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Post by dalekbuster523finish on Apr 24, 2016 19:48:23 GMT
This is the only forum I frequent regarding Doctor Who, because it is free of the relentless mass negativity elsewhere. I love the show with a passion, in all its incarnations. But I have to be honest - the clip did nothing to inspire a great deal of confidence. After all the work that went in to making the Daleks scary again back in 2005, here they are presented as something for the new companion to laugh at. I don't like that at all. It's too early to judge Pearl's acting from that clip, but she seems to be spouting the same sardonic comedy lines that were given to Amy and Clara. (Pouts. Eyebrow raised. "Why do they say exterminate? Why can't they just say kill, it'd be quicker?"). I wish her well and I hope I'll like her. But her promise to bring a bit of 'attitude' into the Tardis doesn't inspire confidence, and I'm sorry to say that. It was only a two minute clip. Give her a chance!
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Post by elgranto on Apr 24, 2016 19:51:36 GMT
In regard to the clip, I feel that the Daleks need to be retired from the program once Chibnall takes over. They're so overused at this point - and watered down - that they've practically become parodies of themselves, like the toy soldier Daleks from Jubilee. Just seeing them on screen blaring "exterminate" every two seconds is enough to remind me why I stopped watching NuWho to begin with.
Anyway, we have another contemporary British girl in her 20's to look forward to. Oh joy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 19:57:35 GMT
I would say the problem is that that was the two minute clip that they used.
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Post by constonks on Apr 24, 2016 20:29:07 GMT
In regard to the clip, I feel that the Daleks need to be retired from the program once Chibnall takes over. I would love a four-to-five year break from the Daleks like the ones after Evil and Genesis, or even a return to the JNT quota of one-Dalek-story-per-Doctor. But I doubt that would happen. Daleks are too merchandisable and too recognisable by non-fans to throw them away as a go-to icon for the show. I'd just rather they not waste a whole episode every year on them. Something like The Pandorica Opens where they appear in passing would be better, if we haaave to have them show up once a year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 20:35:30 GMT
In regard to the clip, I feel that the Daleks need to be retired from the program once Chibnall takes over. I would love a four-to-five year break from the Daleks like the ones after Evil and Genesis, or even a return to the JNT quota of one-Dalek-story-per-Doctor. But I doubt that would happen. Daleks are too merchandisable and too recognisable by non-fans to throw them away as a go-to icon for the show. I'd just rather they not waste a whole episode every year on them. Something like The Pandorica Opens where they appear in passing would be better, if we haaave to have them show up once a year. How about they start using the Master like they did in Perwee's era, use the Cybermen every so often, bring back UNIT twice a season, Zygons sometimes, spontaneous mid-70s monster sometime and (considering the new producer is Chibnall) the Silurians and Sea-Devils every other season, but give the Daleks a rest for three years, so on the next Doctor's 2nd or 3rd season he'll have something to bring in a good audience.
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Post by constonks on Apr 24, 2016 20:48:19 GMT
I would love a four-to-five year break from the Daleks like the ones after Evil and Genesis, or even a return to the JNT quota of one-Dalek-story-per-Doctor. But I doubt that would happen. Daleks are too merchandisable and too recognisable by non-fans to throw them away as a go-to icon for the show. I'd just rather they not waste a whole episode every year on them. Something like The Pandorica Opens where they appear in passing would be better, if we haaave to have them show up once a year. How about they start using the Master like they did in Perwee's era, use the Cybermen every so often, bring back UNIT twice a season, Zygons sometimes, spontaneous mid-70s monster sometime and (considering the new producer is Chibnall) the Silurians and Sea-Devils every other season, but give the Daleks a rest for three years, so on the next Doctor's 2nd or 3rd season he'll have something to bring in a good audience. I really want Chibnall to do something new with the format and rhythm of the show, but failing that he could do worse than emulating Letts and Hinchcliffe.
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Post by coffeeaddict on Apr 24, 2016 22:49:41 GMT
Frankly, the clip doesn't inspire much confidence of this being a companion I want to see last very long. Hopefully this is just a case of having chosen a clip that really doesn't do a good job of representing Bill - otherwise it looks like Donna could be unseated as the new series companion I dislike the most.
