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Post by ollychops on Oct 22, 2018 20:26:14 GMT
Also having the white characters bravely doing nothing is a horrible idea for the climax of your segregation episode. Not really. Having the white characters getting involved/giving Rosa the inspiration to stand her ground is the worst message that the show could have done for this episode - that would have taken Rosa's agency away from her and gone the white saviour route. This was a huge moment in the history of people of colour, taking that away from them and having the white characters get involved in such a big moment of civil rights history would have been the worst mistake they could have made and hugely disrespectful. And like they mentioned in the episode, they were keeping history on track, as far as I'm aware, no white people got involved in the situation, so they were only following history. Anyway, on a slightly different note, I just rewatched it and I loved it just as much the second time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 20:28:31 GMT
I didn't dislike this episode, but I didn't think it was that great either. I gave this episode 3/5 in the poll here as on the whole I found it average fare. I loved the historical part of it and the story of Rosa Parks was beautifully told, I found it very emotional. However, the [so called] villain 'Krasko' was about as useful as a chocolate teapot. He couldn't kill anyone, so all he could do was manipulate events... simple then, blast Rosa or the bus driver in to the the future/past and the famous bus protest event doesn't happen. It's possible that we will see more of Krasko and there might be a bigger story there, but based on this episode alone he was a lame villain and on the whole I think I would have preferred Rosa to have been a straight historical episode.
Oh, and the music over the end credits didn't work for me either, but it's not a big deal either way.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 22, 2018 20:29:55 GMT
Also having the white characters bravely doing nothing is a horrible idea for the climax of your segregation episode. Not really. Having the white characters getting involved/giving Rosa the inspiration to stand her ground is the worst message that the show could have done for this episode - that would have taken Rosa's agency away from her and gone the white saviour route. This was a huge moment in the history of people of colour, taking that away from them and having the white characters get involved in such a big moment of civil rights history would have been the worst mistake they could have made and hugely disrespectful. And like they mentioned in the episode, they were keeping history on track, as far as I'm aware, no white people got involved in the situation, so they were only following history. Anyway, on a slightly different note, I just rewatched it and I loved it just as much the second time. Spot on.
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Post by nucleusofswarm on Oct 22, 2018 20:39:57 GMT
Also having the white characters bravely doing nothing is a horrible idea for the climax of your segregation episode. No disrespect, but as fitz pointed out, that's precisely the opposite of the moral of the story (in fact, that precisely why so many were trepidatious about the story pre-broadcast: making white saviours). The Doctor and co have to allow it to happen to keep history on course, and if you mean the townsfolk, why would the Montgomery residents randomly stand up for Rosa if they've been brought up to think blacks are inferior and have no reason to think otherwise?
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Post by veryfactualdalek on Oct 22, 2018 20:48:18 GMT
Bit disappointed it doesn't continue right from last weeks episode and they've had several more adventures. I liked that aspect. It leaves room for Big Finish adventures 4 boxsets coming soon
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Post by veryfactualdalek on Oct 22, 2018 20:52:06 GMT
I know a lot of people loved this but I... really hated it. It had a villain who posed 0 threat (why didn’t he use that gun on Rosa and send her back in time. I know he couldn’t actually KILL her but he was using that time travel gun freely on everyone else), and the dialogue was extremely clunky (with such lines as ‘See? I’m not stupid, I just got confused by the whole bus thing!’ and ‘Thanks to Rosa Parks, I can become a police officer!’). Also having the white characters bravely doing nothing is a horrible idea for the climax of your segregation episode. Oh, and that pop song over the end credits was an utter insult. Why did it keep playing over the trailer? Were the spiders rising up? Because if he too Rosa out of time that would be noticeable also what would be the point Just make her miss it Also we’ve had villains who posed no threat before
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Post by newt5996 on Oct 23, 2018 0:16:42 GMT
A minor point that I don’t think anyone’s picked up on and I may be grasping at straws BUT the villain recognized the TARDIS. Could this mean Gallifrey is back? Or am I just having baseless speculation? Or both?
