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Post by newt5996 on Feb 27, 2016 12:18:30 GMT
This audio is absolutely hated but I'm curious if it has any fans
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 13:38:14 GMT
It's a guilty pleasure for me. The first episode could be largely excised without losing nary a jot of the narrative, but I love the atmosphere of it all to pieces. It's part of that intriguing grimmer side to the Doctor Who universe that we don't see so often anymore. For good and for ill.
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Post by mark687 on Feb 27, 2016 14:24:52 GMT
its extreme for the sake of being extreme. The last EP is absolute Twaddle.
It wouldn't get approved now and I don't know how it got approved then.
Regards
mark687
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Post by christmastrenzalore on Feb 27, 2016 14:44:44 GMT
I've listened to it twice, and I really can't tell what's going on in the story at all. It all just seems like noise.
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Post by omega on Feb 27, 2016 22:01:02 GMT
At least the characterisation of the Fifth Doctor, Peri and Erimem is somewhat consistent with how they are usually portrayed. That fact alone lifts it above what I believe to be the absolute worst story in either Big Finish or Doctor Who. Care to guess which one that is?
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Feb 27, 2016 22:56:48 GMT
At least the characterisation of the Fifth Doctor, Peri and Erimem is somewhat consistent with how they are usually portrayed. That fact alone lifts it above what I believe to be the absolute worst story in either Big Finish or Doctor Who. Care to guess which one that is? 106, perhaps? |
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Post by Star Platinum on Feb 27, 2016 22:59:42 GMT
At least the characterisation of the Fifth Doctor, Peri and Erimem is somewhat consistent with how they are usually portrayed. That fact alone lifts it above what I believe to be the absolute worst story in either Big Finish or Doctor Who. Care to guess which one that is? Fear her? A Big Hand for the Doctor? The Gunfighters? |
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Post by omega on Feb 27, 2016 23:56:58 GMT
At least the characterisation of the Fifth Doctor, Peri and Erimem is somewhat consistent with how they are usually portrayed. That fact alone lifts it above what I believe to be the absolute worst story in either Big Finish or Doctor Who. Care to guess which one that is? 106, perhaps? Bingo! The story of the dark husband and the shining wife, with imaginative names such as Ir and Ri. I promise not to refund you for your broken Sarcamometers. |
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Post by kimalysong on Feb 28, 2016 1:31:46 GMT
I haven't heard this or Dark Husband and I was going to ask which people thought was worst.
I guess I got my answer!
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Post by gregm on Feb 28, 2016 1:52:23 GMT
Like the chronologically adjacent story 'The Axis of Insanity', this story has such an over the top laughing villain that there is absolutely nothing that can make it listenable. And it's not like it had a good storyline in the first place...
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Post by omega on Feb 28, 2016 2:16:24 GMT
Like the chronologically adjacent story 'The Axis of Insanity', this story has such an over the top laughing villain that there is absolutely nothing that can make it listenable. And it's not like it had a good storyline in the first place... Axis of Insanity has a fun aspect to it, and some good character growth for Erimem. At least it's not a Fifth Doctor story trying to be a Seventh Doctor New Adventure. No really, Nekromanteia fits in with the Future setting the New Adventures established that's highly cynical and corrupt. There's even the highly dodgy sex scene, ie the rape. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 3:01:15 GMT
Like the chronologically adjacent story 'The Axis of Insanity', this story has such an over the top laughing villain that there is absolutely nothing that can make it listenable. And it's not like it had a good storyline in the first place... Axis of Insanity has a fun aspect to it, and some good character growth for Erimem. At least it's not a Fifth Doctor story trying to be a Seventh Doctor New Adventure. No really, Nekromanteia fits in with the Future setting the New Adventures established that's highly cynical and corrupt. There's even the highly dodgy sex scene, ie the rape. The only real issue with Axis was that it failed to capitalise on some of its concepts, it felt unusually unambitious for a story that provides such an imaginative cornerstone to Gallifreyan society. If you swapped out Five for Seven, Peri for Benny and Erimem for Ace, the whole thing would have fit rather snugly into the Earth Empire of the New Adventures. Conversely, if you swapped Seven for Five, Benny for Peri, Ace for Erimem and had them all arrive together in The Dark Flame, it would have fit rather snugly between The Church and the Crown and The Axis of Insanity at as a Fifth Doctor adventure. Although, it would mean that Peri is possessed again. To be honest, I don't think you really miss much if you skip from Nekromanteia to the seemingly flawless The Council of Nicaeca. |
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Post by elkawho on Feb 28, 2016 4:52:28 GMT
Nekromanteia and The Dark Husband are the only two BF audios that I plan to never waste my money buying, or my time listening.