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Post by elgranto on Apr 24, 2016 22:58:44 GMT
In regard to the clip, I feel that the Daleks need to be retired from the program once Chibnall takes over. I would love a four-to-five year break from the Daleks like the ones after Evil and Genesis, or even a return to the JNT quota of one-Dalek-story-per-Doctor. But I doubt that would happen. Daleks are too merchandisable and too recognisable by non-fans to throw them away as a go-to icon for the show. I'd just rather they not waste a whole episode every year on them. Something like The Pandorica Opens where they appear in passing would be better, if we haaave to have them show up once a year. It bothers me how DW is becoming more and more of a brand for commercial interests than it is a medium for good storytelling. The fact that the Daleks have appeared every year since the revival tells me that the Cardiff team is more intent on merchandising than they are with using the Daleks effectively in the episodes they're featured in. It's all part of that sad logic in marketing where if something works you keep churning it out, with little to no alteration, until people get sick of it. Hence why the companion is, surprise surprise, yet another mid-twenties British girl from modern Earth. Eleven years on, DW is still following the Rose model. Unless Chibnall can inject some life into the program, it's only a matter of time before DW recycles itself to death IMO.
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Post by constonks on Apr 24, 2016 23:11:10 GMT
The show does manage to change here and there (Tennant and Smith had some similarities but grew more different over time and Capaldi was a breath of fresh air from the start) but yeah, Daleks, the same companion archetype... Something needs to feel drastically different at some point in the next two or three years.
Someone needs to take a risk.
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Post by elgranto on Apr 25, 2016 2:55:00 GMT
The show does manage to change here and there (Tennant and Smith had some similarities but grew more different over time and Capaldi was a breath of fresh air from the start) but yeah, Daleks, the same companion archetype... Something needs to feel drastically different at some point in the next two or three years. Someone needs to take a risk. Exactly. We need someone with the boldness to break away from tired formulas and bring something fresh to the table. For a show that can, theoretically, go anywhere it wants to, it sure does feel stale at the moment. Stubag's posted a new video that's sort-of related to this discussion: link
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Post by Ela on Apr 25, 2016 3:35:02 GMT
Only Doctor Who fans could be so negative about an announcement about Doctor Who. Really, an announcement from the BBC that they will be announcing a new companion is "embarrassing" and "cringe" worthy? The announcement of Capaldi as the new Doctor, when that was done, was "damaging" to Doctor Who?
Color me mystified, cause I didn't feel or hear any of that negativity from my own Doctor Who friends and I didn't think that the Capaldi announcement was "damaging" to Doctor Who. I was excited when I heard it. (Though, heaven knows, there's plenty of negativity on the internet in various places.)
As far as the companion, you can't tell much from a short snippet, but I liked what I saw, so far. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens in the next season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 4:03:45 GMT
It's too early to judge Pearl's acting from that clip, but she seems to be spouting the same sardonic comedy lines that were given to Amy and Clara. (Pouts. Eyebrow raised. "Why do they say exterminate? Why can't they just say kill, it'd be quicker?") I think it's a defense mechanism for Bill. She's clearly afraid that entire scene and instead of dread silence she's trying to inject something so she feels safer around the Daleks. It's a perfectly human thing. Amy and Clara were overwhelmingly brave when they said those type of lines. Pearl's entire performance here suggests a young woman scared out of her wits with someone she doesn't know well enough to fully trust. That's a good way of looking at the scene, and I can see what you are saying. If that turns out to be a trait for Bill, then great. If she just churns out the wise-cracks in exactly the same way as the previous two companions did, then that will irritate.
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Post by fingersmash on Apr 25, 2016 4:15:30 GMT
I think it's a defense mechanism for Bill. She's clearly afraid that entire scene and instead of dread silence she's trying to inject something so she feels safer around the Daleks. It's a perfectly human thing. Amy and Clara were overwhelmingly brave when they said those type of lines. Pearl's entire performance here suggests a young woman scared out of her wits with someone she doesn't know well enough to fully trust. That's a good way of looking at the scene, and I can see what you are saying. If that turns out to be a trait for Bill, then great. If she just churns out the wise-cracks in exactly the same way as the previous two companions did, then that will irritate. I think it's all in the way its played. A different actress might have made the lines more wisecracky. It is the performance not the line.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 15:38:25 GMT
That's a good way of looking at the scene, and I can see what you are saying. If that turns out to be a trait for Bill, then great. If she just churns out the wise-cracks in exactly the same way as the previous two companions did, then that will irritate. I think it's all in the way its played. A different actress might have made the lines more wisecracky. It is the performance not the line. It certainly is. And I really hope Bill wins me over. I should point out that I'm probably not the pursued demographic for the show, and haven't been for some time! Pearl seems lovely in real life, and I wish her well.
