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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 0:52:25 GMT
Oh, hell. And I'd really hoped that Capaldi was staying on for a new series too. I don't think we should take this as definitive proof Capaldi is leaving, but time will tell That's certainly very true. I'm a little bit baffled by the article's statement that the companion will take centre stage this year and that this is a big change. Since when? I don't think you could make Clara a more central figure, if you tried sitting her atop a throne with a legion of courtiers bowing down before her (best of luck to Coleman as Queen Victoria) and the series was pretty much all about Amy Pond by the time of Matt Smith's second year. It sounds a little bit like journalistic bravado to me, like how Series 6 was meant to be the darkest series ever, which when you consider stories like Midnight, The Satan Pit (or even classic series stories like Revelation of the Daleks with the mutated head of Arthur Stengos begging his daughter to gun him down), that's a really hard sell. I did a little digging and found this quote from Paul Mackie in the Business International Times of all places: Apparently, Capaldi told the Radio Times:
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Post by Ela on Apr 27, 2016 4:17:37 GMT
How did Paul Cornell's Human Nature inspire RTD to launch the New Series? I don't believe I have heard that before. Back in the day when the programme was first coming back, the BBC used to have about a dozen or half a dozen ebooks online in PDF format for people who wanted to read up on the Classic Series. Amongst stories like Nightshade, Lungbarrow, The Sands of Time and others, was an illustrated copy of Human Nature with the subtitle: "Read the novel that inspired the modern series!" The PDF went into more detail on the website, through an author's commentary or maybe a forward from Russell T. Davies I think. It's difficult to find a link to them beyond an archived version on the Wayback Machine. I've seen a copy of Human Nature with illustrations, but didn't know that's where it came from. Loved the illustrations.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 7:37:56 GMT
Back in the day when the programme was first coming back, the BBC used to have about a dozen or half a dozen ebooks online in PDF format for people who wanted to read up on the Classic Series. Amongst stories like Nightshade, Lungbarrow, The Sands of Time and others, was an illustrated copy of Human Nature with the subtitle: "Read the novel that inspired the modern series!" The PDF went into more detail on the website, through an author's commentary or maybe a forward from Russell T. Davies I think. It's difficult to find a link to them beyond an archived version on the Wayback Machine. I've seen a copy of Human Nature with illustrations, but didn't know that's where it came from. Loved the illustrations. By Daryl Joyce, here's his website. www.daryljoyce.co.uk/
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Post by paulmorris7777 on Apr 27, 2016 10:46:29 GMT
Polly was probably the first 20ish woman. Susan was an alien, Barabara an experienced teacher so probably in her 30s, Vicki and Dodo both teenagers and Sara also in her 30s. Liz had a doctorate (or two?) and was established and published in her field, so again in her 30s. Sarah wasn't an inexperienced journalist, in fact she was established and experienced enough for her editor to allow her to go off and do investigative journalism. Leela was probably in her 20s. Romana an alien. Nyssa was probably as old as Sarah Sutton was. Tegan, Peri and Mel were in their 20s. Ace was heavens only knows, supposedly a teenager. So out on the 34, I'd say 10 or so we're women in their 20s - Polly, Sarah-Jane, Leela, Tegsn, Peri, Mel, Jo, Rose, Martha, Clara and Amy. Not sure what your point was as you haven't quoted anyone else, but surely interesting that, EVERY companion from NuWho, bar ONE were in their early 20's! You can add Mickey to the list, too. I'd much prefer the actor to play their own age. There are obvious reasons for an older actor to play a younger age, but still.
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Post by mrperson on Apr 27, 2016 14:58:06 GMT
He says it as if it's not what he had already been doing...
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Post by icecreamdf on Apr 27, 2016 15:36:35 GMT
Clara wasn't really central in the last season. She was important in Fave the Raven and Hell Bent, but otherwise she pretty much just played the normal companion role. She was barely even in The Woman Who Lived, The Zygon Invasion/Inversion, and Heaven Sent.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on May 11, 2016 15:27:45 GMT
There is an interesting paragraph in the new Private Eye, (camera not working) suggesting some skullduggery with the betting on the new companion. A flurry of bets took place the day before the announcement. Betfair had 37 names. Mackie's not among them, became a 4/6f. This also happened to Capaldi, but no BBC investigation.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on May 11, 2016 19:49:41 GMT
Clara wasn't really central in the last season. She was important in Fave the Raven and Hell Bent, but otherwise she pretty much just played the normal companion role. She was barely even in The Woman Who Lived, The Zygon Invasion/Inversion, and Heaven Sent. Clara was the series.
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Post by icecreamdf on May 11, 2016 20:47:01 GMT
Clara wasn't really central in the last season. She was important in Fave the Raven and Hell Bent, but otherwise she pretty much just played the normal companion role. She was barely even in The Woman Who Lived, The Zygon Invasion/Inversion, and Heaven Sent. Clara was the series. Do you want to back that up, or are you just going to leave it at that. If you want, I'll go through. Let's see: The Magician's Apprentice/The Witch's Familiar-Clara helped out UNIT for a few minutes, before hanging out with Missy for most of the two parter. Maybe helping out UNIT is a bit more involved than most companions get, but she's not really the only companion that's done that. Under The Lake/Before the Flood-Clara hung out with the crew of the sea base, and didn't do anything that other companions wouldn't do. The Girl Who Died-Clara took charge when Odin kidnapped her and the Vikings, and she talked the Doctor into helping the Vikings. Nothing really special as far as companions go. The Woman Who Lived-Clara was barely even in the episode. The Zygon Invasion/Inversion-In the tradition of companions, Clara was kidnapped pretty early on in the episode. She showed up a bit in the second half and tried to keep Bonnie out of her head. This is what any companion would do in that situation. Sleep No More-The episode sucked, and I can't really remember what happened. I don't think Clara did anything special in it, but I could be wrong. Face the Raven-This one was very much a Clara-centric episode. Heaven Sent-Clara spent most of the episode dead, and got a single line of dialogue. Hell Bent-Clara was important in this one, although the focus was more on the lengths the Doctor will go to save his companions than it was about Clara specifically.
