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Post by omega on Mar 30, 2016 6:08:15 GMT
I don't think there's really any reason to as long as Katy Manning is still around, but I wouldn't be against it. If they did recast Sarah though, it would be nice if they also included her in the Fourth Doctor Adventures, and created a Sarah Jane Adventures range. I agree with you about adding a recast Sarah Jane into the Fourth Doctor Adventures, but I don't know if there would be much interest in a SJA range without Liz Sladen. But I agree with your initial point; there's no need to have Sarah Jane in a Third Doctor series. I don't think Sarah Jane should be recast. Liz Sladen has had a relatively large presence as Sarah Jane both in audios and on TV during and after the Wilderness Years. She had her own Big Finish spin-off in Sarah Jane Smith and her own TV spin-off in Sarah Jane Adventures and appeared in TV episodes with David Tennant as the Tenth Doctor. Characters who have been recast have actors who have been gone a while, with Big Finish doing the best they can getting around the absence of those characters to the point that recasting is almost necessary to do anything new. Jacqueline Hill, Michael Craze and Jon Pertwee also haven't had the chance to work with Big Finish or have a big presence in Doctor Who after they were on the show or the classic series concluded (Pertwee did do a couple of BBC radio plays written by Barry Letts). There was a minor uproar when Liz Shaw was recast in an independent spin-off, PROBE or something like that, a few years after Caroline John died. Granted it was only on a few internet forums, but still it shows the sentiment people have when it comes to recasting not handled carefully. Big Finish handle recasting of these big roles very sensitively, and for stories involved it doesn't appear to be an issue for colleagues of the original actors or listeners. While Liz Sladen's sad passing in 2011 means we won't get any full cast Fourth Doctor and Sarah stories (BF was just finalising terms with Tom when the news came), I don't think we should be recasting her. That's just the vibe of the thing.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 30, 2016 6:11:48 GMT
Deadly Assassin suggests that the decayed form is what happens when you force a regeneration past the thirteenth body, but it could just as easily be the Master in his thirteenth body refusing to die and just rotting. So if that's the case, then there was a Pratt/Beevers Master who wasn't a cadaver, he just ended up that way eventually. But then why would he have gone back to being Beevers after he lost Bruce's body? Same reason as why when the tenth Doctor regenerated the first time he made sure his next body was the same - massive ego. Basically, the Beeversform was the last "real Master" before a succession of stolen bodies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 10:43:37 GMT
But then why would he have gone back to being Beevers after he lost Bruce's body? Same reason as why when the tenth Doctor regenerated the first time he made sure his next body was the same - massive ego. Basically, the Beeversform was the last "real Master" before a succession of stolen bodies. I'd buy that. The Master is something of a smug egotist.
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Post by dasmaniac on Mar 30, 2016 15:24:47 GMT
Deadly Assassin suggests that the decayed form is what happens when you force a regeneration past the thirteenth body, but it could just as easily be the Master in his thirteenth body refusing to die and just rotting. So if that's the case, then there was a Pratt/Beevers Master who wasn't a cadaver, he just ended up that way eventually. But then why would he have gone back to being Beevers after he lost Bruce's body? That was his last biological incarnation. Everything from Tremas up until the Macqueen Master are stolen bodies. The Macqueen Master marks the beginning of a new regeneration cycle. Because the Beevers Master can't regenerate, each body he steals will eventually up reverting back to the decaying form. That's why he sought out the Keeper powers. Tremas' body never decayed as a result. At some point there probably was a normal looking Beevers Master. His decay was likely due to a combination of things. Not only had he used up all of his regenerations but he was desperate to prolong his life. He probably performed experiments to prolong his life but ultimately failed, thereby probably damaging himself.
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Post by dastari on Mar 30, 2016 17:20:10 GMT
But then why would he have gone back to being Beevers after he lost Bruce's body? That was his last biological incarnation. Everything from Tremas up until the Macqueen Master are stolen bodies. The Macqueen Master marks the beginning of a new regeneration cycle. Because the Beevers Master can't regenerate, each body he steals will eventually up reverting back to the decaying form. That's why he sought out the Keeper powers. Tremas' body never decayed as a result. At some point there probably was a normal looking Beevers Master. His decay was likely due to a combination of things. Not only had he used up all of his regenerations but he was desperate to prolong his life. He probably performed experiments to prolong his life but ultimately failed, thereby probably damaging himself. Based on what Goth says, I always assumed that he was on Tersurus when they discovered fire.
