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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 16:53:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 17:05:18 GMT
I think Krasko escaped and managed to mess up someone else's timeline instead. I knew he looked familiar. Both trying, and failing, to look as cool as Brando in the Wild One of course. Josh's big TV role that he's known for (after Revenge maybe) is playing Jack The Ripper in the cancelled-too-soon Time After Time adaptation from last year, reprising the role of Jack from BF fave and all round genre legend David Warner from the film. Being an evil time traveller is a strange niche but Josh seems to be getting the gigs.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Oct 23, 2018 19:47:42 GMT
I did not know there was a TV adaptation of Time After Time. Was it British or American?
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Post by TimPendragon on Oct 23, 2018 20:10:38 GMT
I did not know there was a TV adaptation of Time After Time. Was it British or American?
American. It aired during the winter season last year, but only 5 of the 12 episodes were shown before it got pulled from the schedule and cancelled. I only saw a little bit of it, but the general consensus was that it made bad CW shows look like Shakespeare by comparison.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2018 22:00:18 GMT
Rosa has an AI of 83.
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Post by dasmaniac on Oct 24, 2018 0:09:58 GMT
A minor point that I don’t think anyone’s picked up on and I may be grasping at straws BUT the villain recognized the TARDIS. Could this mean Gallifrey is back? Or am I just having baseless speculation? Or both? It means he knows what a TARDIS is. He wouldn't be the first time traveller who knew what a TARDIS was. I'd have been more surprised if he'd asked the Doctor if she was a Time Lord. It felt to me as though he assumed it was a leftover from the Time War. This makes sense. Krasko is an experienced time traveler. He's not a hobbyist like The Doctor. He uses time travel for his own means. There's probably a community of such people. TARDIS' are probably a hot commodity among time traveler's like Krasko.
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Post by mrperson on Oct 24, 2018 1:29:15 GMT
Damn... Everyone is firing on all cylinders, both in-scene and out-scene (well, the bad guy wasn't terribly nuanced but whatever). I'm loving the trajectory of this series. It's been a long time since I anxiously awaited the next episode.
Eerily enough, the 'bad guy' looked almost exactly like "Mack" from "It's Always Sunny in Philidelphia", but apparently was some other "Joshua Bowman" guy.
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Post by mrperson on Oct 24, 2018 1:34:12 GMT
Am I the only one that felt some of the smaller parts were really hammy? Like not the dialogue but the delivery in places just took me out of the episode, especially that waitress lady and the cop. Still I think the episode is worth 6/10. It puts a bit too much importance I think on Rosa Parks as the only cause of civil rights as the case that ends segregation had already been started by then. Also the pop song made me cringe and that scene would be way more powerful with no music. There were a few hammy bits, yes.
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Post by Ela on Oct 24, 2018 3:26:50 GMT
I enjoyed the episode. They told the story as it happened and didn't mess with history. Having a villain who was a racist who came back from the future to try to change history was an interesting way to approach this historical. Though I was thinking as it happened that he would have had to try to change every act of resistance against racism in order for his quest to succeed. Just changing history on the day that Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat on the bus would not have done it. There were many acts of resistance in those days. Also, it was right that the white folks on the bus did not get involved in the dispute between the bus driver and Rosa; doing so would have changed history indeed. It was exactly that sort of interference that I worried about when I heard Doctor Who was doing an episode about Rosa Parks.
I was surprised how much the TARDIS team knew about Rosa Parks' story. Would not have expected that to be something that is universally taught in British schools.
And the song playing over the credits at the end was perfect and in keeping with the spirit of the episode.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 3:27:18 GMT
I loved it. From beginning to end, a great episode with a lot of careful and deliberate thought put into it. My jaw dropped in the same way as Ryan's when he was standing face-to-face with Martin Luther King and the event itself was handled with just the right level of poise. I've really enjoyed the past three episodes and I adore where the series seems to be heading now. It's pretty much everything I look for in Doctor Who. Long may it continue.
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Post by Ela on Oct 24, 2018 3:31:30 GMT
Fantastic episode that doesn't shy away or hold back on showing the appalling racism of the era, it sees hard to believe that a person of colour would have to give up there seat for a "white" person it seems hard to imagine that actually happened & portraying signs in hotels "whites only" it beggars belief that we as a human race treated other races so appallingly, Ryan being slapped, racially slurred & threatened to be hung was a shock for a family drama but needed to shock & educate how far we as humans evolved & how far we still need to evolve. I am old enough to remember seeing separate rest rooms and drinking fountains for "whites" and "coloreds" when my family took a vacation to "the south" when I was a kid. And I remember being appalled by it, as that sort of thing did not exist in the community in which I was raised (in the northeastern US). Not to say there was no racism where I grew up, but it was - and is - more hidden, less overt than in the south. As indeed is still the case in many places.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 3:58:42 GMT
Fantastic episode that doesn't shy away or hold back on showing the appalling racism of the era, it sees hard to believe that a person of colour would have to give up there seat for a "white" person it seems hard to imagine that actually happened & portraying signs in hotels "whites only" it beggars belief that we as a human race treated other races so appallingly, Ryan being slapped, racially slurred & threatened to be hung was a shock for a family drama but needed to shock & educate how far we as humans evolved & how far we still need to evolve. I am old enough to remember seeing separate rest rooms and drinking fountains for "whites" and "coloreds" when my family took a vacation to "the south" when I was a kid. And I remember being appalled by it, as that sort of thing did not exist in the community in which I was raised (in the northeastern US). Not to say there was no racism where I grew up, but it was - and is - more hidden, less overt than in the south. As indeed is still the case in many places. One of the most appalling chapters in Australian history has been our abduction of First Peoples children for assimilation. I did a proposal for a fellowship at my university covering it, I read the reports, journals and sifted through the memoranda. We took them from their families for "medical examination" and they were never returned. It is fundamentally unconscionable. There is, however, one thing that I also remember. Preserved in an archive box, were these pamphlets printed up by women who had banded together in 1961 to express dissent at how the Australian Aboriginals were being treated. White colonial women. Even then, even before the 1967 referendum that granted First Peoples the basic right to be heard as people, there were those fighting against this. First Peoples and settlers, both. People who would not accept the status quo for what it was. I'm really glad Rosa exists as a piece of television. I really am.
