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Post by mrperson on Feb 12, 2016 16:24:06 GMT
Like the 12-regeneration limit, I think the Valeyard is one of those ideas that was floated without the later consequences having to be considered, for the simple real world reason that nobody imagined that the show would actually still be going by the time it became relevant again. But, against the odds, the show was eventually rebooted and the 12-regeneration limit had to be dealt with. The way it was dealt with was grant of a second regeneration cycle of indeterminate length ("How many lives did we give you?" - Hell Bent), which punts the issue of the Valeyard indefinitely.
I'd be surprised if the reboot touched it again.
_________________ (And regarding the prior posts: so long as they stuck with the 12-regeneration/13-body limit - and they did (Twin Dilemma & Azmael; Beavers' master, etc) - then there is no meaningful difference between "twelfth and thirteenth" vs. "twelth and final" no matter what the intent in changing the phrasing. This, for the simple reason that as long as the regeneration limit is in place, the thirteenth IS the final body.)
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Post by mrperson on Feb 12, 2016 16:25:28 GMT
I'm wondering if Moffat is going to try to squeeze in another incarnation before he goes. Either a quick two-episode Thirteenth Doctor or an early non-chronological appearance of a Series 10 Doctor. Maybe Capaldi will regenerate in the first or second half of the season finale rather than at Christmas? (The last two regenerations have been at Christmas/New Year's. Let's have something different.) I mean, I'd rather he stay into the Chibnall era (and then leave in Series 12 or so), but I reeeeally doubt it. It could cool to see a season premiere that features the incumbent Doctor losing and regenerating, only to spend the rest of the season trying to make up for it (or solve the mystery that led to his death). And hey if we're talking hopes, a multi-Doctor story? Maybe one of the two Christmas specials? I really want to see Capaldi not under Moffat...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2016 20:19:16 GMT
I really want to see Capaldi not under Moffat... I really don't want to see Capaldi under Moffat (where's that mind bleach)
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Post by constonks on Feb 12, 2016 22:42:06 GMT
I also want to see Capaldi as the Doctor during the reign of a different showrunner (there no mind bleach needed). I just don't expect it.
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Post by icecreamdf on Feb 13, 2016 6:39:42 GMT
I also want to see Capaldi as the Doctor during the reign of a different showrunner (there no mind bleach needed). I just don't expect it. I want to keep seeing Capaldi under the reign of any showrunner. I wish Moffat wasn't leaving so soon, but if he must leave, then I hope Capaldi stays on under Chibnall.
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Post by bobod on Feb 13, 2016 16:32:03 GMT
No, JNT specifically asked for the line to be changed from 'between your twelfth and thirteenth incarnations' so that there was ambiguity and leeway in the future. Well, the line never was changed. Yes it was. From 'thirteenth' to 'final'.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 21:32:02 GMT
I got a new prediction.
What if one of the two new writers is Matthew Sweet?
He's closely associated with Mark Gatiss, and he's already written a couple of Big Finish stories. Why couldn't he be the second new writer?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 21:38:43 GMT
I got a new prediction. What if one of the two new writers is Matthew Sweet? He's closely associated with Mark Gatiss, and he's already written a couple of Big Finish stories. Why couldn't he be the second new writer? Moffat was talking as if the general public would be blown away by the identity of the writers. I'm hoping more like J.K. Rowling/Stephen Fry territory.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 21:52:39 GMT
I got a new prediction. What if one of the two new writers is Matthew Sweet? He's closely associated with Mark Gatiss, and he's already written a couple of Big Finish stories. Why couldn't he be the second new writer? Moffat was talking as if the general public would be blown away by the identity of the writers. I'm hoping more like J.K. Rowling/Stephen Fry territory. I suppose. I looked at the article again, and Moffat said they're two writers who haven't written for Doctor Who before. So there's that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 21:53:19 GMT
I've seen one or two people suggest J.J. Abrams (You know, Fringe, Lost, Stars Wars) could be one of them.
