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Post by redsharkJason on Mar 10, 2016 5:12:36 GMT
it would be all too easy for them to be broken on the way Rest assured Big Finish would reputably cover the buyer. And, I suspect Big Finish will be exercising extra care packing these expensive LP merchandises for the benefit of them the seller and their customers. Out of curiosity, I checked the Canadian postage contribution for The Chimes of Midnight LP and it's a costly £15 (and that fee was probably even mitigated). So it does logically seem that Big Finish is taking the extra precautions to protect their LP products until they safely arrive on their customer's doorsteps. In comparison, The Tenth Doctor Adventures 5CD LE shipping cost is £3.
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Post by jarod on Mar 10, 2016 7:41:25 GMT
A year ago, I would've bought both these discs as the completionist in me was in total charge. Now I can't believe that I would've been prepared to waste so much money on stories I already have on CD and download. This kind of thing makes me feel very disappointed in Big Finish and it makes me believe that they are a business, no different to any other kind of business – despite what they've implied in the past.
I don't believe in illegal downloads, but when things like this happen I have some sympathy for those people who will head to torrent sites and download the extras when they become available. When one side rips you off, you can't really blame the other side for doing the same. Although I have to say, not having these new extras won't affect my life or my pleasure in Doctor Who one iota! And I have £168 now to spend on more meaningful merchandise!!!
But that's just me. I am happy for those who want them and can afford them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 7:46:37 GMT
Not for me, I'm afraid - far, far, far too pricey, although I suppose vinyl does add a nice extra layer to the atomosphere of both stories and the new cover for Chimes is fantastic.
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Post by Timelord007 on Mar 10, 2016 7:52:41 GMT
I didn't know Big Finish had become farmers, milking there fans into purchasing LIMITED EDITION VINYL for a WHOOPING £79 each.
You guys & girls no I'm a huge Doctor Who fan but theres more chance me giving Fantastic Four reboot a five star review than purchasing this latest cash cow.
Why couldn't they reissue these two popular titles on CD for £20?
DEFINITELY NOT ON MY SHOPPING LIST.
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Post by elgranto on Mar 10, 2016 7:59:39 GMT
The new artwork for Chimes looks fabulous, so I think I'll download that. Never mind the vinyl.
EDIT: Speaking of artwork, the new cover for Spare Parts should look amazing if Chimes is anything to go by. Something a little more gritty than the one we currently have (not to say the original is bad per say, just that it doesn't do the story enough justice, IMO).
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Post by grazey on Mar 10, 2016 9:43:03 GMT
I didn't know Big Finish had become farmers, milking there fans into purchasing LIMITED EDITION VINYL for a WHOOPING £79 each. You guys & girls no I'm a huge Doctor Who fan but theres more chance me giving Fantastic Four reboot a five star review than purchasing this latest cash cow. Why couldn't they reissue these two popular titles on CD for £20? DEFINITELY NOT ON MY SHOPPING LIST. To be fair I think this tells you more about how pricey the vinyl market is in 2016 rather than big finish milking it's fans. When you have the likes of queen selling a box set at 350 the Beatles at 300 Bowie and Metallica at 200 Zeppelin and floyd at 100 it makes you see that chimes and spare parts are on the lower end of the scale of crazy vinyl prices when it comes to special overpriced limited collectors edition
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Post by ljwilson on Mar 10, 2016 12:24:39 GMT
Oddly enough, im due to buy a record player during the summer as a treat to myself - the Project Elemental, very simple and stylish. I'll have to pass on these due to the cost but they do look nice.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 14:07:20 GMT
This kind of thing makes me feel very disappointed in Big Finish and it makes me believe that they are a business, no different to any other kind of business That's the point, that's exactly what Big Finish are; a business... and the aim of any business is to make money. Big Fnish release products, people can buy them or not buy them.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on Mar 10, 2016 14:13:03 GMT
I have a LP player, have had for years, but i do find these a bit too pricey sadly. I would love to have them but price wise i cant
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Post by Digi on Mar 10, 2016 16:59:37 GMT
And thus begins a debate/argument between the completionist and realist sides of me. Completionist: Can I get this please? Please?! Realist: No. Completionist: Why not? Realist: We don't even have a record player? Completionist: That didn't stop us buying the Light at the End on vinyl. Realist: That was only £7.99 due to a misprice on Amazon. Completionist: We got the Pescatons on vinyl too recently. Realist: Also dead cheap from eBay. These are £79. Each! Completionist: We also have a Radiohead album on vinyl. Maybe this expense would finally make us buy a record player. Realist: I'll think about it. Who will win? My money's on completionist me. This is alarmingly close to my own thought process. You even mentioned the bloody Radiohead record! But for me, I think cost will win out here. £79 is obscenely expensive, particularly after conversion to the currently godawful Canadian dollar. Much as I'd love to get these, the cost is just inarguably prohibitive (for me).