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Post by Audio Watchdog on May 12, 2016 2:45:07 GMT
I would agree with icecreamdf's assessment. Series 9 was much more about the 12th Doctor. In fact I think you could make the case that this was easily one of the most Doctor-centric run of episodes since the return of the series. I feel like Moffat said goodbye to Clara in the 2014 Christmas episode and with her choosing to remain he never really figured out a way to truly incorporate her into the series. To me it is the biggest glaring weakness of a otherwise strong season.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 6:34:21 GMT
I would agree with icecreamdf's assessment. Series 9 was much more about the 12th Doctor. In fact I think you could make the case that this was easily one of the most Doctor-centric run of episodes since the return of the series. I feel like Moffat said goodbye to Clara in the 2014 Christmas episode and with her choosing to remain he never really figured out a way to truly incorporate her into the series. To me it is the biggest glaring weakness of a otherwise strong season. Same feelings here, albeit for different reasons. Clara was the centre of the show for her first year and a half with her "Impossible Girl" arc and the attempted Danny Pink romance that overshadowed the "Am I a good man?" arc for the Doctor, but that gave way somewhat during Series 9. The opening two-parter has her squarely in a role that wouldn't have been out of place for Peri or Jo and it was only really The Zygon Inversion and Hell Bent where she returned to feeling as though her character had gone back to infallible Mary Sue territory. The latest series has its own issues sure, but Clara was probably the least problematic aspect of that. What bothered me was that the Doctor and Clara were both written as very, very flat (even echoing the immediately preceeding Doctor in Capaldi's case) and that struck me as writer fatigue. No one really knew how to write Clara in the first place barring her characterisations in Hide and Deep Breath, which both suited Coleman quite well. She was quite a lot like Sam Jones in the EDAs, she was there to be someone the Doctor could gab at if he needed to. Me personally, I thought that they were going to incorporate her slightly bored, disconnected demeanor into her personality by saying that she had trouble engaging with anyone after her mother died, but that never turned up. I still love the missed opportunity of Bonnie in The Zygon Inversion being the actual Clara as a sort of female Kerr Avon who is aboard the TARDIS serving her own interests and so the Doctor can keep an eye on her. It would have made more sense for Missy's plan too as she could have appealed to Clara's own selfishness to win her over. As she stands though, there isn't much to say about Clara. She's Dodo Chaplet or TV!Mel, she's the stand-in companion. She's there because we expect someone to be with the Doctor, which is again a shame really because a solo Twelfth Doctor could really have amped up the unpredictability of his character because he has no one to protect or defend. It would be like the First Doctor travelling solo, it's something we've never really seen before.
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 12, 2016 12:32:25 GMT
I really want to see Bill in the DWM comics now, but i know we have to wait until the Christmas special at least lol
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Post by MayoTango131 on May 16, 2016 23:55:15 GMT
I'm the only one who thinks she comes from the eighties, judging by their clothing style, denim jacket, the word "Wicked" that use the actress by describing his character, his shoes and, above all, Prince's shirt. She does not feel out of place if one imagine her as the background character in Karate Kid or Back to the Future movies. And see these other videos, please. She's so adorable and has a real and instant chemistry with Capaldi, much higher than the artificially fake Clara. www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGE7mi6nApEwww.youtube.com/watch?v=rlB_xTG_wzIwww.youtube.com/watch?v=WDwuyimXZtM
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Post by whiskeybrewer on May 18, 2016 10:43:06 GMT
I do think she's from the 80's as well. I think it would be a nice change of pace for the Modern Version of the show
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Post by bobod on May 18, 2016 10:51:44 GMT
Why do people think she's from the 80s? If that sounds sarcastic, it's not meant to.
The line about 'back to the future - 2017' (or whatever it is) just reads to me as a meta line about how she's not 'here' yet, we've got to wait for her. It's a teaser line.
And people wear retro t-shirts, I don't think that really suggests it either.
She might be from the 80s, but it seems a bit like people are adding 1.5 and 1.75 together to get 4.
We'll see, I suppose.
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Post by icecreamdf on May 18, 2016 21:38:08 GMT
Yeah, I just interpreted the line to mean that they were currently in the past, and needed to go back to the future. Just like a lot of the time in Back to the Future, especially the third one, Marty and Doc Brown say that line when they mean that they need to get back from the past to the present.
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Post by paulmorris7777 on May 18, 2016 22:57:14 GMT
All it means is the Daleks are in the past.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 19, 2016 13:07:20 GMT
All it means is the Daleks are in the past. I hope not. It would be much more interesting if she were from the 80s.
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Post by icecreamdf on May 19, 2016 15:56:08 GMT
All it means is the Daleks are in the past. I hope not. It would be much more interesting if she were from the 80s. I dunno. Ace is really the only companion from the 80s who was at all interesting.
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Post by dalekbuster523finish on May 19, 2016 17:47:25 GMT
I hope not. It would be much more interesting if she were from the 80s. I dunno. Ace is really the only companion from the 80s who was at all interesting. I mean more from a 21st Century point of view, because we haven't had a companion from the past yet in the new series and it's not so far into the past that it would affect Bill as an audience identifcation figure.
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