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Post by mark687 on Jun 20, 2024 13:37:30 GMT
I think the implication that's been taken from your Posts is that you want ideal policy's/politicians (and while that's the thing to strive for), we'll never get it, so there. Regards mark687 Well people are taking the wrong implication from my posts, "so there". Sorry so respectfully by highlighting the fact in your Posts that all Parties have made bad decisions what point were you trying to make? Regards mark687
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 20, 2024 13:53:03 GMT
I'm that rare thing, a Conservative voter who supports PR or at least a more PR-ish system. Although not STV specifically. I prefer one of the single vote systems where you still vote for one specific candidate, but seats are large and multi-member so the top 2 or 3 (say) candidates get returned as MPs for that seat. The larger parties would get broad national coverage of MPs returned, parties local to & popular in one area would get MPs returned from that area even though their national share of the vote might be very small.
We actually used to have that in some parts of the UK. It gives smaller parties a foot in the door but avoids the fragmented assemblies seen in some countries with 'pure' PR. And the counting is quick and obvious.
The main argument against PR is very simple and can be summed up in 2 words - Nigel Farage I'd argue that Farage SHOULD have been elected via PR-STV. And then the public would see that his attendance and behaviour would mirror his MEP duties that he so diligently attended to.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 20, 2024 14:18:42 GMT
Well people are taking the wrong implication from my posts, "so there". Sorry so respectfully by highlighting the fact in your Posts that all Parties have made bad decisions what point were you trying to make? Regards mark687 I didn't highlight that.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 20, 2024 14:26:26 GMT
Sorry so respectfully by highlighting the fact in your Posts that all Parties have made bad decisions what point were you trying to make? Regards mark687 I didn't highlight that. Fine apologies for my assumption Regards mark687
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Post by number13 on Jun 20, 2024 15:06:59 GMT
And we were having such an entertainingly non-partisan thread. So, just a reminder of what someone said upthread about the last time 'the other lot' won... so what? That if we'd been on this thread in 1997, you'd presumably have been just as anxious to see 'this lot' gone as you are now.
But, to quote a great scientist and logician, 'you may find that "having" is not so satisfying a thing as "wanting". It is not logical, but it is often true.' *
* Spock, of Vulcan.
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 20, 2024 15:11:56 GMT
That if we'd been on this thread in 1997, you'd presumably have been just as anxious to see 'this lot' gone as you are now.
But, to quote a great scientist and logician, 'you may find that "having" is not so satisfying a thing as "wanting". It is not logical, but it is often true.' *
* Spock, of Vulcan.
For some people, saying "Bah humbug" to everything is the most satisfying of all . . .
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Post by timleschild on Jun 20, 2024 15:42:42 GMT
That if we'd been on this thread in 1997, you'd presumably have been just as anxious to see 'this lot' gone as you are now.
But, to quote a great scientist and logician, 'you may find that "having" is not so satisfying a thing as "wanting". It is not logical, but it is often true.' *
* Spock, of Vulcan.
Yes, the end of the tories I wanted them gone in 1997.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Jun 22, 2024 19:09:10 GMT
Well well well, look what we have here. Rich boy went and pulled the trigger.
Okay, so political threads ain't my cuppa, so I'll instead share something of grander substance. Ever wonder why so much of the advice the Tories have gotten on almost every policy in recent years is so bad and tone deaf? Why anyone thought Truss' minibudget would work? Or why Question Time seems to have these random 'data analysts' and 'economists' you've never heard of yet basically talk like government PR? Look up 55 Tufton Street - the thinktanks in there and the Tory party post Cameron have an... interesting history.
