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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 23, 2016 22:23:28 GMT
Today marked the 41st anniversary of William Hartnells death.
And, the new companion is named Bill.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 23, 2016 22:26:41 GMT
Today marked the 41st anniversary of William Hartnells death. And, the new companion is named Bill. Ha. Good catch. There is no bigger fan of the show's history than Steven Moffat. |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 23, 2016 22:31:21 GMT
Today marked the 41st anniversary of William Hartnells death. And, the new companion is named Bill. Ha. Good catch. There is no bigger fan of the show's history than Steven Moffat. Moffats been destroying it. |
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 23, 2016 23:05:08 GMT
Ha. Good catch. There is no bigger fan of the show's history than Steven Moffat. Moffats been destroying it. That completely expected & tiresome response is certainly one person's point of view. |
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 23, 2016 23:10:35 GMT
Its many persons point of view.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 23:17:07 GMT
Guys, this is Paul's pattern. Just ignore him - and let the moment of excitment and discussion be.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 23:18:37 GMT
Or the same tedious blowhards over and over.
I doubt she's named after Hartnell since he was notoriously racist but I guess the joke could be on him, if you want to read it as that.
Nice to see some people as closed-minded as ever in fandom after her reveal, seen some horrid things all over the net.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 23, 2016 23:19:21 GMT
Its many persons point of view. It is a minority point of view I will give you that but clearly after 5 years at the helm a lot more people think what Moffat has done with the show is just fine. The knee jerk reaction to hate everything that man produces is boring, tiresome and a waste of time. I don't know why people like you bother to continue watching. Bye bye Paul. Enjoy series 10. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2016 23:26:59 GMT
Guys, just don't engage. It isn't worth it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 1:05:54 GMT
Is anyone else getting an ADHD vibe off Bill?
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Post by constonks on Apr 24, 2016 1:50:29 GMT
Mmm. Seems pretty generic and typical so far. It's nice that she's not another white girl, but otherwise, she sure SEEMS like another English 18-to-30 female human from the modern day. But we'll see. I would like if at least one of those assumptions was wrong, and love if two of them were.
In any case, she's acting well enough and keeping up with Capaldi, so I'm prepared to like her, just not 100% sold yet. Roll on 2017.
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Post by shutupbanks on Apr 24, 2016 2:39:19 GMT
Its many persons point of view. It is a minority point of view I will give you that but clearly after 5 years at the helm a lot more people think what Moffat has done with the show is just fine. The knee jerk reaction to hate everything that man produces is boring, tiresome and a waste of time. I don't know why people like you bother to continue watching. Bye bye Paul. Enjoy series 10. It's a point of view that people have been expressing in fandom since Phillip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes "ruined" Doctor Who with their work on The Deadly Assassin. Slagging off the producer has been a bloodsport in fandom since then. I for one hate it: it reached its absolute nadir during Colin Baker's run on the show into Sylvester McCoy's when it was patently obvious that JNT was running a sinking ship and was trying as hard as he could to keep a show running and popular while it was being targeted by management. I'm in no way suggesting that we shouldn't criticise a programme for having faults but some people can't see past their own noses that a producer will never actively ruin a show, not unless they wish to commit career suicide. Stephen Moffat clearly does not hate the show but, as producer, he has to keep it fresh and relevant. I don't like some of the decisions he makes (the Doctor's bombast, "I don't like soldiers"), I didn't like some of the decisions that Russell T. Davies made (the romance, Sonic wand). Guess what? I'm still watching because there's enough of what I love left to keep it interesting for me. When there are more things that I dislike than things I like, that's when I'll stop watching. I'm not going to take decisions made about a show to keep it interesting personally. Sorry for hijacking the thread and having a rant. Can't wait for Series 10/ 36. Bill looks like fun, and I'll be interested to see what she brings to the show. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 3:11:41 GMT
Is anyone else getting an ADHD vibe off Bill? Sorta, but I'm not sure if we can base any character off of this short - could be as simple as "we've only got 120 seconds in the half time of the football - just fit in as much as we can". I'm more upset that the hoody is gone and Capaldi's hair is shorter  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 5:45:49 GMT
Is anyone else getting an ADHD vibe off Bill? Sorta, but I'm not sure if we can base any character off of this short - could be as simple as "we've only got 120 seconds in the half time of the football - just fit in as much as we can". I'm more upset that the hoody is gone and Capaldi's hair is shorter He's probably spent enough time being sad in it  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 5:45:58 GMT
I'm more upset that the hoody is gone and Capaldi's hair is shorter I actually rather like it, I think it makes him look rather dignified. Aristocratic, almost. I like a Doctor who looks as though he knows high culture. I'm not a fan of the Moffatesque gibbering banter, but between Twelve and Bill... It actually works here. It feels like Bill's populating the silence with noise because she's absolutely terrified. I rather like that. This could be rather good.  