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Post by Hieronymus on Oct 23, 2018 3:20:43 GMT
A minor point that I don’t think anyone’s picked up on and I may be grasping at straws BUT the villain recognized the TARDIS. Could this mean Gallifrey is back? Or am I just having baseless speculation? Or both? It means he knows what a TARDIS is. He wouldn't be the first time traveller who knew what a TARDIS was. I'd have been more surprised if he'd asked the Doctor if she was a Time Lord. It felt to me as though he assumed it was a leftover from the Time War.
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Post by TimPendragon on Oct 23, 2018 3:36:15 GMT
Sorry, computer went wonky. Weird double post.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Oct 23, 2018 6:47:34 GMT
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Post by Timelord007 on Oct 23, 2018 7:06:59 GMT
It's Gallifrey Base.....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Gallifrey Base this seasons big bad.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 8:15:20 GMT
A minor point that I don’t think anyone’s picked up on and I may be grasping at straws BUT the villain recognized the TARDIS. Could this mean Gallifrey is back? Or am I just having baseless speculation? Or both? I just assumed he assumed it was a Tardis due to the artron energy signatures he was tracing...because of its size and readings maybe.It certainly wasn’t a vortex manipulator
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 8:35:21 GMT
Racism wiped out by 79th century?Only in the ideal Star Trek universe.Humanitys darker side will always exist in some form or another so I didn’t find it far fetched that a character could have these motivations
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There’s a horror movie called Alien? That’s really offensive. No wonder everyone keeps invading you.
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Post by shutupbanks on Oct 23, 2018 9:33:01 GMT
A minor point that I don’t think anyone’s picked up on and I may be grasping at straws BUT the villain recognized the TARDIS. Could this mean Gallifrey is back? Or am I just having baseless speculation? Or both? Gallifrey's been back since Series 9, hasn't it? I know they were hiding out at the end of time but that doesn't mean that they can't make their presence felt across the universe.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Oct 23, 2018 11:07:30 GMT
If Krasko does come back, he'll go after Ryan. It adds to his hatred as it was a Black Man who sent him packing
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Post by Tim Bradley on Oct 23, 2018 11:11:43 GMT
If Krasko does come back, he'll go after Ryan. It adds to his hatred as it was a Black Man who sent him packing If Krasko returns, it would be great if he had the Daleks as his allies. That would make another great episode about racism and prejudice for the Thirteenth Doctor era.
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Post by veryfactualdalek on Oct 23, 2018 11:13:02 GMT
A minor point that I don’t think anyone’s picked up on and I may be grasping at straws BUT the villain recognized the TARDIS. Could this mean Gallifrey is back? Or am I just having baseless speculation? Or both? Gallifrey never left know
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 11:31:26 GMT
If Krasko does come back, he'll go after Ryan. It adds to his hatred as it was a Black Man who sent him packing If Krasko returns, it would be great if he had the Daleks as his allies. That would make another great episode about racism and prejudice for the Thirteenth Doctor era.
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Sorry I wouldn't like that. He isn't some clichéd sci-fi villain that would work in an allegory story about racism & prejudice. I hope we never see him again. He seemed to me to encapsulate the desperate loser racist terrorist. The only difference being he had time travel. By the way it was a great episode.
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Post by Tim Bradley on Oct 23, 2018 12:33:07 GMT
If Krasko returns, it would be great if he had the Daleks as his allies. That would make another great episode about racism and prejudice for the Thirteenth Doctor era.
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Sorry I wouldn't like that. He isn't some clichéd sci-fi villain that would work in an allegory story about racism & prejudice. I hope we never see him again. He seemed to me to encapsulate the desperate loser racist terrorist. The only difference being he had time travel. By the way it was a great episode. That's okay. It was just an idea.
I was only thinking in the long-term of how the Daleks would make a comeback to 'Doctor Who' in some form and in a more compelling manner.
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Post by idle453 on Oct 23, 2018 13:06:43 GMT
I thought it was a good episode. It made me uncomfortable but it was supposed to. My only complaint was krasko’s fate. Not that it happened but that the Doctor didn’t respond to it. Ryan sent a villain whose whole modus operandi was altering the past in minor ways further into the past. I would have expected a “think what he could do now” comment at least. But I do wonder if Ryan didn’t set the controls to as far back as he thought and this might have an effect on the other historical episode (India wasn’t it)
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