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Post by Ela on Oct 24, 2018 4:07:26 GMT
Many countries have such chapters in their history - hatred and intolerance for the "other". And there have always been people who fought against it.
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Post by J.A. Prentice on Oct 24, 2018 4:27:03 GMT
Making a Doctor Who episode about Rosa Parks was a risky choice in the same way that running into a minefield is a risky choice, but I was impressed with how it avoided all the major potential issues. It didn't have the Doctor inspiring Rosa Parks, didn't have segregation caused by aliens, didn't have a pointless monster, and didn't portray Rosa Parks as some little old lady who just randomly decided not to give her seat up rather than a middle-aged activist. Rosa is still responsible for all her actions and the villain is a human racist trying to disrupt events. The Doctor does nothing but make sure history maintains its course. I felt the episode was much stronger than last week's. Yaz and Ryan had much better material to work with and I got a stronger sense of their characters. The scenes in the restaurant and hotel had me on the edge of my seat with the sheer sense of tension. The episode didn't shy away from the brutality of racism – and it didn't try to pretend racism was something of the past as many American tellings of the Civil Rights movements do. I think a little more resolution on Krasko, showing us where he ended up and expanding on the poetic justice of his fate would have been a great addition. The end fell rather flat. Rosa Parks is super important... because she has a rock named after her? Why not show us the future she made that Krasko hated so much, where progress has been made and people like Krasko are outlier terrorists rather than advising presidents? Perhaps a statue of Rosa Parks in some Afrofutirist utopia or a planet named after her? The asteroid just felt like a flat note to end the episode on. Speaking of notes, I said earlier when talking about the trailer music that I just hoped they didn't start playing pop music over sad scenes in an emotionally manipulative way. I stand by that position and changing the end credit music was even worse. Still, it was a strong episode on a risky subject and the closest we've had to a pure historical in the show for years. 4/5
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Post by Ela on Oct 24, 2018 4:29:49 GMT
Good post, J.A. Prentice, though I disagree about the music choice. The music worked perfectly for me.
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Post by aussiedoctorwhofan on Oct 24, 2018 4:55:05 GMT
I am old enough to remember seeing separate rest rooms and drinking fountains for "whites" and "coloreds" when my family took a vacation to "the south" when I was a kid. And I remember being appalled by it, as that sort of thing did not exist in the community in which I was raised (in the northeastern US). Not to say there was no racism where I grew up, but it was - and is - more hidden, less overt than in the south. As indeed is still the case in many places. One of the most appalling chapters in Australian history has been our abduction of First Peoples children for assimilation. I did a proposal for a fellowship at my university covering it, I read the reports, journals and sifted through the memoranda. We took them from their families for "medical examination" and they were never returned. It is fundamentally unconscionable. There is, however, one thing that I also remember. Preserved in an archive box, were these pamphlets printed up by women who had banded together in 1961 to express dissent at how the Australian Aboriginals were being treated. White colonial women. Even then, even before the 1967 referendum that granted First Peoples the basic right to be heard as people, there were those fighting against this. First Peoples and settlers, both. People who would not accept the status quo for what it was. I'm really glad Rosa exists as a piece of television. I really am. One of my close friends is indigenous. The stories she has told me.. wow.. :-(
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Post by Ela on Oct 24, 2018 5:04:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 5:21:56 GMT
One of the most appalling chapters in Australian history has been our abduction of First Peoples children for assimilation. I did a proposal for a fellowship at my university covering it, I read the reports, journals and sifted through the memoranda. We took them from their families for "medical examination" and they were never returned. It is fundamentally unconscionable. There is, however, one thing that I also remember. Preserved in an archive box, were these pamphlets printed up by women who had banded together in 1961 to express dissent at how the Australian Aboriginals were being treated. White colonial women. Even then, even before the 1967 referendum that granted First Peoples the basic right to be heard as people, there were those fighting against this. First Peoples and settlers, both. People who would not accept the status quo for what it was. I'm really glad Rosa exists as a piece of television. I really am. One of my close friends is indigenous. The stories she has told me.. wow.. :-( Yeah. Yeah, it's... Yeah. It's why we have to remember.
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Post by theother on Oct 24, 2018 12:40:21 GMT
For those wondering, there really is an asteroid named after Rosa Parks.
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Post by mark687 on Oct 24, 2018 13:23:06 GMT
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