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Post by anothermanicmondas on Feb 28, 2016 13:41:36 GMT
Axis of Insanity has a fun aspect to it, and some good character growth for Erimem. At least it's not a Fifth Doctor story trying to be a Seventh Doctor New Adventure. No really, Nekromanteia fits in with the Future setting the New Adventures established that's highly cynical and corrupt. There's even the highly dodgy sex scene, ie the rape. The only real issue with Axis was that it failed to capitalise on some of its concepts, it felt unusually unambitious for a story that provides such an imaginative cornerstone to Gallifreyan society. If you swapped out Five for Seven, Peri for Benny and Erimem for Ace, the whole thing would have fit rather snugly into the Earth Empire of the New Adventures. Conversely, if you swapped Seven for Five, Benny for Peri, Ace for Erimem and had them all arrive together in The Dark Flame, it would have fit rather snugly between The Church and the Crown and The Axis of Insanity at as a Fifth Doctor adventure. Although, it would mean that Peri is possessed again. To be honest, I don't think you really miss much if you skip from Nekromanteia to the seemingly flawless The Council of Nicaeca. I get the impressions that the producers try to tone down the ambitions of writers and keep the story simple. Axis of Insanity was originally conceived as 5 and Nyssa, but the Nyssa and Adric plot got cut from the story and the rest reworked with Peri and Erimem (I believe Council of Nicaeca was originally plotted with aliens interfering) |
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Post by elgranto on Feb 28, 2016 18:35:15 GMT
Nekromanteia is one of those releases I've avoided based solely on it's reputation. Though it's probably best if I form my own opinion.
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Post by agentten on Feb 28, 2016 19:04:41 GMT
I avoided Nekromanteia based on its reputation for a long time, too. Eventually, I had a copy of it fall into my possession and I thought to myself, "Well, it can't be that bad," after all, I love Five and Peri stories. I was so wrong. I've yet to hear The Dark Husband but I'm much more wary of it than I would have been before hearing Nekromanteia.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2016 20:36:37 GMT
The only real issue with Axis was that it failed to capitalise on some of its concepts, it felt unusually unambitious for a story that provides such an imaginative cornerstone to Gallifreyan society. If you swapped out Five for Seven, Peri for Benny and Erimem for Ace, the whole thing would have fit rather snugly into the Earth Empire of the New Adventures. Conversely, if you swapped Seven for Five, Benny for Peri, Ace for Erimem and had them all arrive together in The Dark Flame, it would have fit rather snugly between The Church and the Crown and The Axis of Insanity as a Fifth Doctor adventure. Although, it would mean that Peri is possessed again. To be honest, I don't think you really miss much if you skip from Nekromanteia to the seemingly flawless The Council of Nicaeca. I get the impressions that the producers try to tone down the ambitions of writers and keep the story simple. Axis of Insanity was originally conceived as 5 and Nyssa, but the Nyssa and Adric plot got cut from the story and the rest reworked with Peri and Erimem (I believe Council of Nicaeca was originally plotted with aliens interfering) Admittedly some are better at hiding the change than the others. It wouldn't take much convincing for me to acknowledge that Winter for the Adept was originally slated for Five/Six and Peri, unlike The Marian Conspiracy which I know for a fact was originally devised for Six/Peri. Similarly, I think The Council of Nicaea seemed to pull off its new angle a lot more than The Axis of Insanity, which seemed to almost run out of steam a third of the way through. Then again, Axis might be one of those stories like The Brood of Erys that would have worked better as a three-parter instead. |
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Post by jason on Mar 1, 2016 18:11:58 GMT
Nice ideas in this story - witches vs. corporate soldiers, a scientist creating Heaven - but immature, in my opinion, and badly needing a few more drafts. Well-edited, it might have made a nice story.
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 1, 2016 22:21:33 GMT
Awful story & way to graphic, I'm all for gore & horror in Doctor Who but Erimem vicious attack left me feeling sickened.
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Post by mrperson on Mar 5, 2016 16:59:29 GMT
This audio is absolutely hated but I'm curious if it has any fans I don't hate it. I don't love it. It definitely did things other episodes don't: The whole bit with "a man is looking at Peri.......naked!" was weird. The implied rape or attempted rape (I was never quite certain, but I think it was only supposed to be attempted) was also off, for Who. But, at the same time, it strikes me the same way as the rare companion death: if a really bad thing happens in one episode, then the suspense in all episodes works better. The Doctor suffering a violent death. Peri watching someone get their tongue and then heart ripped out. Many think it's too dark and grim, but I appreciate that from time to time. However, grimness has been done better in other episodes. (The Settling, etc) Still, it wasn't all that compelling for me either. |
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