But I've looked at his filmography for this year and the up and coming years, and I don't really think he would have too big of a window of opportunity to write Doctor Who episodes.
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Post by mrperson on Feb 14, 2016 0:30:32 GMT
I've seen one or two people suggest J.J. Abrams (You know, Fringe, Lost, Stars Wars) could be one of them. But I've looked at his filmography for this year and the up and coming years, and I don't really think he would have too big of a window of opportunity to write Doctor Who episodes. I don't know about him as a writer, but I really didn't like his take on Star Wars. The first "reboot"/prequel one, fine. Not great, but allright enough. The second one? Into Darkness? Typical action movie from my perspective, and that's just not my thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 9:51:50 GMT
I've seen one or two people suggest J.J. Abrams (You know, Fringe, Lost, Stars Wars) could be one of them. But I've looked at his filmography for this year and the up and coming years, and I don't really think he would have too big of a window of opportunity to write Doctor Who episodes. I don't know about him as a writer, but I really didn't like his take on Star Wars. The first "reboot"/prequel one, fine. Not great, but allright enough. The second one? Into Darkness? Typical action movie from my perspective, and that's just not my thing. Err... I think you're thinking of Star TREK. He only directed those films as far as I can remember.
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Post by mrperson on Feb 14, 2016 16:53:16 GMT
I don't know about him as a writer, but I really didn't like his take on Star Wars. The first "reboot"/prequel one, fine. Not great, but allright enough. The second one? Into Darkness? Typical action movie from my perspective, and that's just not my thing. Err... I think you're thinking of Star TREK. He only directed those films as far as I can remember. Indeed. Oops....
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 14, 2016 18:31:37 GMT
I've seen one or two people suggest J.J. Abrams (You know, Fringe, Lost, Stars Wars) could be one of them. But I've looked at his filmography for this year and the up and coming years, and I don't really think he would have too big of a window of opportunity to write Doctor Who episodes. Calling it now: JK Rowling. She has screenwriting experience now unlike when she was asked before.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 18:52:26 GMT
I've seen one or two people suggest J.J. Abrams (You know, Fringe, Lost, Stars Wars) could be one of them. But I've looked at his filmography for this year and the up and coming years, and I don't really think he would have too big of a window of opportunity to write Doctor Who episodes. Calling it now: JK Rowling. She has screenwriting experience now unlike when she was asked before. Does she? That's odd, because I haven't seen anything she's written for screen. The only screen writing "experience" she's had looks to be just having creative control over the Harry Potter film scripts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 19:48:58 GMT
Calling it now: JK Rowling. She has screenwriting experience now unlike when she was asked before. Does she? That's odd, because I haven't seen anything she's written for screen. The only screen writing "experience" she's had looks to be just having creative control over the Harry Potter film scripts. JK Rowling made her screenplay debut with the upcoming Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Feb 14, 2016 20:17:38 GMT
Does she? That's odd, because I haven't seen anything she's written for screen. The only screen writing "experience" she's had looks to be just having creative control over the Harry Potter film scripts. JK Rowling made her screenplay debut with the upcoming Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them.This (although it should be 'makes' as it hasn't been released yet). She has experience now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2016 22:53:39 GMT
I got it!
Armando Ianucci!
Armando Ianucci is one of the new writers!
It makes sense, because his work The Thick of It and Veep are widely known and praised, Ianucci himself has stated that he would like to write an episode. Oh, and it also looks like Steven Moffat and him admire each other's political views as well, so there's that addition of writers getting along well.
How have I not mentioned this before?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 26, 2016 23:01:46 GMT
I got it! Armando Ianucci! Armando Ianucci is one of the new writers! It makes sense, because his work The Thick of It and Veep are widely known and praised, Ianucci himself has stated that he would like to write an episode. Oh, and it also looks like Steven Moffat and him admire each other's political views as well, so there's that addition of writers getting along well. How have I not mentioned this before? He would have been great for The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion but does anyone want another political thriller after we've just had the mentioned series 9 two parter though? Because if you were going to use Armando Ianucci, you'd use him for his political writing.
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