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 30, 2016 18:14:00 GMT
I would love a four-to-five year break from the Daleks like the ones after Evil and Genesis, or even a return to the JNT quota of one-Dalek-story-per-Doctor. But I doubt that would happen. Daleks are too merchandisable and too recognisable by non-fans to throw them away as a go-to icon for the show. I'd just rather they not waste a whole episode every year on them. Something like The Pandorica Opens where they appear in passing would be better, if we haaave to have them show up once a year. Hence why the companion is, surprise surprise, yet another mid-twenties British girl from modern Earth. Eleven years on, DW is still following the Rose model. Wouldn't that be the Dodo model?
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Post by elgranto on Apr 30, 2016 21:10:57 GMT
Hence why the companion is, surprise surprise, yet another mid-twenties British girl from modern Earth. Eleven years on, DW is still following the Rose model. Wouldn't that be the Dodo model? True, but even the Dodo model was broken up by exceptions here and there: Jamie, Victoria, Zoe, Leela, K-9, Romana, Adric, Nyssa... The longest stretches of "mid-twenties British girls from modern Earth" the old show had at a time were Liz to Sarah-Jane (7) and from Tegan to Ace (9). Unless Bill is not from the present-day, which I think is unlikely, we'll be going on 11 years with no sign of stopping.
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 30, 2016 23:56:33 GMT
Wouldn't that be the Dodo model? True, but even the Dodo model was broken up by exceptions here and there: Jamie, Victoria, Zoe, Leela, K-9, Romana, Adric, Nyssa... The longest stretches of "mid-twenties British girls from modern Earth" the old show had at a time were Liz to Sarah-Jane (7) and from Tegan to Ace (9). Unless Bill is not from the present-day, which I think is unlikely, we'll be going on 11 years with no sign of stopping. Its been broken up in the new series though. Adam, Mickey, Jack, Donna, Rory, and River are all exceptions to this.
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Post by elgranto on May 1, 2016 1:08:23 GMT
True, but even the Dodo model was broken up by exceptions here and there: Jamie, Victoria, Zoe, Leela, K-9, Romana, Adric, Nyssa... The longest stretches of "mid-twenties British girls from modern Earth" the old show had at a time were Liz to Sarah-Jane (7) and from Tegan to Ace (9). Unless Bill is not from the present-day, which I think is unlikely, we'll be going on 11 years with no sign of stopping. Its been broken up in the new series though. Adam, Mickey, Jack, Donna, Rory, and River are all exceptions to this. They are, though with the exception of Donna (who I forgot was in her thirties) all of the others are ancillary to the primary companions. That is, there's always a young ish modern British girl traveling with the Doctor at any one time and any other companion is intermittent or secondary: Adam, Mickey and Jack were with Rose, and Rory and River were with Amy. Your point still stands, I just wish we had someone more off the wall as a primary companion.
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Post by MayoTango131 on May 17, 2016 0:02:03 GMT
I'm the only one who thinks she comes from the eighties, judging by their clothing style, denim jacket, the word "Wicked" that use the actress by describing his character, his shoes and, above all, Prince's shirt. She does not feel out of place if one imagine her as the background character in Karate Kid or Back to the Future movies. And see these other videos, please. She's so adorable and has a real and instant chemistry with Capaldi, much higher than the artificially fake Clara. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGE7mi6nApEwww.youtube.com/watch?v=rlB_xTG_wzIwww.youtube.com/watch?v=WDwuyimXZtM
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Post by MayoTango131 on May 17, 2016 0:20:31 GMT
I would love a four-to-five year break from the Daleks like the ones after Evil and Genesis, or even a return to the JNT quota of one-Dalek-story-per-Doctor. But I doubt that would happen. Daleks are too merchandisable and too recognisable by non-fans to throw them away as a go-to icon for the show. I'd just rather they not waste a whole episode every year on them. Something like The Pandorica Opens where they appear in passing would be better, if we haaave to have them show up once a year. It bothers me how DW is becoming more and more of a brand for commercial interests than it is a medium for good storytelling. The fact that the Daleks have appeared every year since the revival tells me that the Cardiff team is more intent on merchandising than they are with using the Daleks effectively in the episodes they're featured in. It's all part of that sad logic in marketing where if something works you keep churning it out, with little to no alteration, until people get sick of it. No, both are very wrong. (Remember that RTD had another alternative script for "Dalek" that would use the Toclafane, if the Nation Estate refused to give them the rights of use of the Daleks) It is due to the Nation estate, holders of the rights for the Daleks, which forces the BBC Wales to show at least one Dalek per season/series, or if no, they cancel the contract and the famous monsters never never appear again on the screen and, I believe, that all the Daleks episodes that appear in the new series will be deleted or censored unless they pay royalties to the Nation Estate.
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