the dream-esque conference call. The second that her recalling what the Doctor did to give her “life” post-Library is what encourages Clara to jump into his time stream. And lastly, it was that extra bit of closure for both the Doctor and River that they never got due to their conflicting timelines. Effectively a one-off that served the story at hand and them as characters. The Death and Life of River Song is the creation of a new range featuring River post-Library seemingly without any particular reason. It could be that they’re not all post-Library, but the name of the range suggests that it’ll be commonplace, and the article doesn’t justify why they’ve done this. So far, it just comes across as them wanting to reboot the range, which is fine in itself, but to try and differentiate it they’ve made a decision to place them post-Library for no particular reason. It could emerge that there’s a perfectly reasonable justification for it, but given the omission in the news article, and the fact they’ve already done this in Firewall, I’d assume not. I’m not inherently against post-Library stories, as I’ve justified The Name of the Doctor above, and it’s clear that she does go on to live a life as shown in Forest of the Dead, but it needs a bloody good reason to do so. This isn’t it. At least not currently.
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Post by 20fridge on Apr 4, 2024 19:57:12 GMT
I'm hoping they chose this time in her life (or afterlife) because the story wouldn't work any earlier. I can't for the life of me begin to guess what that could be. Since I've enjoyed every boxset from The Diary of River Song (though one or two episodes have been lackluster), I'm here for this.
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Post by theillusiveman on Apr 5, 2024 6:43:07 GMT
Honestly I saw it coming when Vol 10 was announced Honestly not sure what the point is as they could have very easily continued with the diary of river song range as there was heaps of unexplored character journeys for River for example her having adventures with her grandfather Brian Williams (Mark Williams did work for big finish in the past) Or even stories with Rory exploring the father daughter dynamic
I mean what can they really do with the reboot anyway unless it’s a set up for her to meet future doctors beyond Capaldi (if that’s the case good luck I ain’t buying a 13/River Boxset under any circumstances)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2024 7:51:39 GMT
Nick Briggs has said in the past that ongoing ranges, no matter how acclaimed they are, are subject to diminishing returns. Sales drop off after a time.
Perhaps BF are doing with River similar to what they're doing with the War Doctor and essentially continuing the range but tweaking things slightly as part of a soft relaunch? Keeping the interest by making things appear new?
As for breaking with the continuity of River's meetings with the Doctor - it won't be the first time established continuity in the show has been thrown to the (time) winds! Look how many origin stories The Daleks have had, for example. It all depends on how much we enjoy the actual stories, I think.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Apr 5, 2024 12:27:22 GMT
So I just did a price check. Just to buy #1 works out to AUST $78.69.
That's an increase of easily $10-$20 straight up..
So it will be cheaper overall to bundle pre order even without knowing any information about the future releases.
HHMM..
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Post by Alastair on Apr 5, 2024 20:53:28 GMT
They didn’t explicitly use the term “writer-led” this time, but for me, giving Robert Valentine a full four hours overshadows any personal reservations about the premise.
We know Valentine can work wonders with a full box set (he made something really rather special with He Who Fights with Monsters) and of course, the River range hit an all-time high last time they entrusted a set to a single author.
I’m keen to see where they go with this.
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Post by timleschild on Apr 6, 2024 8:49:50 GMT
So because sales drop off for a range BFs solution is to carry on the range under a different title. Not think maybe this concept has come to its natural endpoint.
Also the difference with this when compared to different origins for the Daleks as an example mentioned is that River's end had an emotional resonance now under cut by her just coming back in another body. She's bound to end up meeting Doctors & other well known characters again, BF can't help themselves.
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Post by fitzoliverj on Apr 6, 2024 9:01:47 GMT
River's end had an emotional resonance now under cut by her just coming back in another body. She's bound to end up meeting Doctors & other well known characters again, BF can't help themselves.
I dunno, I wouldn't put it past RTD to consider doing something similar on TV
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Post by timleschild on Apr 6, 2024 9:58:43 GMT
River's end had an emotional resonance now under cut by her just coming back in another body. She's bound to end up meeting Doctors & other well known characters again, BF can't help themselves.
I dunno, I wouldn't put it past RTD to consider doing something similar on TV
Given his obsession with David Tennant & what he did with 10th Doctor I agree with you.
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Post by noneofyourbusiness on Apr 6, 2024 14:46:01 GMT
I have no investment in River remaining dead or belief that that her having an ending is better than her living on.
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Post by timleschild on Apr 6, 2024 15:07:17 GMT
I have no investment in River remaining dead or belief that that her having an ending is better than her living on. OK
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Post by cwm on Apr 6, 2024 18:35:46 GMT
So because sales drop off for a range BFs solution is to carry on the range under a different title. Not think maybe this concept has come to its natural endpoint. Is there any evidence that sales had dropped off for the range?
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