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Post by redsharkJason on Mar 10, 2016 17:32:39 GMT
I sadly don't own a turntable anymore, so consequently I won't be purchasing any of the Big Finish LPs. It's too painful for me to start a record collection again after foolishly giving all my albums away 25 years ago. I really do miss the unique sounds of LP records though.
For some reason, I'm convinced that special editions of The Chimes of Midnight and Spare Parts will be eventually released on CD and digital formats. If it doesn't happen, that will be reality and I will survive without those extras.
As someone that enjoys listening to the extras, there's never a guarantee that the supplemental material will be even worth listening to (sometimes memorable/sometimes not), let alone spending a large sum of money to specifically have access to them.
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Post by alanhayes on Mar 10, 2016 17:41:27 GMT
I'm a long time collector of vinyl, but these are far too rich for me...
Nice idea, ludicrous prices.
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Post by jasonward on Mar 10, 2016 17:51:07 GMT
lol, a true collectors item. Well... yeah, it's only point is to put these in a display case and look at them, to play them is to destroy the collectables side of things, and if I want to listen to plays I have downloads.
Probably wrongly so, but I feel quite smug and content that these do not excite me, but just leave me in wonderment at those that are excited by them.
Not for me.
As for BF and sharp practices or otherwise, I don't see this as a cynical move, you can buy them or not and still have access to the same content, but if people are willing to pay for this kind of stuff why would BF not produce them?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 19:08:25 GMT
lol, a true collectors item. Well... yeah, it's only point is to put these in a display case and look at them, to play them is to destroy the collectables side of things, and if I want to listen to plays I have downloads. Probably wrongly so, but I feel quite smug and content that these do not excite me, but just leave me in wonderment at those that are excited by them. Not for me. As for BF and sharp practices or otherwise, I don't see this as a cynical move, you can buy them or not and still have access to the same content, but if people are willing to pay for this kind of stuff why would BF not produce them? I think the problem people have is the exclusive content that's being mentioned. So if you decide the price is too high for you there is content you won't get to hear.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 21:36:18 GMT
I sadly don't own a turntable anymore, so consequently I won't be purchasing any of the Big Finish LPs. It's too painful for me to start a record collection again after foolishly giving all my albums away 25 years ago. I came oh so close to getting rid of my records when I moved house in 2005, but despite the missus saying [nagging] that you'll never play them, they take up too much space etc., I said I'd keep them as they might be worth something one day and/or the kids could have the burden of trying to sell them... then the vinyl mini-revival happened and I find myself in 2016 still playing my 1986 Elektra 'Master of Puppets' LP more than the tinny soundng CD! So by luck more than anything else I still have every record that I ever purchased, includng an ABBA album from the mid 70's that I don't remember buying at all and I still think my sister shoved it in my rack when she left home. (She swears she didn't of course!) For some reason, I'm convinced that special editions of The Chimes of Midnight and Spare Parts will be eventually released on CD and digital formats. If it doesn't happen, that will be reality and I will survive without those extras. I reckon there should be a Big Finish 'Main Range Classics' series of 'special edition' releases on CD of the most popular Doctor Who stories. As it is strange that you can buy those two top rated stories on vinyl, but not on CD. So if it isn't on the Big Finish agenda, it should be. They are timeless stories and will be popular for many years to come.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Mar 10, 2016 22:02:06 GMT
And people complained that the Prisoner was expensive.
