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Post by grazey on Feb 11, 2016 2:45:46 GMT
It's great to know big finish have at least asked. I still don't see the rush for some at the moment to get 11 on board now. They just got the licence for the nu series stuff. They have 2 new doctors start within 7 months of each other. Add on the 4 unit box sets the river song releases Churchill and the new monsters sets its not as if bf is going to be lacking in new series stuff for foreseeable future. All true but how many more units do you think BF will sell of 10th Doctor audios in relation to all the other new series projects? I'm willing to bet a lot more and how many more units do you think 11th Doctor audios will move in relation to all the other new series box sets? Do you pour resources into a Winston Churchill box set with a certain degree of limited appeal or do you pour those same resources into 11th Doctor audios? I do agree that the 11th doctor would no doubt sell more but however I do think you need a bit of a balance. It's nice to get variety and the Churchill style release to be different from what is being released from war 10 etc. Getting Matt on board would be great but with war and 10 just not long started I feel he kind of isn't needed right this second. We already have 2 new doctors to big finish. There really isn't any urgent need for Matt to start right this second. There is no rush personally I would let the war doctor series run its course in 2017 before even announcing him. Ok they may have other plans for war but it lets the hype over war and Tennant time to cool down and if there is no more war doctor there will be a gap available. It also gives him more of a gap between his farewell and his big finish debut. 26 months currently feels just far too soon for my liking.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 11, 2016 4:19:14 GMT
I honestly don't understand the we-already-have-two-new-Doctors-so-11-can-wait-a-couple-of-years mindset. We are talking about a finite period of time that BF has the license with no guarantees that it will be renewed in 2020. Do we really need to engage in some arbitrary cooling off period between Smith leaving the show and audio adventures produced by Big Finish featuring his Doctor? 25 months would be too soon? So 27 months would be too long? This is not meant as insult or a slight at all but who really cares? If BF were to announce 11th Doctor adventures tomorrow, I'd pre-order it tomorrow and be pretty happy to know if is coming. I'd also be pretty happy that 11th Doctor box sets would sit on the shelf with audio adventures featuring all the other Doctors and not a thought about if the time is right or if it is too soon.
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Post by omega on Feb 11, 2016 4:34:12 GMT
I honestly don't understand the we-already-have-two-new-Doctors-so-11-can-wait-a-couple-of-years mindset. We are talking about a finite period of time that BF has the license with no guarantees that it will be renewed in 2020. Do we really need to engage in some arbitrary cooling off period between Smith leaving the show and audio adventures produced by Big Finish featuring his Doctor? 25 months would be too soon? So 27 months would be too long? This is not meant as insult or a slight at all but who really cares? If BF were to announce 11th Doctor adventures tomorrow, I'd pre-order it tomorrow and be pretty happy to know if is coming. I'd also be pretty happy that 11th Doctor box sets would sit on the shelf with audio adventures featuring all the other Doctors and not a thought about if the time is right or if it is too soon. I'd rather we get all we can out of the older actors while they are still with us. People like William Russell and Tom Baker aren't as young as they used to be.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 11, 2016 4:44:45 GMT
I honestly don't understand the we-already-have-two-new-Doctors-so-11-can-wait-a-couple-of-years mindset. We are talking about a finite period of time that BF has the license with no guarantees that it will be renewed in 2020. Do we really need to engage in some arbitrary cooling off period between Smith leaving the show and audio adventures produced by Big Finish featuring his Doctor? 25 months would be too soon? So 27 months would be too long? This is not meant as insult or a slight at all but who really cares? If BF were to announce 11th Doctor adventures tomorrow, I'd pre-order it tomorrow and be pretty happy to know if is coming. I'd also be pretty happy that 11th Doctor box sets would sit on the shelf with audio adventures featuring all the other Doctors and not a thought about if the time is right or if it is too soon. I'd rather we get all we can out of the older actors while they are still with us. People like William Russell and Tom Baker aren't as young as they used to be. And I don't see how one distracts from the other. We know Tom Baker is recording a long way out. There will be no shortage of 4th Doctor adventures for quite some time. It certainly appears like BF is maintaining a commitment to all eras of the show. Again, how long is too long and who determines that?