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Post by number13 on Jun 22, 2024 21:56:49 GMT
Well well well, look what we have here. Rich boy went and pulled the trigger. Okay, so political threads ain't my cuppa, so I'll instead share something of grander substance. Ever wonder why so much of the advice the Tories have gotten on almost every policy in recent years is so bad and tone deaf? Why anyone thought Truss' minibudget would work? Or why Question Time seems to have these random 'data analysts' and 'economists' you've never heard of yet basically talk like government PR? Look up 55 Tufton Street - the thinktanks in there and the Tory party post Cameron have an... interesting history. EDIT: No, on third thoughts I can't be bothered here either. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6343532/images/IwGTjEvWiMqDCgEk5m52.gif)
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Post by timleschild on Jun 25, 2024 10:40:14 GMT
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Post by lidar2 on Jun 27, 2024 8:00:13 GMT
Dear me, the 2024 Tory campaign is going to go down in history as the most inept, disaster prone campaign ever. Between the rain in Downing Street, D-Day commemoration, Scottish leader resigning and the betting scandal, it will be the benchmark of a bad campaign, the one to which all future bad campaigns will be compared. In every future election, the pundits will be saying of parties' campaigns "Almost as bad [or worse than] as the Conservative's 2024 campaign"
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Post by shallacatop on Jun 27, 2024 8:33:45 GMT
Dear me, the 2024 Tory campaign is going to go down in history as the most inept, disaster prone campaign ever. Between the rain in Downing Street, D-Day commemoration, Scottish leader resigning and the betting scandal, it will be the benchmark of a bad campaign, the one to which all future bad campaigns will be compared. In every future election, the pundits will be saying of parties' campaigns "Almost as bad [or worse than] as the Conservative's 2024 campaign" Not to mention waging war against TV’s Doctor Who!
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Post by timleschild on Jun 27, 2024 9:50:14 GMT
Dear me, the 2024 Tory campaign is going to go down in history as the most inept, disaster prone campaign ever. Between the rain in Downing Street, D-Day commemoration, Scottish leader resigning and the betting scandal, it will be the benchmark of a bad campaign, the one to which all future bad campaigns will be compared. In every future election, the pundits will be saying of parties' campaigns "Almost as bad [or worse than] as the Conservative's 2024 campaign" Not to mention waging war against TV’s Doctor Who! They said something about Ncuti?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2024 10:22:44 GMT
Just one week and this whole appalling circus will be over.
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Post by mark687 on Jun 27, 2024 12:46:57 GMT
Just one week and this whole appalling circus will be over. Well the Election part will be at least. Regards mark687
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Post by charlesuirdhein on Jun 27, 2024 13:35:07 GMT
Not to mention waging war against TV’s Doctor Who! They said something about Ncuti? Possibly the Tennant v Badenoch spat. In which I am thoroughly in accord with Tennant's sentiments but wish he'd had a publicist review his speech before saying it and left out the ad hominem and commented on the policies of the Government and their offices rather than Kemi Badenoch herself.
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Post by sherlock on Jun 27, 2024 13:39:30 GMT
Tennant has another Doctor in his corner:
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Post by sherlock on Jun 27, 2024 13:43:22 GMT
Dear me, the 2024 Tory campaign is going to go down in history as the most inept, disaster prone campaign ever. Between the rain in Downing Street, D-Day commemoration, Scottish leader resigning and the betting scandal, it will be the benchmark of a bad campaign, the one to which all future bad campaigns will be compared. In every future election, the pundits will be saying of parties' campaigns "Almost as bad [or worse than] as the Conservative's 2024 campaign" And it’s baffling as they had all the advantage here. The timing of the campaign was entirely in their hands and yet they seem completely unprepared and undisciplined. It’s bafflingly bad.
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Post by timleschild on Jun 27, 2024 14:47:43 GMT
They said something about Ncuti? Possibly the Tennant v Badenoch spat. In which I am thoroughly in accord with Tennant's sentiments but wish he'd had a publicist review his speech before saying it and left out the ad hominem and commented on the policies of the Government and their offices rather than Kemi Badenoch herself. Thanks, I read up on it after I posted!
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Post by timleschild on Jun 27, 2024 14:48:31 GMT
Dear me, the 2024 Tory campaign is going to go down in history as the most inept, disaster prone campaign ever. Between the rain in Downing Street, D-Day commemoration, Scottish leader resigning and the betting scandal, it will be the benchmark of a bad campaign, the one to which all future bad campaigns will be compared. In every future election, the pundits will be saying of parties' campaigns "Almost as bad [or worse than] as the Conservative's 2024 campaign" And it’s baffling as they had all the advantage here. The timing of the campaign was entirely in their hands and yet they seem completely unprepared and undisciplined. It’s bafflingly bad. Advantage? After 14 years of this crap there was never a good time for them to call a GE.
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