It's a point of view that people have been expressing in fandom since Phillip Hinchcliffe and Robert Holmes "ruined" Doctor Who with their work on The Deadly Assassin. Slagging off the producer has been a bloodsport in fandom since then. I for one hate it: it reached its absolute nadir during Colin Baker's run on the show into Sylvester McCoy's when it was patently obvious that JNT was running a sinking ship and was trying as hard as he could to keep a show running and popular while it was being targeted by management. I'm in no way suggesting that we shouldn't criticise a programme for having faults but some people can't see past their own noses that a producer will never actively ruin a show, not unless they wish to commit career suicide. Stephen Moffat clearly does not hate the show but, as producer, he has to keep it fresh and relevant. I don't like some of the decisions he makes (the Doctor's bombast, "I don't like soldiers"), I didn't like some of the decisions that Russell T. Davies made (the romance, Sonic wand). Guess what? I'm still watching because there's enough of what I love left to keep it interesting for me. When there are more things that I dislike than things I like, that's when I'll stop watching. I'm not going to take decisions made about a show to keep it interesting personally. Oh, I think even before Hinchcliffe/Holmes. I'm not a fan of the man's work (the man himself seems an amiable enough chap) or his era and I'm glad to see him go, but even I feel as though nothing will be accomplished by continually grumbling about him at the first opportunity. I could go on and on about how many people I can no longer draw to watch Who because of all the plot holes and bad characterisation (the ABC News announcement on Facebook was a real eye opener on how many people were dissatisfied), but I've seen where that leads and it's not a happy place. It's criticism before creation and I'd really, really prefer that it doesn't happen here on these forums because it has the potential to spiral well out of anyone's control. What we all have to remember is that Doctor Who is a show whose entire legacy is built on the concept of change. Change for good as well as bad. If you're enjoying what you see, then you'll get to see a variety of what you do enjoy and if you don't then there's always the capacity for the programme to right itself. We're lucky to have Big Finish too; the television series is only one part of a vast and ever expanding cosmos, so it's not as if we're starved for choice on that front. There are so many ways the show can be experienced that it's ludicrous to dismiss an opinion off-hand because it doesn't agree with your own; that goes for both sides of the debate. There is never any reason for it to become personal, we are better people than that. At the end of the day, it's most important to remember to do unto others. Try to respect the person, if not the view. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 7:30:00 GMT
I loved the costumes and the acting. I'm hoping her talking was just how she acts when nervous or she could get really annoying really fast, but her face is very expressive and she was fun to watch.
Also, was this just shot yesterday or is the Prince vibe just a fortuitous coincidence?
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Post by iank on Apr 24, 2016 7:57:43 GMT
Deeply unimpressed with the fellow asserting that all classic Who female companions were somehow all the same because they were white. Almost all the female companions in the original series were radically different characters with often radically different personalities who do not get to be summed up as "white", as though that makes them all the same. That's a rather disturbing implication there, frankly, and one that borders on racist.
Changing the ethnicity does not change the fact that the new girl looks exactly the same as every other female character in the Moffat era - "sassy", over-confident and annoying.
Amy only got away with it because of Karen Gillan.
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Post by iank on Apr 24, 2016 8:01:28 GMT
Its many persons point of view. It's a 100 percent accurate point of view. No single showrunner has done more to crap over the history of the program than Steven "I ran out of ideas in 2011 but I'm still here for some reason" Moffat. |
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Post by Audio Watchdog on Apr 24, 2016 11:25:05 GMT
Deeply unimpressed with the fellow asserting that all classic Who female companions were somehow all the same because they were white. Almost all the female companions in the original series were radically different characters with often radically different personalities who do not get to be summed up as "white", as though that makes them all the same. That's a rather disturbing implication there, frankly, and one that borders on racist. Changing the ethnicity does not change the fact that the new girl looks exactly the same as every other female character in the Moffat era - "sassy", over-confident and annoying. Amy only got away with it because of Karen Gillan. You completely miss the point. People were moaning about Bill being another 20ish female companion. The list I made simply shows that the companions over the decades have been overwhelmingly 20 something females. That Bill is only one of two female companions over the last 52 years that isn't a white 20 something is something of a change and that some diversity in the TARDIS should be celebrated. |
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Post by aztec on Apr 24, 2016 12:29:06 GMT
You never know, BF might give Tom Baker that Talking Cabbage at long last... Least a talking cabbage would be different, well done Moffat you deliver yet another 20 something female cockney companion this time she's named Bill, "Bill"(wtf?) She is basically a cross between Rose Tyler & Martha Jones with a sprinkle of Donna Noble. I'm giving up on the new series till it changes hands & stick to my Big Finish Doctor Who audio for my fix. I think it's bit early to judge her character on a couple of generic lines filmed in a special teaser several weeks before filming even starts...would you judge the 10th Doctor from his two or three lines at the end of series 1? I can understand why you are annoyed that there is another young female companion (though Bill is mixed race, working class and judging from her clothes/hair, ignorance of the Daleks and the 'Back to The Future' reference...I've got a feeling she's from the 1980's...maybe a troubled teenage like Ace, not a love interest like Rose or Impossible girl like Clara, just an ordinary girl which in itself is a very welcome change from all the larger than life companions of late) but look at it from a marketing point of view, as shallow as it is Capaldi's older Doctor DID put off many younger viewers at first, and as he is a more mysterious abrasive Doctor you need a down to earth relatble companion to act as the audience surrogate-most of the target audience for New Who are young viewers or families and wouldn't have necessarily seen the Classic series (whilst the Classic series had much more diverse companions, I'd personally argue by and large they were mostly pretty generic), they are used to younger female companions, an older companion wouldn't necessarily bounce off/act as big enough contrast to Capaldi's Doctor (and it could put off younger viewers) and a male would probably attract complaints that the show was being sexist (or risk the Doctor being sidelined as the 'Action Hero'), Moffat doesn't have unlimited influence and didn't even expect to still be working on the show for series 10, so whilst it is a tad annoying it's a young female companion again...if it ain't broke don't fix it. I find it very doubtful myself Chibnall will stray that far from the template. I'd like a male companion at some point, but I think they tend to work better when they have a female co-companion to work with. I gave up on New Who mid way through series 6, Capaldi's casting brought me back I'm enjoying the show at the moment more than I have at any point since it came back, but each to their own... |
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