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Post by icecreamdf on Mar 30, 2016 17:30:59 GMT
But then why would he have gone back to being Beevers after he lost Bruce's body? Same reason as why when the tenth Doctor regenerated the first time he made sure his next body was the same - massive ego. Basically, the Beeversform was the last "real Master" before a succession of stolen bodies. Well, we don't know whether or not Tipple was a "real Master."
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Post by typeforty on Mar 30, 2016 17:37:15 GMT
That was his last biological incarnation. Everything from Tremas up until the Macqueen Master are stolen bodies. The Macqueen Master marks the beginning of a new regeneration cycle. Because the Beevers Master can't regenerate, each body he steals will eventually up reverting back to the decaying form. That's why he sought out the Keeper powers. Tremas' body never decayed as a result. At some point there probably was a normal looking Beevers Master. His decay was likely due to a combination of things. Not only had he used up all of his regenerations but he was desperate to prolong his life. He probably performed experiments to prolong his life but ultimately failed, thereby probably damaging himself. Based on what Goth says, I always assumed that he was on Tersurus when they discovered fire. I always liked the 8th Dr novel Legacy of the Daleks explanation- that Susan channeled all her resentment and anger through his TARDIS's telepathic circuits and blasted him to hell and back, then stranded him on Tersurus.
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Post by dasmaniac on Mar 30, 2016 19:05:07 GMT
Same reason as why when the tenth Doctor regenerated the first time he made sure his next body was the same - massive ego. Basically, the Beeversform was the last "real Master" before a succession of stolen bodies. Well, we don't know whether or not Tipple was a "real Master." If no one else does, I'll gladly send a question about this into the podcast. I would definitely wait until this Master trilogy is over. Big Finish has promised that some explanations are coming up. I'm not expecting Tipple to be considered a "real Master' though. They alluded to Macqueen being the first new regeneration so I think they consider Tipple to be another stolen body.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 19:53:02 GMT
Well, we don't know whether or not Tipple was a "real Master." If no one else does, I'll gladly send a question about this into the podcast. I would definitely wait until this Master trilogy is over. Big Finish has promised that some explanations are coming up. I'm not expecting Tipple to be considered a "real Master' though. They alluded to Macqueen being the first new regeneration so I think they consider Tipple to be another stolen body. It would be good to know their view. I think of him as a stolen body between Ainley and the Morphant, but that doesn't make him any less a real Master, witness Ainley himself.
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Post by icecreamdf on Mar 30, 2016 21:45:23 GMT
If no one else does, I'll gladly send a question about this into the podcast. I would definitely wait until this Master trilogy is over. Big Finish has promised that some explanations are coming up. I'm not expecting Tipple to be considered a "real Master' though. They alluded to Macqueen being the first new regeneration so I think they consider Tipple to be another stolen body. It would be good to know their view. I think of him as a stolen body between Ainley and the Morphant, but that doesn't make him any less a real Master, witness Ainley himself. I think he just meant "real Master" in the sense that it is the Master's real, Time Lord body. Obviously, Ainley and Roberts both really did play the Master.
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Post by Sir Wearer of Hats on Mar 30, 2016 22:35:22 GMT
I'm of the opinion that the Tpple Master was the first victim of the Deathworm Morphant, he never possessed the body long enough for it to begin to Beeversform (same with Eric Roberts), whereas the various Don Maestro bodies all Beeversforned because he possessed them for decades, not days like Bruce the Ambo.
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Post by dasmaniac on Mar 30, 2016 22:37:53 GMT
It would be good to know their view. I think of him as a stolen body between Ainley and the Morphant, but that doesn't make him any less a real Master, witness Ainley himself. I think he just meant "real Master" in the sense that it is the Master's real, Time Lord body. Obviously, Ainley and Roberts both really did play the Master. Yeah, The Tremas Master and "Bruce" are stolen bodies. As of now it appears to be the same case with the Tipple Master. They're not actual incarnations because The Master didn't regenerate into them. He was body hopping instead.
