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Post by paulmorris7777 on Mar 27, 2016 14:08:22 GMT
There is room for another 'political' story, but it needs to be done with a lot more subtly.
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Post by mbt66 on Mar 28, 2016 9:26:58 GMT
I am expecting... the Paternosters to appear for a final time, before they continue their adventures with Big Finish.
I am hoping...that the Eighth Doctor will show up in a proper TV story.
I am daydreaming...that MISSY will come back toward the end of the series and we will see her regenerate into the new companion who was introduced at the start of the series.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 28, 2016 13:54:36 GMT
I am expecting... the Paternosters to appear for a final time, before they continue their adventures with Big Finish. I am hoping...that the Eighth Doctor will show up in a proper TV story. I am daydreaming...that MISSY will come back toward the end of the series and we will see her regenerate into the new companion who was introduced at the start of the series. I reckon we'll see all recurring Moffat Era characters return personally as a send-off to Moffat in the 2017 Christmas Special. That would be a brilliant twist. I really want to see it happen now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 1:32:01 GMT
There is room for another 'political' story, but it needs to be done with a lot more subtly. Or it needs to really hammer the point home by not pulling any punches. The man whose signature motif is fairytale hyperbole was not the writer to do it, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons managed to take it further than Who did.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 29, 2016 8:33:32 GMT
There is room for another 'political' story, but it needs to be done with a lot more subtly. Or it needs to really hammer the point home by not pulling any punches. The man whose signature motif is fairytale hyperbole was not the writer to do it, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons managed to take it further than Who did. Maybe it could work as a story featuring the Silurians but I think they would have to be careful it doesn't come too close to The Zygon Invasion/Inversion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 9:42:38 GMT
Or it needs to really hammer the point home by not pulling any punches. The man whose signature motif is fairytale hyperbole was not the writer to do it, Captain Scarlet and the Mysterons managed to take it further than Who did. Maybe it could work as a story featuring the Silurians but I think they would have to be careful it doesn't come too close to The Zygon Invasion/Inversion. Hmm... That would be very difficult, the Silurians in their first appearance can be interpreted as analogous to indigenous life struggling against colonialism in much the same way as the Cybermen during their initial appearances ( The Tenth Planet and The Moonbase especially) can be perceived as representations of people's worst fears of communism. You'd need something to push, something that would resonate with your audience. Going back to Captain Scarlet, it was a children's show about genocide and infiltration. About people being slaughtered, their faces stolen for the purposes of antagonistic espionage. All the worst fears of the Cold War come to life in the form of Captain Black and his amorphous alien controllers. What else is going on in the Western world at the moment besides global terrorism and the European refugee crisis?
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Mar 29, 2016 9:59:47 GMT
The Silurians episode is a comment on immigration, says so in the making of feature.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 10:12:39 GMT
The Silurians episode is a comment on immigration, says so in the making of feature. Huh. I did not know this, I always thought that they were inspired by the Deep Ones in H.P. Lovecraft's The Shadow Over Innsmouth and that was it. Given this was Malcolm Hulke writing, I'm not surprised in the slightest that it was an allegory for immigration. The aboriginal parallel was something I came up with myself.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 29, 2016 10:40:21 GMT
Maybe it could work as a story featuring the Silurians but I think they would have to be careful it doesn't come too close to The Zygon Invasion/Inversion. Hmm... That would be very difficult, the Silurians in their first appearance can be interpreted as analogous to indigenous life struggling against colonialism in much the same way as the Cybermen during their initial appearances ( The Tenth Planet and The Moonbase especially) can be perceived as representations of people's worst fears of communism. You'd need something to push, something that would resonate with your audience. Going back to Captain Scarlet, it was a children's show about genocide and infiltration. About people being slaughtered, their faces stolen for the purposes of antagonistic espionage. All the worst fears of the Cold War come to life in the form of Captain Black and his amorphous alien controllers. What else is going on in the Western world at the moment besides global terrorism and the European refugee crisis? As the above poster said, immigration.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 10:56:39 GMT
Hmm... That would be very difficult, the Silurians in their first appearance can be interpreted as analogous to indigenous life struggling against colonialism in much the same way as the Cybermen during their initial appearances ( The Tenth Planet and The Moonbase especially) can be perceived as representations of people's worst fears of communism. You'd need something to push, something that would resonate with your audience. Going back to Captain Scarlet, it was a children's show about genocide and infiltration. About people being slaughtered, their faces stolen for the purposes of antagonistic espionage. All the worst fears of the Cold War come to life in the form of Captain Black and his amorphous alien controllers. What else is going on in the Western world at the moment besides global terrorism and the European refugee crisis? As the above poster said, immigration. Wasn't the immigration topic tackled in The Zygon Invasion though?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 29, 2016 11:32:08 GMT
As the above poster said, immigration. Wasn't the immigration topic tackled in The Zygon Invasion though? I saw it as more a political thriller about terrorism.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 11:41:09 GMT
Wasn't the immigration topic tackled in The Zygon Invasion though? I saw it as more a political thriller about terrorism. That's very true, but I also saw an additional facet of it that attempted to explore whether immigration is responsible for domestic terrorism. Admittedly, I think that was more of an addendum, rather than a fully fleshed out idea. Ooh, hey. We never do get any information about the rest of Vastra's shelter in Victorian London. Maybe that has possibilities?