Thankfully I have no interest in vinyl with prices like those my wallet would rebel and have me shot. Though I will inherit a significant collect of vinyl - 78's and 45's. I'll also get my dad's 8-track collection.
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Post by omega on Mar 10, 2016 23:43:33 GMT
Pros:- Available as a physical release again
- New bonus features
- Great cover artwork
- Has collectors appeal
Cons:- Price, including shipping (justified as vinyl is more fragile than regular CDs)
- Vinyl format limited by playback (need record player and vinyl isn't the most durable medium)
- New bonus features seemingly exclusive to expensive non-digital vinyl format
Suggestions:Include a regular CD option with the new features CD can include new cover as the cover for the back of the CD booklet Have a digital download option for the vinyl to make the new features more readily available
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Post by bohnny on Mar 11, 2016 2:10:13 GMT
Surely repressing a limited run of popular stories as CDs would be better, as far more people can play CDs and it would work out a lot more cheaper for individual customers, not to mention easier to send out. As mentioned above, vinyl can be fragile and record players aren't as readily available as CD players. But rereleasing it in physical form isn't really the point, surely. It's about tapping the collectors market (or perhaps checking whether there is such a market for BF stuff). Limited rereleases of vinyl are pretty collectible objects, I gather. IIRC, there was a suggestion made on the old forum that something like this could be done - around the time that light at the end was announced. so I suspect this is testing the water a bit. Obvs the 50th anniversary vinyl was popular enough to sell out (bought one myself), but time will tell whether the market is there for other less 'historic' releases.
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Post by redsharkJason on Mar 11, 2016 7:00:56 GMT
I sadly don't own a turntable anymore, so consequently I won't be purchasing any of the Big Finish LPs. It's too painful for me to start a record collection again after foolishly giving all my albums away 25 years ago. I came oh so close to getting rid of my records when I moved house in 2005, but despite the missus saying [nagging] that you'll never play them, they take up too much space etc., I said I'd keep them as they might be worth something one day and/or the kids could have the burden of trying to sell them... then the vinyl mini-revival happened and I find myself in 2016 still playing my 1986 Elektra 'Master of Puppets' LP more than the tinny soundng CD! So by luck more than anything else I still have every record that I ever purchased, includng an ABBA album from the mid 70's that I don't remember buying at all and I still think my sister shoved it in my rack when she left home. (She swears she didn't of course!) I'm not ashamed to admit that I dearly miss my ABBA and Village People LP records! The '70s disco sound is best served on vinyl. CD recordings are tinny (like you say) and sometimes inappropriately too polished sounding. I feel your passion on wanting some of the "best of the best" Main Range stories on vinyl. It's a niche market product and you clearly understand that one has to be prepared to payout for it. We have both sometimes grumbled about Big Finish pricing in the past (e.g. Philip Hinchcliffe Presents). I've now amended my viewpoint about that release being expensive - I'll gladly pay whatever Big Finish asks for another Hinchcliffe Fourth Doctor outing! The moral is to be grateful for the options. Genesis of the Daleks being re-released on blue 180 gram vinyl, limited to 750 copies will also be a fantastic option for those wishing to pursue having one. My Vintage Beeb version of it on CD will have to do for me. Mark Ayres did a wonderful job of digitally remastering that CD from the original 1979 LP.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 11:29:48 GMT
I feel your passion on wanting some of the "best of the best" Main Range stories on vinyl. It's a niche market product and you clearly understand that one has to be prepared to payout for it. We have both sometimes grumbled about Big Finish pricing in the past (e.g. Philip Hinchcliffe Presents). I've now amended my viewpoint about that release being expensive - I'll gladly pay whatever Big Finish asks for another Hinchcliffe Fourth Doctor outing! The moral is to be grateful for the options. I'd like to see those on CD too! For me, those Main Range classics (like Chimes of Midnight and Spare Parts) should never be out of print and download only, they are classic Doctor Who audio stories that Big Finish have every right to be proud of. So in 2016 they are just ripe for Special Edition CD re-releases with new extras and updated artwork... If Big Finish can't milk their back catalogue, who can?
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