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Post by omega on Mar 31, 2016 0:33:17 GMT
I think he just meant "real Master" in the sense that it is the Master's real, Time Lord body. Obviously, Ainley and Roberts both really did play the Master. Yeah, The Tremas Master and "Bruce" are stolen bodies. As of now it appears to be the same case with the Tipple Master. They're not actual incarnations because The Master didn't regenerate into them. He was body hopping instead. As the Ainley Master responds to the Third Doctor's remark about how he's regenerated, "Not exactly".
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Post by iank on Mar 31, 2016 1:21:39 GMT
I'm just not sure about the whole endeavor, to be honest. I also think it's a terrible shame they've decided to go down this route now, instead of in the 00s when we could at least have had Nick back as the Brig (how many times did they use this iconic actor in the range? Three times, I think. And now it's too late. What a waste. )
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2016 5:40:16 GMT
I'm of the opinion that the Tpple Master was the first victim of the Deathworm Morphant, he never possessed the body long enough for it to begin to Beeversform (same with Eric Roberts), whereas the various Don Maestro bodies all Beeversforned because he possessed them for decades, not days like Bruce the Ambo. And while you could be right, Big Finish are never averse to crowbarring in a whole series of stories where we never even realised there was a gap. he could have possessed that body for years.
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Post by CookieMaster on Mar 31, 2016 7:20:23 GMT
I'm of the opinion that the Tpple Master was the first victim of the Deathworm Morphant, he never possessed the body long enough for it to begin to Beeversform (same with Eric Roberts), whereas the various Don Maestro bodies all Beeversforned because he possessed them for decades, not days like Bruce the Ambo. Maybe continued use of the Deathworm accelerates the decay of a body, so if Tipple was the primary host he could have lasted a bit longer? I was thinking too, perhaps Big Finish could even rework First Frontier into a Deathworm Origins story, with Major Kreer (played by Tipple) being a real person who was a naive ally of the Master and eventually became his first victim. Just replace Tzun nanites with Deathworm eggs(?) and the story could be relatively the same. On the subject of The Third Doctor Adventures, maybe the reintroduction of Sam Kisgart could imply that Big Finish are reluctant to do anything with the Master in the prime continuity but are more than happy to have further Master adventures with the alternate Third Doctor?
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Post by Zagreus on Apr 1, 2016 17:45:46 GMT
Terry Molloy does the reading for the audiobook releases of the newish Lethbridge-Stewart series, and he does a fairly decent job of conveying The Brigadier. I don't know if I'd want him for a recast, but getting him to do the narration (should they change their mind and continue forward with it) so that when there's a narrated Brig scene there's a passable job of him would certainly make me smile.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 1, 2016 21:31:01 GMT
Terry Molloy does the reading for the audiobook releases of the newish Lethbridge-Stewart series, and he does a fairly decent job of conveying The Brigadier. I don't know if I'd want him for a recast, but getting him to do the narration (should they change their mind and continue forward with it) so that when there's a narrated Brig scene there's a passable job of him would certainly make me smile. Are there any archival recordings of Nicholas Courtney they could use? That would be one way they could do it.
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Post by dasmaniac on Apr 1, 2016 22:16:48 GMT
Terry Molloy does the reading for the audiobook releases of the newish Lethbridge-Stewart series, and he does a fairly decent job of conveying The Brigadier. I don't know if I'd want him for a recast, but getting him to do the narration (should they change their mind and continue forward with it) so that when there's a narrated Brig scene there's a passable job of him would certainly make me smile. I would definitely be OK with Terry Molloy taking over for Nicholas Courtney. Or Big Finish could as I have suggested and that is to have The Third Doctor work with a UNIT just slightly in the future. That early 80's UNIT we saw in The Five Doctors would be neat. That's an unexplored era of UNIT's history.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2016 7:17:56 GMT
Terry Molloy does the reading for the audiobook releases of the newish Lethbridge-Stewart series, and he does a fairly decent job of conveying The Brigadier. I don't know if I'd want him for a recast, but getting him to do the narration (should they change their mind and continue forward with it) so that when there's a narrated Brig scene there's a passable job of him would certainly make me smile. Are there any archival recordings of Nicholas Courtney they could use? That would be one way they could do it. I've often thought of trying to edit in archival recordings into some of the companion chronicles, especially for Jon and Nick. Much of their dialogue is generic (or deliberately calls back to TV dialogue). If JJ Abrams can do it in Star Wars, and Moffat in DOTD, then why not
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