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Post by tuigirl on Oct 17, 2018 18:23:03 GMT
Well, these people who watched must have some wild variations in their tastes.... that is what I meant... We can't have everyone enjoying the same episode. I thought Heaven Sent was garbage. Others thought different. Haha, yeah, it is great that tastes are so different. Imagine how crowded Helene Fischer or Rammstein concerts would be otherwise.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Oct 17, 2018 19:00:46 GMT
We can't have everyone enjoying the same episode. I thought Heaven Sent was garbage. Others thought different. Haha, yeah, it is great that tastes are so different. Imagine how crowded Helene Fischer or Rammstein concerts would be otherwise. Who?
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Post by Stan on Oct 17, 2018 20:25:44 GMT
Not a bad episode. Want to watch a second time. Not good, constant doctor, ‘I am so clever‘ lines. Shut up and just prove it.
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Post by agentten on Oct 17, 2018 22:09:28 GMT
I enjoyed the episode quite a bit. Everything is clicking nicely for me as a fan and as a viewer. I like the more crowded TARDIS, too. The new companions seem to be gelling well so far and I look forward to learning more about them. My favorite part of the episode was the TARDIS reveal. As 13 coaxed the TARDIS into materialization, I could feel her longing to be reunited with it and her joy at seeing it again. Walking in, the Doctor seemed as wonder-struck as the companions and I liked her kid-in-a-candy store vibe. I like the redesign, too. The industrial feel is something we haven't really seen before so it felt unique, but also still very much the TARDIS.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 17, 2018 22:20:03 GMT
Okay, one complaint that I'm just not getting is 'the companions are bland'. Now, Yaz being a bit sidelined I can understand, but this I don't get. Maybe I'm just speaking as a writer myself, but I get who Ryan, Yaz and Graham are as people: their personalities, their viewpoints, their flaws, how one would react to a situation vs another, what their arcs could be. I'm scratching my head, unless their idea of character is 'quirky and spouts one-liners all the time'.
Also, someone on reddit complained Ryan couldn't play video games because of his dyspraxia. Uhhh.... come again?
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Post by sherlock on Oct 17, 2018 22:35:34 GMT
Also, someone on reddit complained Ryan couldn't play video games because of his dyspraxia. Uhhh.... come again? There have been some suggestions his dyspraxia is being inconsistently portrayed. Tbf to the redditer it is not unusual for some dyspraxics to have difficulty with games such as COD (well I do) because it relies on quick reactions, which dyspraxics tend to struggle with. However as with most conditions dyspraxia is something of a spectrum so it's entirely possible that he'd be able to do that.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 17, 2018 22:40:46 GMT
Also, someone on reddit complained Ryan couldn't play video games because of his dyspraxia. Uhhh.... come again? There have been some suggestions his dyspraxia is being inconsistently portrayed. Tbf to the redditer it is not unusual for some dyspraxics to have difficulty with games such as COD (well I do) because it relies on quick reactions, which dyspraxics tend to struggle with. However as with most conditions dyspraxia is something of a spectrum so it's entirely possible that he'd be able to do that. It's like with autism: it can vary alot. I know dyspraxics who can play action games just fine. In-universe, I can imagine Ryan uses mastery of games to compensate for his real-world challenges like ladders and bikes on a personal level. Plus, it has a repetition and realtively-small physical demand by contrast to those.
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Post by barnabaslives on Oct 17, 2018 23:55:57 GMT
Okay, one complaint that I'm just not getting is 'the companions are bland'. Now, Yaz being a bit sidelined I can understand, but this I don't get. Maybe I'm just speaking as a writer myself, but I get who Ryan, Yaz and Graham are as people: their personalities, their viewpoints, their flaws, how one would react to a situation vs another, what their arcs could be. I'm scratching my head, unless their idea of character is 'quirky and spouts one-liners all the time'. I'm hoping we'll hear this less a few more episodes in, aside from Ryan's family as a family I just don't think that much focus has really been put on any of them yet, and probably no wonder since it's a full TARDIS and they're arriving at the same time as The Doctor who obviously demands focus for us to get to know her better. At least as this stage, and maybe for the whole first season, I'm not surprised if the companions are probably going to take turns at having a strong spotlight on them. I think it would've been lovely to have held Bill and Nardole over for a few episodes before rolling out the new companions, but apparently it was not meant to be.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 18, 2018 0:42:33 GMT
And fittingly:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 0:49:31 GMT
Okay, one complaint that I'm just not getting is 'the companions are bland'. Now, Yaz being a bit sidelined I can understand, but this I don't get. Maybe I'm just speaking as a writer myself, but I get who Ryan, Yaz and Graham are as people: their personalities, their viewpoints, their flaws, how one would react to a situation vs another, what their arcs could be. I'm scratching my head, unless their idea of character is 'quirky and spouts one-liners all the time'. Also, someone on reddit complained Ryan couldn't play video games because of his dyspraxia. Uhhh.... come again? I don’t think I’ve quite ‘got’ a companion before quite like I’ve got Ryan at the moment. He’s emotionally insecure yet wants to be a hero, doesn’t like the support of authority figures because it makes him feel patronised, and basically just wants to be loved by people. This is why I think if Yaz had told him how well he was doing before climbing he ladder instead of the Doctor, it would’ve been a nicer moment, rather than one where he’d shrug it off. Also, I’m a huge shipper of #ryaz now. #ship #ryaz
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Post by tuigirl on Oct 18, 2018 7:17:32 GMT
Haha, yeah, it is great that tastes are so different. Imagine how crowded Helene Fischer or Rammstein concerts would be otherwise. Who? Exactly. My point.