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 11, 2016 4:55:52 GMT
I honestly don't understand the we-already-have-two-new-Doctors-so-11-can-wait-a-couple-of-years mindset. We are talking about a finite period of time that BF has the license with no guarantees that it will be renewed in 2020. Do we really need to engage in some arbitrary cooling off period between Smith leaving the show and audio adventures produced by Big Finish featuring his Doctor? 25 months would be too soon? So 27 months would be too long? This is not meant as insult or a slight at all but who really cares? If BF were to announce 11th Doctor adventures tomorrow, I'd pre-order it tomorrow and be pretty happy to know if is coming. I'd also be pretty happy that 11th Doctor box sets would sit on the shelf with audio adventures featuring all the other Doctors and not a thought about if the time is right or if it is too soon. People like William Russell and Tom Baker aren't as young as they used to be. Well, technically, neither is Matt Smith.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 6:29:03 GMT
The War Doctor was nothing to do with CE. they could have got McGann in, the fans would have loved it. That McGann was available does not change the fact that Hurt was a replacement for Eccleston. Had Chris agreed to do Day of the Doctor, there would be no War Doctor. I can see why McGann wasn't chosen. He was, at that point, largely known as the Doctor from the failed Telemovie (who might have been American, and possibly noncanon, depending on whom you asked.) However much fans of the expanded universe loved him, the larger public wouldn't have had any particular reason to be excited, beyond "He's a Doctor we haven't seen much of." The Ninth Doctor has the significance of being the first New Series Doctor, whereas the Eighth Doctor is neither of the New Series nor the Classic one. It was much better, from a promotional standpoint, to create a Doctor entirely bound up in the Time War, with the allure of mystery, who acts like a Classic Series Doctor, and can be attached to a very big name. I'd genuinely never heard of John Hurt, beyond him having been in Alien decades ago. McGann has his.own serious acting credentials and I happen to think McGann would have given a much more powerful performance. My main point though is that while Eccleston's absence meant Moffat did need to do something, the creation of the War Doctor was completely unnecessary and typical Moffat, more interested in his big gimmick than in telling a good story. But hey ho, each to their own.
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 11, 2016 8:50:05 GMT
Older and newer doctors ... they should not be mutually exclusive ...
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Feb 11, 2016 10:05:54 GMT
I'd genuinely never heard of John Hurt, beyond him having been in Alien decades ago. McGann has his.own serious acting credentials and I happen to think McGann would have given a much more powerful performance. My main point though is that while Eccleston's absence meant Moffat did need to do something, the creation of the War Doctor was completely unnecessary and typical Moffat, more interested in his big gimmick than in telling a good story. But hey ho, each to their own. That truly amazes me. One of the greatest actors of his generation. Go see The Naked Civil Servant post haste. You may look at the War Doctor as unnecessary, and that is your opinion but I look at it as a gift to Big Finish, For the first time since the 8th Doctor entered the monthly range, Big Finish has a whole new incarnation of The Doctor to explore from the ground up. And he is played by J-ohn Freaking Hurt! How lucky are we? Makes me want to go and watch The Day Of The Doctor yet again.