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Mar 29, 2016 12:27:33 GMT
I saw it as more a political thriller about terrorism. That's very true, but I also saw an additional facet of it that attempted to explore whether immigration is responsible for domestic terrorism. Admittedly, I think that was more of an addendum, rather than a fully fleshed out idea. Ooh, hey. We never do get any information about the rest of Vastra's shelter in Victorian London. Maybe that has possibilities? I would like a story exploring Madam Vastra's loyalties. What would happen if her people fell out with us humans again? Who would she side with? Would she be able to finally persaude humans and Silurians to live among each other and share the Earth?
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 29, 2016 13:05:38 GMT
A decent story set on Gallifrey with an answer to what happened to Romana
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 0:39:53 GMT
This may sound crazy, but instead of an earth girl companion again, we could have a previous Doctor that is the opposite of the darker 12th Doctor (When I say this, I mean Paul McGann) and make it a buddy cop dynamic. As I said, a bit crazy, but if they were to even get people at Big Finish to act as consultants and provide a good background and characterization for The 8th Doctor. We could even have a Big Finish series going on at the same time that while may not have any effect on the T.V. Show's storyline, could run in-between the seasons episodes. Anyways, this was just a crazy idea that I had thought of and I thought I would share it with the lovely people that make up this forum.
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 3, 2016 5:15:57 GMT
This may sound crazy, but instead of an earth girl companion again, we could have a previous Doctor that is the opposite of the darker 12th Doctor (When I say this, I mean Paul McGann) and make it a buddy cop dynamic. As I said, a bit crazy, but if they were to even get people at Big Finish to act as consultants and provide a good background and characterization for The 8th Doctor. We could even have a Big Finish series going on at the same time that while may not have any effect on the T.V. Show's storyline, could run in-between the seasons episodes. Anyways, this was just a crazy idea that I had thought of and I thought I would share it with the lovely people that make up this forum. It wouldn't be fair to Twelve to make him share his stories with another Doctor. I like Eight as much as anyone, but his era on TV is over. This reminds me of the stereotypical Tennant fans, who refused to accept any other Doctor after he left (I don't think anyone like that actually exists).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 6:25:21 GMT
This may sound crazy, but instead of an earth girl companion again, we could have a previous Doctor that is the opposite of the darker 12th Doctor (When I say this, I mean Paul McGann) and make it a buddy cop dynamic. As I said, a bit crazy, but if they were to even get people at Big Finish to act as consultants and provide a good background and characterization for The 8th Doctor. We could even have a Big Finish series going on at the same time that while may not have any effect on the T.V. Show's storyline, could run in-between the seasons episodes. Anyways, this was just a crazy idea that I had thought of and I thought I would share it with the lovely people that make up this forum. While I wouldn't want Doc 8 as the new companion, the buddy cop dynamic would be a great one to go for. A no nonsense police officer who has a mission to perform and needs the Doctor and his TARDIS to help her achieve it would be a great new take.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 10:38:06 GMT
This may sound crazy, but instead of an earth girl companion again, we could have a previous Doctor that is the opposite of the darker 12th Doctor (When I say this, I mean Paul McGann) and make it a buddy cop dynamic. As I said, a bit crazy, but if they were to even get people at Big Finish to act as consultants and provide a good background and characterization for The 8th Doctor. We could even have a Big Finish series going on at the same time that while may not have any effect on the T.V. Show's storyline, could run in-between the seasons episodes. Anyways, this was just a crazy idea that I had thought of and I thought I would share it with the lovely people that make up this forum. It's a wonderfully imaginative idea, but the way the new series is structured doesn't really accommodate for it. That said, I was rather smitten with the notion of the Twelfth Doctor turning up a couple episodes early to ensure his predecessor's death wasn't altered by an enigmatic future party. While I wouldn't want Doc 8 as the new companion, the buddy cop dynamic would be a great one to go for. A no nonsense police officer who has a mission to perform and needs the Doctor and his TARDIS to help her achieve it would be a great new take. So... Maybe Luther or Frank Black from Millennium?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2016 10:53:04 GMT
That's very true, but I also saw an additional facet of it that attempted to explore whether immigration is responsible for domestic terrorism. Admittedly, I think that was more of an addendum, rather than a fully fleshed out idea. Ooh, hey. We never do get any information about the rest of Vastra's shelter in Victorian London. Maybe that has possibilities? I would like a story exploring Madam Vastra's loyalties. What would happen if her people fell out with us humans again? Who would she side with? Would she be able to finally persaude humans and Silurians to live among each other and share the Earth? We don't know if she will live that long, sadly. As much as a Victoria era-Silurian story does appeal, I'm not sure if there is any new ground which really can be covered - love it or leave it The Hungry Earth/ Cold Earth really seems to have put a lid on The Silurian and human conflict. Honestly, I REALLY just want to see humans and Silurians branch out together in space or working together in general in the future, but I do wonder if that might be too much contiunty for casual viewers.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Apr 3, 2016 11:32:10 GMT
Honestly, I don't care about the casual viewer, and don't think we need to pander to them. Write whatever backstory you need into the story and there you go - that's the beauty of a companion, instant audience explanation device. "Ohh there's another race of beings on Earth and in the year Whatever they joined up with humanity and the Zygons to explore the cosmos. I'm rather impressed with how I ... Ahem they worked out how to get everyone to cooperate". Five seconds max, and everything is explained. If the casual viewer can't enjoy the story wit hthat. Then that their problem.
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