(they are two controversial German musicians/ groups who are either liked or hated. Needless to say I avoid them)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 16:35:23 GMT
Yeah... I REALLY didn’t like this one. Literally not one single element of the story went anywhere. The water was full of flesh eating microbes, but we never saw it eat anyone or even any part of the ship or something. The beedsheet monsters were silly, and the scene at the end where the Doctor full gives up and resigns herself to her fate only for the TARDIS to arrive seconds later was incredibly stupid. Goddess, I really miss Moffat.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Oct 18, 2018 17:23:09 GMT
Australia overnights for this episode were 319,000
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 19:02:26 GMT
Australia overnights for this episode were 319,000 So does that mean it shed 25% of its audience from the previous week? Shouldn't read too much into these things you know? On a different note, the AI indexes people have been debating, in my opinion often denote that a programme has found it's target audience, rather than a barometer of quality. My worry is that Sunday early evening drama has been a traditional slot for cosy, easy in the concentration levels, warm hearted gentle viewing, since All Creatures Great and Small set the template 40 years ago. The criticism coming through on this forum about the latest Doctor Who episodes being a bit bland, straightforwardly plotted, generic, etc, may indeed be the price to pay to secure a loyal viewing and consistent AI, by moving to Sunday early evening. If the audience tuning into BBC/ITV terrestrial does not want anything radical, clever, complicated, sharp, scary, or whatnot, then it will not be viable to invest in such programming, whatever the more cultured of us would like to see delivered. No doubt Ant n Dec, Britain's got X Factor, Strictly Come Bake Off et al have AI's as high as their viewing figures.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 18, 2018 19:12:38 GMT
The criticism coming through on this forum about the latest Doctor Who episodes being a bit bland, straightforwardly plotted, generic, etc, may indeed be the price to pay to secure a loyal viewing and consistent AI, by moving to Sunday early evening. If the audience tuning into BBC/ITV terrestrial does not want anything radical, clever, complicated, sharp, scary, or whatnot, then it will not be viable to invest in such programming, whatever the more cultured of us would like to see delivered. No doubt Ant n Dec, Britain's got X Factor, Strictly Come Bake Off et al have AI's as high as their viewing figures. While I see the point, I can't say I'm sure: if Chris wanted to just create unthreatening TV, why hire writers like Patel, Wilkinson and McTighe who are known for edgier material (Patel won a BAFTA for writing a film about issues within the British Muslim community, after all), as well as Blackman who's body of work deals heavily with youth culture and racism?
If he wanted to do that, he would've just stuffed the writersroom with people from Merlin or Atlantis.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 19:27:57 GMT
The criticism coming through on this forum about the latest Doctor Who episodes being a bit bland, straightforwardly plotted, generic, etc, may indeed be the price to pay to secure a loyal viewing and consistent AI, by moving to Sunday early evening. If the audience tuning into BBC/ITV terrestrial does not want anything radical, clever, complicated, sharp, scary, or whatnot, then it will not be viable to invest in such programming, whatever the more cultured of us would like to see delivered. No doubt Ant n Dec, Britain's got X Factor, Strictly Come Bake Off et al have AI's as high as their viewing figures. While I see the point, I can't say I'm sure: if Chris wanted to just create unthreatening TV, why hire writers like Patel, Wilkinson and McTighe who are known for edgier material (Patel won a BAFTA for writing a film about issues within the British Muslim community, after all), as well as Blackman who's body of work deals heavily with youth culture and racism?
If he wanted to do that, he would've just stuffed the writersroom with people from Merlin or Atlantis.
I do hope you are right. I have no scope to debate what we have yet to see. Call the Midlife has been praised for its storylines confronting difficult issues, but it still manages to do so from within a 'comfort blanket'. Vincent and the Doctor demonstrated what looking further afield from the traditional genre writers pool could deliver as progressive 'Doctor Who'. A bit of sermonising does not automatically make for good drama, but the source of inspiration can provide a bit of edge, or grit, to proceedings. I look forwards to seeing what the remaining 8 episodes deliver.
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Post by thethirddoctor on Oct 18, 2018 20:54:30 GMT
Australia overnights for this episode were 319,000 So does that mean it shed 25% of its audience from the previous week? Shouldn't read too much into these things you know? And, yet fans went crazy for the UK ratings!
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Post by mark687 on Oct 18, 2018 20:59:55 GMT
So does that mean it shed 25% of its audience from the previous week? Shouldn't read too much into these things you know? And, yet fans went crazy for the UK ratings! UK Show made with UK Viewer Money! Big UK Ratings= Value for viewer money
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Post by Whovitt on Oct 18, 2018 22:02:38 GMT
So does that mean it shed 25% of its audience from the previous week? Shouldn't read too much into these things you know? And, yet fans went crazy for the UK ratings! It should be noted that the Australian air time has shifted from 7:30pm Sunday to 5:55pm Monday. New Series Doctor Who has never been broadcast at any time pre-7:30pm at any point this century (not even repeats, unless it was something stupid like 2am), and never on a weekday (again, unless it was a repeat, and they only tend to happen after a series has finished airing). With the episodes becoming available on demand simultaneously with the UK broadcast, the people who'll definitely want to see it will probably watch it online over breakfast so they don't have to worry about potentially missing it in the evening. Basically, catching Doctor Who live now is quite different to any of the other new series, so if people aren't quite used to the new schedule yet that's going to affect who's going to be able to watch it. Regardless, Australia has never had outstanding viewing figures for Doctor Who, and there were always going to be more people watching Episode 1 than Episode 2 because of the novelty value, so a loss in viewing figures is hardly to be unexpected...
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Post by thethirddoctor on Oct 18, 2018 22:55:02 GMT
And, yet fans went crazy for the UK ratings! UK Show made with UK Viewer Money! Big UK Ratings= Value for viewer money
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Also needs to be sold overseas to get returns.
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