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Post by grazey on Feb 11, 2016 10:18:40 GMT
I honestly don't understand the we-already-have-two-new-Doctors-so-11-can-wait-a-couple-of-years mindset. We are talking about a finite period of time that BF has the license with no guarantees that it will be renewed in 2020. Do we really need to engage in some arbitrary cooling off period between Smith leaving the show and audio adventures produced by Big Finish featuring his Doctor? 25 months would be too soon? So 27 months would be too long? This is not meant as insult or a slight at all but who really cares? If BF were to announce 11th Doctor adventures tomorrow, I'd pre-order it tomorrow and be pretty happy to know if is coming. I'd also be pretty happy that 11th Doctor box sets would sit on the shelf with audio adventures featuring all the other Doctors and not a thought about if the time is right or if it is too soon. and I don't understand why we have to get Matt smith right this second. Are big finish really not going to get the licence beyond 2020? Considering how many times the licence has been renewed its pretty much a formality in my opinion. For a lot of people big finish is about the nostalgia. Where is the nostalgia of an era that ended 26 months ago? If you followed my idea of Matt not appearing till late 2017 it's almost 4 years after he left. At least that gives things time for people to get somewhat nostalgic about that era. If they did announce matt today what's the next big thing doctor who wise to announce for 2018-19 once the cooling off period comes to pass. Eccleston may not want to do it plus I dont think Billie piper coming back without 9 will be as big as they would like.Capaldi would feel too soon (if he does go next year) plus they don't have the licence for that yet.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 10:30:55 GMT
Yeah, I'm a big McGann fan. I've seen loads of things he's done that have never even seen broadcast in the UK like Fables of Forgotten Things and SOS: The Titanic Enquiry - he's one of my own favourite actors but he's not in the same league as John Hurt. Not a single classic series Doctor is, based purely on the success of Hurt's career. Just off the top of my head - big projects either critically or commercially he's been a key player in: Naked Civil Servant (and the sadly more obcscure sequel Englishman In New York), A Man For All Seasons, 10 Rillington Place, Midnight Express, Watership Down, The Elephant Man, Heaven's Gate, I Claudius, Crime And Punishment, The Alan Clarke Diaries, Nineteen Eighty-Four, Rob Roy, Harry Potter, V For Vendetta, Hellboy, The Proposition, Indiana Jones, the Harry Potter films, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy....there's a reason he got that knighthood for services to acting! Like I say, I adore McGann deeply, I'd put the degree at which I've followed his career against anyone else's on the forum, but even I wouldn't think of him as being "event" enough for the 50th. For me? 100%. For fandom? Yeah, sure, mostly. For the public? He's one of the Doctors people don't remember in pub quizzes I'm afraid. Not his fault, at all, but if Eccleston said no - then just using McGann wasn't a suitable substitute. We're insanely lucky to have Hurt as part of the show having had thing turn out the way they did. I think Moffat's genius was knowing that if he was casting a "Mayflower" Doctor, hidden from the past, then he had to get an icon who everyone would buy as being a Doctor, who would be famous enough to sell this "movie" on and who would be a contrast to the young, eager Tennant and Smith Doctors. It couldn't have worked getting, say, James Nesbitt, an often-talked about Doctor who is certainly a star but not (yet) a legend. When Hurt was cast it lent the whole concept an air of legitimacy that casting others wouldn't. Seeing this shot was one of the most astonishing moments in the 53 years of the show, for me. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 11:57:16 GMT
Older and newer doctors ... they should not be mutually exclusive ... Cheers Tony No, but Big Finish have limited capacity and the older doctors are, by definition, likely to be of a more limited lifespan. We could have 60 years of Matt Smith audios ahead of us - no need to rush.
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Post by acousticwolf on Feb 11, 2016 11:59:44 GMT
Older and newer doctors ... they should not be mutually exclusive ... Cheers Tony No, but Big Finish have limited capacity and the older doctors are, by definition, likely to be of a more limited lifespan. We could have 60 years of Matt Smith audios ahead of us - no need to rush. Try telling David Tennant that ... oh, but he didn't want to go Cheers Tony
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Post by jasonward on Feb 11, 2016 12:34:53 GMT
I honestly don't understand the we-already-have-two-new-Doctors-so-11-can-wait-a-couple-of-years mindset. We are talking about a finite period of time that BF has the license with no guarantees that it will be renewed in 2020. Do we really need to engage in some arbitrary cooling off period between Smith leaving the show and audio adventures produced by Big Finish featuring his Doctor? 25 months would be too soon? So 27 months would be too long? This is not meant as insult or a slight at all but who really cares? If BF were to announce 11th Doctor adventures tomorrow, I'd pre-order it tomorrow and be pretty happy to know if is coming. I'd also be pretty happy that 11th Doctor box sets would sit on the shelf with audio adventures featuring all the other Doctors and not a thought about if the time is right or if it is too soon. I'd rather we get all we can out of the older actors while they are still with us. People like William Russell and Tom Baker aren't as young as they used to be. Expending the releases to include more Doctors doesn't mean less of the older Doctors, I would estimate that with increase in audience that the new Doctors bring will also mean increased sales of the older Doctors.
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Post by jasonward on Feb 11, 2016 12:37:27 GMT
Older and newer doctors ... they should not be mutually exclusive ... Cheers Tony No, but Big Finish have limited capacity and the older doctors are, by definition, likely to be of a more limited lifespan. We could have 60 years of Matt Smith audios ahead of us - no need to rush. More opportunities means more sales means more resources.
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Post by randomjc on Feb 11, 2016 14:25:22 GMT
I'd genuinely never heard of John Hurt, beyond him having been in Alien decades ago. McGann has his.own serious acting credentials and I happen to think McGann would have given a much more powerful performance. I can't suggest enough you check out some of Hurt's films then. He's very good and has a very long varied carrier. Also, to point out how cool he is, his cameo in Spaceballs is pretty awesome.
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Post by randomjc on Feb 11, 2016 14:26:19 GMT
No, but Big Finish have limited capacity and the older doctors are, by definition, likely to be of a more limited lifespan. We could have 60 years of Matt Smith audios ahead of us - no need to rush. More opportunities means more sales means more resources. Problem of course is if they don't have the resources to exploit those opportunities.
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Post by bobod on Feb 11, 2016 14:57:04 GMT
I honestly don't understand the we-already-have-two-new-Doctors-so-11-can-wait-a-couple-of-years mindset. We are talking about a finite period of time that BF has the license with no guarantees that it will be renewed in 2020. Do we really need to engage in some arbitrary cooling off period between Smith leaving the show and audio adventures produced by Big Finish featuring his Doctor? 25 months would be too soon? So 27 months would be too long? This is not meant as insult or a slight at all but who really cares? If BF were to announce 11th Doctor adventures tomorrow, I'd pre-order it tomorrow and be pretty happy to know if is coming. I'd also be pretty happy that 11th Doctor box sets would sit on the shelf with audio adventures featuring all the other Doctors and not a thought about if the time is right or if it is too soon. I'd rather we get all we can out of the older actors while they are still with us. People like William Russell and Tom Baker aren't as young as they used to be. Big Finish are a business though. Matt Smith audios are going to sell a lot lot LOT more than the next lot of William Russell or Tom Baker audios.
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Post by mrperson on Feb 11, 2016 16:43:25 GMT
Older and newer doctors ... they should not be mutually exclusive ... Cheers Tony No, but Big Finish have limited capacity and the older doctors are, by definition, likely to be of a more limited lifespan. We could have 60 years of Matt Smith audios ahead of us - no need to rush. If they have the resources to recast Docs 1-3, I don't see how they don't have or can't make room for an actual living Doc (Smith). We also could just as easily not have 60 years of Smith, for any number of reasons. No need to wait, either.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 16:44:40 GMT
More opportunities means more sales means more resources. Problem of course is if they don't have the resources to exploit those opportunities. Exactly, and as soon as they start turning out below average scripts we crucify them for going too commercial and sacrificing quality for quantity. You can see they are trying to find new writers, directors etc. But until they expand their stable of people they can't make more product, no matter how much money they throw at it. So you do end up having to make choices, say for example do we do an early adventures style novel adaptation with William Russell or a special two-disc story with Matt Smith. Well you could do the latter any time, the same might not be true for the former.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 16:46:51 GMT
No, but Big Finish have limited capacity and the older doctors are, by definition, likely to be of a more limited lifespan. We could have 60 years of Matt Smith audios ahead of us - no need to rush. If they have the resources to recast Docs 1-3, I don't see how they don't have or can't make room for an actual living Doc (Smith). We also could just as easily not have 60 years of Smith, for any number of reasons. No need to wait, either. But they only do that to add to stories using existing classic era actors. These aren't more stories, just more voices in the same stories.
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